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Do some number combinations have better odds?

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Posted: November 23, 2012, 11:27 am - IP Logged

Sounds like your group have been lucky so far and haven't won a large sum of money.  It's when these lottery groups win enough to argue over and individuals start looking out for themselves that reality takes over.

Good luck!!

The other day someone was complaining the Ohio Pick-5 120-way $1 box didn't pay enough so I tried to explain why that box bet is the same as playing 1/120 of $1 on 120 straight combos. After I was told my math was wrong and that 5% of 50,000 is 5000, I knew I wasted my time, again.

The same math applies to group play because the percentage of each member's win is determined by the size of the group. If 50 players all contribute $5 and the group wins $100 that's only $2 each and less than they contributed.

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    The other day someone was complaining the Ohio Pick-5 120-way $1 box didn't pay enough so I tried to explain why that box bet is the same as playing 1/120 of $1 on 120 straight combos. After I was told my math was wrong and that 5% of 50,000 is 5000, I knew I wasted my time, again.

    The same math applies to group play because the percentage of each member's win is determined by the size of the group. If 50 players all contribute $5 and the group wins $100 that's only $2 each and less than they contributed.

    Lotto math is confusing. Ohio's New Year raffle is advertised as having the best odds of winning a million dollars.

    For $20, you get one of 500,000 raffle tickets which makes the odds of winning a million dollars 1:500,000

    For $20, you could buy 10 MegaMillions tickets with the multiplier and have odds of 1:390,470 to match 5/5 + 0/46 which also pays one million dollars.

    They appearantly assume players can't figure odds.

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      Set of 18 for MM. Fri. Nov. 23, 2012.

      05 06 09 12 13 18 22 24 26 29 31 33 35 38 46 52 53 56 

      0 for 5 on this draw....  Lets hope for 5 of 5 next draw to make up for missing them all...

      Friday, November 23, 2012       08 · 37 · 44 · 47 · 48    27      4$41 Million


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        Set of 18 eliminations for MM. Fri. Nov. 23, 2012.

        02 04 14 16 26 28 31 32 36 39 40 43 46 47 49 51 53 56

        Eliminations hit one number again........

        Friday, November 23, 201208 · 37 · 44 · 47 · 48    27          4$41 Million
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          Do some number combinations have better odds?

          Someone needs to create a program to analize all past draws of a game to sort out all possible combination possibilities.

          WHATT


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            My idea was to analyze 39 equal groups for starters and I divided up the groups, but never did any analysis.

            #1.                                            #2  97945                               #3  195889                              #4  293833

            01-02-03-04-05                      01-06-13-25-52                  01-12-17-32-56                      01-22-38-48-54   

            01-06-13-25-51                      01-12-17-32-55                  01-22-38-48-53                      02-05-10-26-41

             

             

             

            #5  391777                                #6  489721                           #7  587665                             #8  685609

            02-05-10-26-42                        02-10-26-30-41                   02-19-28-31-36                    03-05-11-27-30

            02-10-26-30-40                        02-19-28-31-35                   03-05-11-27-29                    03-10-28-41-43

             

             

             

            #9  783553                                #10  881497                          #11  979441                            #12  1077385

            03-10-28-41-44                       03-19-31-32-43                    04-06-15-26-36                      04-12-20-22-37

            03-19-31-32-42                       04-06-15-26-35                    04-12-20-22-36                      04-23-25-41-48

             

             

             

            #13  1175329                         #14  1273273                        #15  1371217                          #16  1469161

            04-23-25-41-49                     05-08-30-31-53                    05-16-19-28-55                      05-41-44-51-56

            05-08-30-31-52                     05-16-19-28-54                    05-41-44-51-55                     06-13-16-20-24

             

             

             

            #17  1567105                        #18  1665049                       #19  1762993                        #20  1860937

            06-13-16-20-25                    06-24-49-51-54                    07-11-38-40-48                    07-22-23-38-46

            06-24-49-51-53                    07-11-38-40-47                    07-22-23-38-45                    08-12-13-23-44

             

             

             

            #21  1958881                        #22  2056825                        #23  2154769                        #24  2252713

            08-12-13-23-45                    08-22-26-34-36                    09-13-20-23-26                     09-25-34-38-50

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            #25 2350657                         #26  2448601                         #27  2546545                       #28  2644489

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            #33  3134209                        #34  3232153                        #35  3330097                        #36  3428041

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              Posted: November 24, 2012, 10:40 am - IP Logged

              I done some tinkering in the past using my pick 3 and 4 software as that is only what I had available. I just printed 21 past draws and loaded the first four sorted positions to find some stats for what decade each sorted position drew.

              What is really needed is a software that will do all 5 white ball positions.

