Pa. man pleads guilty in bizarre lottery tax case

Sep 28, 2012, 12:45 pm (73 comments)

Pennsylvania Lottery

PITTSBURGH, Pa. — A 70-year-old Pennsylvania man faces up to a year and half in prison for having more than 40 people cash in lottery tickets worth $520,000 so he could avoid paying federal income tax on the winnings.

Sherman Friend, of McClellandtown, faces a sentence of 12 to 18 months in federal prison when he is sentenced Feb. 15 on the tax evasion charge he pleaded guilty to Friday before U.S. District Judge Arthur Schwab in Pittsburgh.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Nelson Cohen said Friend won big when he bought 208 50-cent tickets on the number 1127 for the lottery's mid-day Big 4 drawing on Dec. 17, 2009. Each ticket was worth $2,500, so Friend asked more than 20 friends who, in turn, recruited others, to cash the tickets so the tax liability couldn't be traced back to him.

In most instances, Friend paid the ticket-cashers $250, or 10 percent of each ticket's value, Cohen said.

Friend's attorney, John Cupp Jr., declined to comment about how often Friend plays the lottery or whether he was using a system to place his bets.

"I wish I knew," Cupp said.

Friend had previously won a vehicle in a fire department raffle in Maryland in 2007 and became angry when he learned he owed income tax on the vehicle, which he had given to a relative, Cohen said.

"We would submit that as evidence of his knowledge that if you won a lottery or raffle, you have to pay the tax," Cohen told the judge.

So, when Friend hit big on the lottery, he was determined to avoid the taxes.

"He went on to explain that he didn't feel he owed the taxes on these moneys," Cohen told the judge, referring to a statement Friend gave to Internal Revenue Service investigators.

In all, Friend avoided more than $132,000 in federal income taxes by failing to declare his cut of the winnings, which added up to more than $481,000 in 2009 and 2010, the two years in which he had the others cash the tickets. The lottery winnings were Friend's primary source of income in those years.

Cohen told the judge that Friend has agreed to repay the back taxes and that he may be sued by the IRS for penalties and interest, which have yet to be calculated.

AP

Comments

nanaimo

mr.friend tried his best efforts NOT to pay taxes and now he is caught he should pay the penalty and serve the law ful time in jail he has earned the jail timeSmash

RJOh's avatarRJOh

"Friend's attorney, John Cupp Jr., declined to comment about how often Friend plays the lottery or whether he was using a system to place his bets."

Sounds like they not only wanted to punish him and get the unpaid taxes, but someone wanted to get his system too.

brina5eva's avatarbrina5eva

i know right.

i probably would have tried the same thing. i have played .50 straights before of cash 4 so that i wouldn't have to pay the taxes if i won i still do. i gotta give it to give him for trying. i don't blame him ,i want all my money too. but i havent went to the extreme as 208 tickets. wow. but if he did have a system. he could have gotten away with it, he just went about it all wrong concentrating on that one number like that. he could have play ten and this number . 50 straight, a couple of days later.  ten on that number . 50 straight... and so on and just slowly cash them in with just you and probably 2 other people. he caused to much attention to himself on that number.

RJOh's avatarRJOh

Quote: Originally posted by nanaimo on Sep 28, 2012

mr.friend tried his best efforts NOT to pay taxes and now he is caught he should pay the penalty and serve the law ful time in jail he has earned the jail timeSmash

Sounds like he didn't try hard enough.  He should had set up his system as some kind of investment scheme rather than income, that way he wouldn't have had to pay any more taxes than he paid his friends to cash those tickets for him.  I'm sure he could have found some lawyers like Romney used to get his tax rate to 13% or less.

Set4life's avatarSet4life

<snip> what a win!  Tim Geithner cheated on his taxes and got a job as Sec. Of treasury lol

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helpmewin's avatarhelpmewin

Wow, i thought taxes is already taken out as soon as you Win Smiley

Wooddrive's avatarWooddrive

Wow, wish I won more than 500Grand. I'll gladly pay 25% fed tax and keep 375Grand for myself. Better than not winning. Could have sold the strategy and made more money. If there was one. Dropping $104 on one number takes some balls...

