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# patterns in the lottery games

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Learn to play roulette, it will open your eyes.

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@ jking...

thanks for the constructive comments...nice that somebody is seeing the glass as half full...

btw i like your avatar...i am looking at it... i am watching it spin...i am, i am, getting sleepy....

@serge

i will try roulette next time at the video casino...

i did read a book about roulette...granted there were not many words in it...written by a Las Vegas Croupier.

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@ blue duck

your number tree is pretty and all, but there are no legends or labels...

what differntiates the numbers on the left from the numbers on the right?

there is a nice swath of bold numbers in the middle...but why are these significant...

a more scientific analysis...maybe a table would be more efficient to read and understand...

Lottoguru\$!624,

Number Tree made in two steps. First step was to make a HITS CHART using 30 past MM Winning Numbers from 11-11-2011 to 2-21-2012, same way as described on page 31 of LMG.

Second step was to make a Number Tree Chart: HITS on X-axis vs. MM numbers making up body of the chart.

....................................

11,14,44, have zero hits from 11-11-2011 to 2-21-2012

3,4 have seven hits from 11-11-2011 to 2-21-2012.

Why did I circle the numbers in the center? I plotted the winning numbers for 2-24-2012 (1-16-18-25-27) and hope this will be an indication of a few future draws applying the theory of "Central Tendency".

Numbers 39 and 51 printed in bold by mistake.

BlueDuck

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Combinations can repeat, and do repeat.
It happened.

Sure if you're talking about a pick3 or pick4 game which only has a 1000 or 10000 combinations and even less box combinations but I was thinking  the question was about jackpot games with millions of possible combinations.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning one *

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in that respect yes...a super mega jackpot game usually does not have a 6 of 6 repeat...

but in mini jackpot games like a 5/39 it happens....

the best i can see from my 6/59 games is that five numbers have repeatd three times...surely it goes against your signature statement...that which happen most is bound to repeat or something like that.(i cant see it in the post reply area!!)

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I think that there have been two lotteries doing a 6/6 repeat in the last two years or so.
One was in Bulgaria I think.

So far nobody here defined the word "pattern".

As for change, of course there is change and repeat, what did you expect?

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I think that there have been two lotteries doing a 6/6 repeat in the last two years or so.
One was in Bulgaria I think.

So far nobody here defined the word "pattern".

As for change, of course there is change and repeat, what did you expect?

There has also be a bunch of 6/6 repeats in the West Virgina Cash25 game(6/25) but it only have 177,100 possible combinations and its top prize is \$25K not the millions associated with games like PB and MM.

I assumed "pattern" was any description of the distribution of numbers in a combination such "3 even,3 odd","2 low, 4 high", " abccde" describing the range or position of numbers in a combination or some other notations that followed rules to describe the combinations.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning one *

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Yes, hi-lo, even-odd and any other 50% distribution.
Those who don't know math have a mouth full of 3-3 or 2-4.

I know that sentence, sounds like Gail Howard.
There are many mistakes in the Lottery Masterguide.

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Patterns do exist in the Pick 3/4 games, but trying to nail them at the right time is where the problem lies. Just when one thinks that a particular pattern either will or won't return, it does just the opposite. Sometimes it causes a player to win but, most of the time it causes a loss due the situation being taken for granted. Remember the other thread here regarding the possibilites of pre-draws affecting a player's approach? This is the culprit...trust me.

See, pre-draws are described as methods of establishing complete fairness within the game as well as validating that the machine is functioning properly. Well, that may be so but, it also directly and tremendously affects the last official draw which is posted as the winning number. Why? Because before every official draw, those balls or RNG's have been tumbled or generated about five (5) times! This renders the last official draw, in terms of a pattern or anything else, completely null and void because it can come right back in full or partial form. As players we look for the possibility of what we think either can't or won't happen in a draw but, you must respect the pre-draws because they make provisions for it to happen over and over and over......