              Wed, Nov 21, 201208-18-24-30-39, Powerball: 26Prize Payouts
              Sat, Nov 17, 201203-15-27-58-59, Powerball: 20Prize Payouts
              Wed, Nov 14, 201208-10-30-44-58, Powerball: 13Prize Payouts
              Sat, Nov 10, 201232-42-50-54-55, Powerball: 32Prize Payouts
              Wed, Nov 7, 201232-34-45-52-58, Powerball: 20Prize Payouts
              Sat, Nov 3, 201204-07-09-30-54, Powerball: 25Prize Payouts
              Wed, Oct 31, 201201-27-31-45-48, Powerball: 05Prize Payouts
              Sat, Oct 27, 201222-32-34-36-56, Powerball: 33Prize Payouts
              Wed, Oct 24, 201203-18-21-23-50, Powerball: 04Prize Payouts
              Sat, Oct 20, 201204-21-28-31-44, Powerball: 10Prize Payouts
              Wed, Oct 17, 201201-07-10-23-42, Powerball: 35Prize Payouts
              Sat, Oct 13, 201202-05-25-26-49, Powerball: 18Prize Payouts
              Wed, Oct 10, 201218-26-29-35-43, Powerball: 28Prize Payouts
              Sat, Oct 6, 201215-26-34-36-59, Powerball: 35Prize Payouts
              Wed, Oct 3, 201217-23-36-55-59, Powerball: 10Prize Payouts
              Sat, Sep 29, 201214-18-28-29-57, Powerball: 08Prize Payouts
              Wed, Sep 26, 201213-26-39-41-42, Powerball: 10Prize Payouts
              Sat, Sep 22, 201202-16-18-40-42, Powerball: 33Prize Payouts
              Wed, Sep 19, 201201-05-08-39-50, Powerball: 23Prize Payouts
              Sat, Sep 15, 201203-20-26-43-48, Powerball: 01Prize Payouts
              Wed, Sep 12, 201224-33-36-48-56, Powerball: 06Prize Payouts
              Sat, Sep 8, 201206-20-34-44-48, Powerball: 29Prize Payouts
              Wed, Sep 5, 201204-19-26-42-51, Powerball: 29Prize Payouts

               This is some quick stats on the decade for first four positions.

              Straight Combo Report for SC3 PB DECADE.DMG: All 10000 Combos       11-24-2012       22 Records

                                         Hit       Hit    Current      Skip      Most
               COMBO     Hits  Avg  Median   Skips        Avg       Out      Due
              ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              0 2 3 4       2      11.0        8          5          7.5       14     
              0 0 0 3       2      11.0        9          4          8.0       12   
              2 3 3 3       1      22.0       22          6         15.0       15       
              2 3 3 4       1      22.0       22         19          2.0       19     
              0 1 1 4       1      22.0       22         16          5.0       16       
              3 3 4 5       1      22.0       22          3         18.0       18       
              1 2 3 3       1      22.0       22         12          9.0       12       
              0 0 2 2       1      22.0       22         10         11.0       11       
              0 2 2 4       1      22.0       22         18          3.0       18   
              1 2 3 5       1      22.0       22         13          8.0       13       
              1 2 3 4       1      22.0       22         15          6.0       15       
              1 1 2 2       1      22.0       22         14          7.0       14       
              0 2 2 3       1      22.0       22          8         13.0       13       
              3 4 5 5       1      22.0       22          2         19.0       19       
              0 1 3 4       1      22.0       22          1         20.0       20       
              0 1 2 2       1      22.0       22          7         14.0       14       
              0 1 2 3       1      22.0       22          0         21.0       21       
              0 1 2 4       1      22.0       22         21           .0       21     
              0 0 1 2       1      22.0       22          9         12.0       12       
              1 2 2 3       1      22.0       22         11         10.0       11       

               


              Straight Combo Report for SC3 PB DECADE.DMG: All 10000 Combos       11-24-2012       22 Records

               COMBO                      Hit       Hit      Current    Skip      Most
               SUMMARY       Hits      Avg   Median   Skips      Avg       Out
              ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                      Quads        0                               22                     22
                      Triples        3       7.3        5          4          5.0        10
                    Doubles       12       1.8        1         2           .7         3
              CD Doubles       10       2.2        1         2          1.3         4
                   CD Pairs       17       1.3        1         0           .0         2
                 No Match        7       3.1        2         0          2.1         7
               Wild Match        0                               20                     22
                 Consec's        2      11.0       11         0         10.0        14
                2-Carried       17       1.3        1          0           .0        22
                0-Carried        0                                21                     22
                   All Even        2      11.0        6        10          5.0        10
                    All Odd        0                              22                     22
              1 Ev-3 Odd        5       4.4        3         2          3.0         8
              2 Ev-2 Odd        7       3.1        3         0          2.1         9
              3 Ev-1 Odd        8       2.8        1         4          1.3         7