Ronnie316

Its my guess that this guy is wealthy...... remember when the IRS showed up at Willie Nelsons house??

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Wooddrive on Sep 28, 2012

Wow, wish I won more than 500Grand. I'll gladly pay 25% fed tax and keep 375Grand for myself. Better than not winning. Could have sold the strategy and made more money. If there was one. Dropping $104 on one number takes some balls...

The rate is 35% and the President wants to make it 45% after the first of the year.

Ronnie316

Yeah but thats only on the rich.............. Right????????

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Sep 28, 2012

Yeah but thats only on the rich.............. Right????????

It'll come out of your jackpot no matter if you're rich or poor.

sully16's avatarsully16

Hello Friend, said the cell mate.

Wooddrive's avatarWooddrive

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Sep 28, 2012

The rate is 35% and the President wants to make it 45% after the first of the year.

your rate is 35%, mine is 25% buddy.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Sep 28, 2012

The rate is 35% and the President wants to make it 45% after the first of the year.

The "current" president.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Wooddrive on Sep 28, 2012

your rate is 35%, mine is 25% buddy.

If you win a jackpot, you will pay 35%, pal. 

Unless you cheat on your taxes.

In which case there may be a Cabinet Position for you.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Sep 28, 2012

The "current" president.

The Good Lord willin' and the creek don't rise.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Sep 28, 2012

If you win a jackpot, you will pay 35%, pal. 

Unless you cheat on your taxes.

In which case there may be a Cabinet Position for you.

Im putting mine in a Foundation, like Bill Gates does.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Sep 28, 2012

Im putting mine in a Foundation, like Bill Gates does.

Not until you've paid the utmost farthing.

Seeking tax shelters to avoid government confiscation is now unpatriotic according to Obama and Reid.

Ask Romney.

We're supposed to be proud to give the government all they want of what's ours.

And I know you wouldn't want to be unpatriotic.

Wooddrive's avatarWooddrive

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Sep 28, 2012

If you win a jackpot, you will pay 35%, pal. 

Unless you cheat on your taxes.

In which case there may be a Cabinet Position for you.

I don't know where you get your info from. But I ain't from appalachia, pal. Don't be accusing someone without knowing the facts, pal. ...maybe I should tell you to stop smokin and drinking that appalachia mountain funny stuff... pal.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Sep 28, 2012

Not until you've paid the utmost farthing.

Seeking tax shelters to avoid government confiscation is now unpatriotic according to Obama and Reid.

Ask Romney.

We're supposed to be proud to give the government all they want of what's ours.

And I know you wouldn't want to be unpatriotic.

I would buy a book by Ridge.

qutgnt

The fact we have to pay taxes on lottery winnings and gambling winnings in this country is disgusting. We are playing a game that is taxed at upwards of 50% to begin with. This backward type of thinking is why we are 15 trillion in the hole as a country. Instead of incentivizing people to play and to churn more handle it is an absolute money grab at every turn. Let us face it.  99.9% of people lose money gambling whether it be horses, casinos, or lotteries. But the goverment knows that most people are lazy and will not keep track of winnings and losses and will pay up. Just like many lotteries have these crazy bonus areas on scratch off tickets because they know some people will just throw tickets away thinking they lost.


The smarter way to pay less on taxes is to pick up losing tickets at 7-11 or the track and write them off against your winnings if you are every lucky enough to hit a 10000 to one shot so many times like this guy did.  One day it might be me because I fire away at 1125 here in Illinois as it is my bday and it has never come up!

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Wooddrive on Sep 28, 2012

I don't know where you get your info from. But I ain't from appalachia, pal. Don't be accusing someone without knowing the facts, pal. ...maybe I should tell you to stop smokin and drinking that appalachia mountain funny stuff... pal.