In my opinion, the best thing to do is to play a group of set patterns over a period of time...save your bank roll to implement this. Run the same patterns over and over until it hits...and hope it happens before the bank roll is depleted. More than likely, it will hit because the patterns must absolutely be drawn at some point. The idea is to provide yourself with enough opportunities to, at minimum, recover your monies. This is the first order of business, okay. If you can recover your money then you're not losing, but you must have enough chances to accomplish this as well. A reasonable amount of money spread out over a period of time (opportunities) will allow you to both recover and make money.

For instance, let's say a player has \$300 to work with. They can play a set pattern of numbers (10) times in a row at \$30, a (6) times at \$50, (3) times at \$100, (60) times at \$5, and it goes on. The idea is to remain consistent and allow the draw to match your pattern before your funds are exhausted. Believe me, it happens every day as I know people who currently do it since I've showed them how to actually spend their money. So many people don't know how to spend their money on this game. Letting the numbers match yours over a short time is the key. Changing a group of numbers every day will more than likey cause a loss before a win. True consistency is playing the same thing until it finally hit.

Sure, it costs money to do this. But, in this game, it costs money to both MAKE and NOT LOSE money. How well you spend it will determine your outcome every time. Opportunity is KING and Recovery keeps you in the GREEN.

L.L.

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To Lucky Loser

I hate to repeat this all the time, but if you play Pick 3, you have a bad payout!

To be sure to get the jp you need to play 1000 combinations and you get 500 USD for winning.
You lost 500. So, if you want to win at least 100 USD you can play maximum 400 combinations of 1000.
In order to double you would have to play 1/4 of 1000 possible combinations.

If you bet on one number at roulette with 1 USD and you win, you have 36 USD.
Bet again and win, playing 36 USD you will have 1296 USD if you don't tip.
p = 1/37*1/37 = 1/1369

Roulette pays 1296, pick 3 pays 499.

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To Lucky Loser

I hate to repeat this all the time, but if you play Pick 3, you have a bad payout!

To be sure to get the jp you need to play 1000 combinations and you get 500 USD for winning.
You lost 500. So, if you want to win at least 100 USD you can play maximum 400 combinations of 1000.
In order to double you would have to play 1/4 of 1000 possible combinations.

If you bet on one number at roulette with 1 USD and you win, you have 36 USD.
Bet again and win, playing 36 USD you will have 1296 USD if you don't tip.
p = 1/37*1/37 = 1/1369

Roulette pays 1296, pick 3 pays 499.

I understand what you're saying above and beyond...and have always said that the state payouts are terrible. In fact, I just mentioned it, again, in one of my latest posts. It will take much longer to hit (1) number with \$1 on Roulette than if a person was to go in with \$100 and spend it on (5) numbers at a time for (20) spins. Group the numbers together and that chance is increased dramatically. Total opportunities involved in relation to the money, and, how well the money is spent (applied) is the key.

In Pick 3, a small batch of carefully arranged numbers played over a period of time, at an opportune time, will produce very reasonable results. Patterns must absolutely be drawn at some point. A player doesn't have to play every single draw...only during the time conditions are most favorable and this will also allow the bank roll to last longer while possibly being more effective. I don't care what game is being played, OPPORTUNITY along with MONEY, and TIMING is the real system of approach here. The numbers are just a formality, otherwise people would simply win every time and all the time.

They can run all the pre-draws they want, but if a player is remaining consistent with a reasonable set pattern of numbers, they will hit and make some money. How long it takes for that pattern to hit is what dicatates the profit because of how much of the reserve was actually spent. Make sense? Same thing in Roulette. It pays better and it also still requires opportunities to win (hit). Opportunities still require MONEY.

L.L.

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Lucky Loser:

Thanks for thought out information about pre-draws. Can you explain this a little more: "because it can come right back in full or partial form" ? What can come "right back in full or partial form"? The pattern?   Would think a pre-draw(s) would brake up a pattern making it unrecognizable (for a long time in Pick 5/31 and pick 6/49 games).

Thanks for further explanation,

BlueDuck

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I believe that there is good information about using lottery patterns in RSTech.us

I have try to study and follow lottery patterns for a while, and had few favorable results, but it is so time consuming.

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what is RST TECH?

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