              Then I have the pairs in the first four decades

              Pair Report for SC3 PB DECADE.DMG: All 55 Boxed Pairs       11-24-2012       22 Records
                                     Hit       Hit      Current     Skip    Most
               PAIR      Hits   Avg    Median  Skips       Avg     Out      Due
              ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              2 3        10       2.2        2          0          1.2        4     
              1 2         9       2.4        1          0          1.4        6     
              0 2         9       2.4        1          0          1.4        7     
              3 4         7       3.1        2          1          2.0        9   
              0 3         7       3.1        3          0          2.1        8       
              2 2         6       3.7        2          7          1.5        7
              0 4         6       3.7        2          1          2.5       10     
              0 1         6       3.7        3          0          2.7        6       
              1 3         6       3.7        1          0          2.7        9     
              2 4         6       3.7        1          5          1.8        9       
              1 4         4       5.5        3          1          4.3       13     
              0 0         4       5.5        5          4          3.5        6   
              3 3         4       5.5        4          3          3.8        6     
              3 5         3       7.3       10          2          5.7        9       
              1 1         2      11.0        4         14          3.0       14       
              4 5         2      11.0       10          2          9.0       18       
              5 5         1      22.0       22          2         19.0       19       
              2 5         1      22.0       22         13          8.0       13       
              1 5         1      22.0       22         13          8.0       13     
               
              Pair Report for SC3 PB DECADE.DMG: All 55 Boxed Pairs
              22 Records on 11-24-2012
               PAIR                    Hit       Hit      Current      Skip      Most
               SUMMARY       Hits      Avg     Median      Skips        Avg       Out
              ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                 Doubles       15       1.5        4         2          4.3        14
                No Match        7       3.1        2         0           .8         2
                Consec's       18       1.2        4         0          3.2         8

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              I can create other tracking for power ball using my pick 3 and 4 software.

              I could track last digit of the ball

              I could create individual sorted position tracking

              Plus what ever else I could think of that would work.

              WHATT

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                Posted: November 24, 2012, 12:51 pm - IP Logged

                Do some number combinations have better odds?

                Someone needs to create a program to analize all past draws of a game to sort out all possible combination possibilities.

                Everyone should know there are 5,006,636 possible combinations in a 5/59 matrix and 2149 different PB combinations have hit since 04/22/92 when this game became known as PowerBall. However the 5/59 matrix has only existed during the last 405 games which started 01/07/09.

                All that information is at USAMega for anyone who want to compile the data which I'm sure some have already.

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  JAP69's avatar - alas
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                  Posted: November 24, 2012, 2:17 pm - IP Logged

                  Everyone should know there are 5,006,636 possible combinations in a 5/59 matrix and 2149 different PB combinations have hit since 04/22/92 when this game became known as PowerBall. However the 5/59 matrix has only existed during the last 405 games which started 01/07/09.

                  All that information is at USAMega for anyone who want to compile the data which I'm sure some have already.

                  Yes you are correct on that.

                  I need to clarify what I said on "all possible combinations". What I meant by that is there are other means of narrowing down all possible combinations into groups and by sorted position possibilities.

                  The last digit of the ball number could give us combinations to focus on based on probability. There could be even odd probability. High or low digit probability. Plus other search options.

                  Nov 17 2012  08-18-24-30-39 last digit ev-ev-ev-ev-od

                  I think there are only six possibilities that can be mixed in the 5 positions.

                  all even
                  all odd
                  1 even 4 odd
                  2 even 3 odd
                  3 even 2 odd
                  4 even 1 odd

                  Break the game down into search able segments.

                  WHATT


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                    Posted: November 24, 2012, 5:52 pm - IP Logged

                    Set of 39 for PB. Sat. Nov. 24, 2012.

                    03 06 07 09 10 11 12 15 16 17 18 19 21 23 24 25 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 42 45 46 47 48 49 50 52 55 57 58 59

                    bonus ball 03


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                      Posted: November 24, 2012, 6:37 pm - IP Logged

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                        Posted: November 24, 2012, 10:09 pm - IP Logged

                        I used these 30 WB numbers and 10 PB numbers to pick 10 lines for PB drawing 11/24/12.

                        WB:01 03 07 11 14 15 16 17 18 22 23 24 26 27 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 43 44 45 48 52 54 57 58 59

                        PB:01 04 05 10 13 20 25 29 33 35

                         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                           
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                          Posted: November 25, 2012, 1:43 pm - IP Logged

                          I used these 30 WB numbers and 10 PB numbers to pick 10 lines for PB drawing 11/24/12.

                          WB:01 03 07 11 14 15 16 17 18 22 23 24 26 27 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 43 44 45 48 52 54 57 58 59

                          PB:01 04 05 10 13 20 25 29 33 35

                          The winning numbers were  22-32-37- 44-50 +34 and I only had three of them.  I'll have to do a lot better next time if I expect to win anything.  I look for a record amount of tickets to be sold, so someone will probably win this time.

                           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                             
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                            Posted: November 25, 2012, 4:48 pm - IP Logged

                            Set of 39 for PB. Sat. Nov. 24, 2012.

                            03 06 07 09 10 11 12 15 16 17 18 19 21 23 24 25 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 37 38 39 40 42 45 46 47 48 49 50 52 55 57 58 59

                            bonus ball 03

                            3 of 5 on this draw.........

                            Saturday, November 24, 201222 · 32 · 37 · 44 · 50    34                $325 Million


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                              Posted: November 25, 2012, 4:49 pm - IP Logged

                              The winning numbers were  22-32-37- 44-50 +34 and I only had three of them.  I'll have to do a lot better next time if I expect to win anything.  I look for a record amount of tickets to be sold, so someone will probably win this time.

                              Nice work though, I hope you can win on Wed.

                                 
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