No you're from some little hick town of 400 hicks on the MD line.

You wouldn't make it in the Apps, boy.

Run along now, numbnuts, I'm through with ya.

Wooddrive's avatarWooddrive

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Sep 28, 2012

No you're from some little hick town of 400 hicks on the MD line.

You wouldn't make it in the Apps, boy.

Run along now, numbnuts, I'm through with ya.

just like I thought.  got nothing to do in your little old cabin so start an arguement without any facts and start calling names. take your negativity and shove it like the furry tale rats you eat, old man.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by qutgnt on Sep 28, 2012

The fact we have to pay taxes on lottery winnings and gambling winnings in this country is disgusting. We are playing a game that is taxed at upwards of 50% to begin with. This backward type of thinking is why we are 15 trillion in the hole as a country. Instead of incentivizing people to play and to churn more handle it is an absolute money grab at every turn. Let us face it.  99.9% of people lose money gambling whether it be horses, casinos, or lotteries. But the goverment knows that most people are lazy and will not keep track of winnings and losses and will pay up. Just like many lotteries have these crazy bonus areas on scratch off tickets because they know some people will just throw tickets away thinking they lost.


The smarter way to pay less on taxes is to pick up losing tickets at 7-11 or the track and write them off against your winnings if you are every lucky enough to hit a 10000 to one shot so many times like this guy did.  One day it might be me because I fire away at 1125 here in Illinois as it is my bday and it has never come up!

I say buy 208 of them right away....... And don't forget to save your losing tickets for tax purposes.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Wooddrive on Sep 28, 2012

just like I thought.  got nothing to do in your little old cabin so start an arguement without any facts and start calling names. take your negativity and shove it like the furry tale rats you eat, old man.

You are too funny Woody, the base tax rate depends on how much you win.......

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Artist77 on Sep 28, 2012

I would buy a book by Ridge.

Well, thank you, Artist.

I just might commence to writin' one now!   Big Grin

Ronnie316
rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Wooddrive on Sep 28, 2012

just like I thought.  got nothing to do in your little old cabin so start an arguement without any facts and start calling names. take your negativity and shove it like the furry tale rats you eat, old man.

You started with the names, son.

Remember? You called me buddy so I called you pal. Go look.

So why don't you just blow it out yer @$$, hick boy?

Todd's avatarTodd

It would be ironic if this guy was one of those people running around saying, "The rich need to pay their fair share."

I'd say there's a good possibility.  It's always "someone else" who should pay.

Wooddrive's avatarWooddrive

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Sep 28, 2012

You started with the names, son.

Remember? You called me buddy so I called you pal. Go look.

So why don't you just blow it out yer @$$, hick boy?

where I'm from "buddy" isn't derogatory. Pal isn't either, but you used it sarcastically and called me hick. Info alert, last time i checked Delaware County, Pa is no where near hickville. You are so clueless, oracle my Azz, sounds more like sour grapes because you had a hard life. Stop holding grudges and enjoy your twilight years... please fade away...

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Sep 28, 2012

It would be ironic if this guy was one of those people running around saying, "The rich need to pay their fair share."

I'd say there's a good possibility.  It's always "someone else" who should pay.

I was ruminatin' on the same thing, Todd.

They all the time wanna sock it to the rich guy until they're the rich guy.

Then they want new rules.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Wooddrive on Sep 28, 2012

where I'm from "buddy" isn't derogatory. Pal isn't either, but you used it sarcastically and called me hick. Info alert, last time i checked Delaware County, Pa is no where near hickville. You are so clueless, oracle my Azz, sounds more like sour grapes because you had a hard life. Stop holding grudges and enjoy your twilight years... please fade away...

You still here, numbnuts?

I thought I told you to run along a while ago?

Now beat it, hick boy. Go whittle on a stick or somethin'.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Wooddrive on Sep 28, 2012

where I'm from "buddy" isn't derogatory. Pal isn't either, but you used it sarcastically and called me hick. Info alert, last time i checked Delaware County, Pa is no where near hickville. You are so clueless, oracle my Azz, sounds more like sour grapes because you had a hard life. Stop holding grudges and enjoy your twilight years... please fade away...

LOL.... The old "you used it sarcastically but I didn't" reasoning??? Way to funny, Woody...

Until you get out of paying the 35% I think you lost the argument..... lol. lol. lol.

Wooddrive's avatarWooddrive

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Sep 28, 2012

You still here, numbnuts?

I thought I told you to run along a while ago?

Now beat it, hick boy. Go whittle on a stick or somethin'.

numbnuts? is that appalachia oracle speak? ...fade away...or do you want to tell your story on the couch.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Wooddrive on Sep 28, 2012

numbnuts? is that appalachia oracle speak? ...fade away...or do you want to tell your story on the couch.

Numbnuts.

Well son, if the shoe fits...

Jill34786's avatarJill34786

It appears many folks are confused at what the true Federal tax rate is on Lottery winnings. The 25% Federal tax that gets witheld on major Jackpots is just the initial down payment. The top tier Federal tax rate is currently 35% and is set to go up in 2013. The winner is still responsible for the other 10% but he/she can mitigate the additional tax owed by working with an experienced CPA and tax attorney.

This is the number one reason why so many Jackpot winners get in trouble because they assume that ALL Federal taxes have already been paid prior to collecting their winnings.

Wooddrive's avatarWooddrive

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Sep 28, 2012

LOL.... The old "you used it sarcastically but I didn't" reasoning??? Way to funny, Woody...

Until you get out of paying the 35% I think you lost the argument..... lol. lol. lol.

hey Ronnie, you must understand that Federal tax is flexible. There are variables in everything we do, its called choice. Look at Romney, for example. why 13% and not less... or more. I'm not condoning breaking the law, more like playing the game we know the rich plays.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Jill34786 on Sep 28, 2012

It appears many folks are confused at what the true Federal tax rate is on Lottery winnings. The 25% Federal tax that gets witheld on major Jackpots is just the initial down payment. The top tier Federal tax rate is currently 35% and is set to go up in 2013. The winner is still responsible for the other 10% but he/she can mitigate the additional tax owed by working with an experienced CPA and tax attorney.

This is the number one reason why so many Jackpot winners get in trouble because they assume that ALL Federal taxes have already been paid prior to collecting their winnings.

Your trying to say people are responsible for understanding and obeying the law??? Interesting!!

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Wooddrive on Sep 28, 2012

hey Ronnie, you must understand that Federal tax is flexible. There are variables in everything we do, its called choice. Look at Romney, for example. why 13% and not less... or more. I'm not condoning breaking the law, more like playing the game we know the rich plays.

Dude, Romney (or ANYONE) would pay that rate on their INVESTMENT INCOME.  Winning the lottery is REGULAR INCOME.

If you take some of that lottery money and INVEST it, then your INVESTMENT INCOME will only be taxed at the INVESTMENT INCOME rate.

Get it?

(I don't think you know the "game the rich play", because there is no game, other than getting taxed twice:  once when they first earn money, and then a second time when they invest their money and get investment income based on risking that money they've earned.)

Wooddrive's avatarWooddrive

Quote: Originally posted by Jill34786 on Sep 28, 2012

It appears many folks are confused at what the true Federal tax rate is on Lottery winnings. The 25% Federal tax that gets witheld on major Jackpots is just the initial down payment. The top tier Federal tax rate is currently 35% and is set to go up in 2013. The winner is still responsible for the other 10% but he/she can mitigate the additional tax owed by working with an experienced CPA and tax attorney.

This is the number one reason why so many Jackpot winners get in trouble because they assume that ALL Federal taxes have already been paid prior to collecting their winnings.

thank you, Jill. Yes, that 10% isn't due until the next file date. Like I said variables, timing is crucial, let the winnings work in your favor.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Wooddrive on Sep 28, 2012

hey Ronnie, you must understand that Federal tax is flexible. There are variables in everything we do, its called choice. Look at Romney, for example. why 13% and not less... or more. I'm not condoning breaking the law, more like playing the game we know the rich plays.

Is that whats bothering you..... "the game we know the rich plays" ???

Littleoldlady's avatarLittleoldlady

He should have just paid and been done with it.  He could have invested a portion of his winnings and still be making money.  Nice hit.  But for the life of me..50 cent tickets?  $104.00 on 1 number.  I know folks who put up to 20 bucks on 1 number..

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Littleoldlady on Sep 28, 2012

He should have just paid and been done with it.  He could have invested a portion of his winnings and still be making money.  Nice hit.  But for the life of me..50 cent tickets?  $104.00 on 1 number.  I know folks who put up to 20 bucks on 1 number..

I would be willing to bet he played that number 1000 times.

Wooddrive's avatarWooddrive

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Sep 28, 2012

Is that whats bothering you..... "the game we know the rich plays" ???

Nothing really bothers me. I'm too laid back. i just wish I had the money to invest so I can pay the low capital gains tax and let the money work for me.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Littleoldlady on Sep 28, 2012

He should have just paid and been done with it.  He could have invested a portion of his winnings and still be making money.  Nice hit.  But for the life of me..50 cent tickets?  $104.00 on 1 number.  I know folks who put up to 20 bucks on 1 number..

"But for the life of me..50 cent tickets? $104.00 on 1 number."

Folks round here would say "he knowed somethin'."

But then he got greedy.

Wooddrive's avatarWooddrive

In Pa everyone plays 50 cent tickets on big4. That way the retailer can pay immediately. anything over and you have wait for the check in the mail. Good luck, thanks for the conversation.

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by Wooddrive on Sep 28, 2012

Nothing really bothers me. I'm too laid back. i just wish I had the money to invest so I can pay the low capital gains tax and let the money work for me.

Are you conceding that your tax rate on regular income over $388,350. is 35%??

JADELottery's avatarJADELottery

Want my Vote?

Make Lottery Winnings Tax Free.

mcginnin56

Sorry I missed all the fun here.  LOL

Sounds like when Friend's "friends" started recruiting other warm bodies to do his dirty work, is when everything became compromised.

Nothin' like a juicy topic of tax evasion, to bring out the warm humanity out of people.  Boxing

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Ronnie316 on Sep 28, 2012

Are you conceding that your tax rate on regular income over $388,350. is 35%??

It would be rare for someone to pay 35%.  They would have to have no deductions at all.

For example, Mitt Romney gave more than $4 million of his investment income last year to charity -- a huge percentage of his income.  You do not typically pay tax on money that you gave away to charity, so his overall tax percentage would be less than it would be if he didn't give away anything.

So, in other words, if you won an $8 million jackpot, and you gave away half of it to charity ($4 million), then you would be taxed on the $4 million you kept.  (Wouldn't it be strange to pay taxes on all $8 million, even though you gave away $4 million to charity?)

So, if you calculate a straight 35% on the $4 million you have left (which as you mentioned is not a correct calculation, because you only pay the 35% on the amount over $388,000, or whatever it is), then you would end up paying $1.4 million in taxes.

Now, if the average non-tax-paying American looked at that $1.4 million in taxes you paid and compared it to the $8 million jackpot you won, they would say something like, "Hey, rich guy, you only paid 17.5% in taxes!  That's less than your secretary pays!"  (Or insert an ignorant statement of your own choosing there.)

Of course, that non-tax-paying American would not be taking into account that you gave away half of your jackpot.  They would only be interested in foolishly saying that you're "a rich guy playing games to pay nothing in taxes."

mcginnin56

Quote: Originally posted by JADELottery on Sep 28, 2012

Want my Vote?

Make Lottery Winnings Tax Free.

Why pay any taxes. What?

Just kick in a dozen eggs from our chickens, one gallon of milk from our cows, and a little moonshine to uncle Sam once a month.

That's really all it takes to keep this country running anyways.  Patriot

luckyshoes's avatarluckyshoes

I live 20 miles from there- lol   I bet I know the place where  he played- maybe even those he recruited to cash in his tickets. And regarding Mr. Cupp,  he was my lawyer once and needless to say.... NEVER AGAIN

Ronnie316

I think I'm seeing the light...... It sounds like "a rich guy playing games to pay nothing in taxes" 

PAYS MORE IN TAXES

than "the average non-tax-paying American" and the rich guys secretary put together.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by Wooddrive on Sep 28, 2012

In Pa everyone plays 50 cent tickets on big4. That way the retailer can pay immediately. anything over and you have wait for the check in the mail. Good luck, thanks for the conversation.

That explains why he got 50 cent tickets because taxes must still be paid on $2500 in winnings; that and the fact he knew lots of "10 percenters". It made it easier for him to make sure none of the "10 percenters" kept all the money and had it been $1 tickets, it would be more difficult to find someone to cash it.

In the two states where I've had $1 straight winners, it was very easy to collect the winnings. Depending on how far they live from lottery authorized bank, Ohio players can get paid up to $5000 in a couple of hours and in KY when I had three straight tickets, the cashing agent wrote me a check for $15,000 after filling out the W2-Gs. Had I won over $25,000, I would have taken the tickets to Lottery Headquarters and they would have withheld 25% in taxes.

Seattlejohn

What. An. Idiot.  You should have just paid your taxes upfront, dumbass, and enjoyed your windfall with no stress or worry; now, you're facing jail & possibly losing a big portion of it to penalties & interest.  Moron!

JADELottery's avatarJADELottery

Quote: Originally posted by mcginnin56 on Sep 28, 2012

Why pay any taxes. What?

Just kick in a dozen eggs from our chickens, one gallon of milk from our cows, and a little moonshine to uncle Sam once a month.

That's really all it takes to keep this country running anyways.  Patriot

Make the Government a donation based entity.

mcginnin56

Quote: Originally posted by JADELottery on Sep 28, 2012

Make the Government a donation based entity.

There you go!

I've got my eggs ready, I'll be the first to donate.  Hyper

Cletu$2's avatarCletu$2

Quote: Originally posted by Wooddrive on Sep 28, 2012

your rate is 35%, mine is 25% buddy.

Your rate is 35%,too.The lottery will withhold 25% right off the top,but on April 15th you will still owe the feds another 10 %.Thats a fact!

whiteballz's avatarwhiteballz

Quote: Originally posted by Jill34786 on Sep 28, 2012

It appears many folks are confused at what the true Federal tax rate is on Lottery winnings. The 25% Federal tax that gets witheld on major Jackpots is just the initial down payment. The top tier Federal tax rate is currently 35% and is set to go up in 2013. The winner is still responsible for the other 10% but he/she can mitigate the additional tax owed by working with an experienced CPA and tax attorney.

This is the number one reason why so many Jackpot winners get in trouble because they assume that ALL Federal taxes have already been paid prior to collecting their winnings.

Jill I don't know what you mean when you wrote, "mitigate the additional tax owed." Currently, the marginal tax rate for income over $388,350 is 35% and nothing in the world is going to change that.

Tax deductions, like giving money to charity, would lower your effective tax rate but the money you give away will not lower your tax liability dollar for dollar.

In other words, if your marginal tax rate is 35%, every dollar you gave to charity would only lower your tax liability by 35 cents. So you end up losing 65 cents for every dollar you gave away.

geerod2001's avatargeerod2001

Dear Lottery Players;


You can avoid paying any/all income taxes on your winnings by knowing how to endorse(sign) the lottery check before depositing into an account.

Make a "Demand for Lawful Money"on the back of the check, eliminating the use of  Federal Reserve Notes,which eliminates the IRS tax liability on YOU the winner !!!!!!


There's plenty of information out there on this subject matter.........READ and LEARN people.US Flag

Ronnie316

Quote: Originally posted by geerod2001 on Sep 28, 2012

Dear Lottery Players;


You can avoid paying any/all income taxes on your winnings by knowing how to endorse(sign) the lottery check before depositing into an account.

Make a "Demand for Lawful Money"on the back of the check, eliminating the use of  Federal Reserve Notes,which eliminates the IRS tax liability on YOU the winner !!!!!!


There's plenty of information out there on this subject matter.........READ and LEARN people.US Flag

Funny you should mention this   geerod2001,

because the courts determined that federal reserve notes are "lawful money" in 1974, which upheld court rulings from 1874.........  Feel free to read about it for yourself........

http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/money_15197.htm

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

Quote: Originally posted by geerod2001 on Sep 28, 2012

Dear Lottery Players;


You can avoid paying any/all income taxes on your winnings by knowing how to endorse(sign) the lottery check before depositing into an account.

Make a "Demand for Lawful Money"on the back of the check, eliminating the use of  Federal Reserve Notes,which eliminates the IRS tax liability on YOU the winner !!!!!!


There's plenty of information out there on this subject matter.........READ and LEARN people.US Flag

geerod2001,

That's the kind of stuff Irwin Schiff used to teach.

Look him up and see what you find.

The difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion?

About 5 to 20 years.

As for the guy in the OP, you think he would have learned something when he won the car.

OldSchoolPa's avatarOldSchoolPa

Yes, that is the "Hope" the I.R.S. is banking on and the "Change" we citizens don't want to move "Forward" which will take us backward. Just cut the spending dude, Mr. President!

jamella724

I feel so sad about this, but the man should be punished for what he have done.  Just remember that paying taxes is our obligation as a citizen.  Every one is obliged to do that.

whiteballz's avatarwhiteballz

Quote: Originally posted by jamella724 on Sep 29, 2012

I feel so sad about this, but the man should be punished for what he have done.  Just remember that paying taxes is our obligation as a citizen.  Every one is obliged to do that.

True fact: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and the other founding fathers didn't pay income tax. Income tax is a relatively new annoyance for American citizens. I'm not excusing Sherman Friend for what he did but paying taxes has little to do with patriotism.

Coin Toss's avatarCoin Toss

What is now the Federal Income Tax started as a temporary tax to finance America's involvement in WW I.

RedStang's avatarRedStang

What about the peeps that signed the ticket. They must of testified to get off easy.

Original Bey's avatarOriginal Bey

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Sep 28, 2012

"But for the life of me..50 cent tickets? $104.00 on 1 number."

Folks round here would say "he knowed somethin'."

But then he got greedy.

Reminds me of the guy who wagered $700 on 2912 after dreaming about his mother. His mom and my mom shares the same D.O.B.  Needless to say he and I are not on speaking terms after that.

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by Original Bey on Sep 30, 2012

Reminds me of the guy who wagered $700 on 2912 after dreaming about his mother. His mom and my mom shares the same D.O.B.  Needless to say he and I are not on speaking terms after that.

Yeah, I remember that guy.

He "knowed something" too.

Artist77's avatarArtist77

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Sep 30, 2012

Yeah, I remember that guy.

He "knowed something" too.

lol I knowed something too. All lottery winners are shape shifting reptiles.

Scientistman

In Washington State taxes are only taken out if your win is over $5000

So when you go cash your ticket in as I have they tell you that you are responsible to pay the taxes on the money and they hand you a check for the full amount.

Scientistman

Lets not forget that this country was built on the revenue of the lottery dating back hundreds of years.

mjwinsmith's avatarmjwinsmith

I think it would be so stupid to put this guy in jail, guess who pays for the jail time, taxpayers (You and I).

Now if they calculated the cost to keep him in jail and add that amount to the interest and penalties he owes on the taxable amount and made him pay that too, now that would be justice!.

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