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if "someone" found a way to beat the lottery wheel-would you label that cheating?

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Posted: April 23, 2013, 9:51 am - IP Logged

HoLeeKau wrote:

However, if they got the numbers from a vision, or time travel, or math then it's not cheating.

 

I've been working on my time machine ... HeeHee!!!  ...I only need to go back a couple of hours ... LOL!!!

In states like Ohio where you can buy tickets for the local games up to 15 minutes before their drawings, you would only need to go back a half hour.

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    HoLeeKau wrote:

    However, if they got the numbers from a vision, or time travel, or math then it's not cheating.

     

    I've been working on my time machine ... HeeHee!!!  ...I only need to go back a couple of hours ... LOL!!!

    If you successfully build a Time Machine, why worry with the lottery.  People would pay millions to use it or even billions to buy it from you!  Jester

    "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, Wisdom is knowing that a tomato does not go in a fruit salad."  Hat


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      If you successfully build a Time Machine, why worry with the lottery.  People would pay millions to use it or even billions to buy it from you!  Jester

      There was a story many years ago on a radio show that still airs to this day called "Coasttocoast". The themes of discussion on the show mainly reflect paranormal subjects, and a few years ago, one of many topics related to time travel was being discussed, specifically about a supposed time traveler named John Titor.

      However, there was another related topic about a man who won the lottery so many times, that men in black eventually caught up with him and he was never to be seen again. The story is unsubstantiated If my memory serves me right. But the guy was believed to be a time traveler who probably had an Almanac with him.

      There are some problems with that story. For one, why would he attract so much attention to himself? I'd be happy waiting for a large PB JP to peak and buy a ticket for one drawing before the week which the intended JP ticket holders would've won. But then we'd run into a paradox. What would happen to the person/s who hit that JP before I went back in time? They already won that JP.

      The only explanation I've heard so far in an attempt to make the paradox workable was presented in the following fashion. There would have to be multiple universes where in one universe, the intended subjects won the JP, and another universe simultaneously existing which allows me to go back and win the same JP, thus allowing for both parties to win the same draw. That's the only way for this to happen without tearing the fabric of time and space altogether.

       

      Eek

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        There was a story many years ago on a radio show that still airs to this day called "Coasttocoast". The themes of discussion on the show mainly reflect paranormal subjects, and a few years ago, one of many topics related to time travel was being discussed, specifically about a supposed time traveler named John Titor.

        However, there was another related topic about a man who won the lottery so many times, that men in black eventually caught up with him and he was never to be seen again. The story is unsubstantiated If my memory serves me right. But the guy was believed to be a time traveler who probably had an Almanac with him.

        There are some problems with that story. For one, why would he attract so much attention to himself? I'd be happy waiting for a large PB JP to peak and buy a ticket for one drawing before the week which the intended JP ticket holders would've won. But then we'd run into a paradox. What would happen to the person/s who hit that JP before I went back in time? They already won that JP.

        The only explanation I've heard so far in an attempt to make the paradox workable was presented in the following fashion. There would have to be multiple universes where in one universe, the intended subjects won the JP, and another universe simultaneously existing which allows me to go back and win the same JP, thus allowing for both parties to win the same draw. That's the only way for this to happen without tearing the fabric of time and space altogether.

         

        Eek

        Or ... go forward to find out numbers for a future drawing that hasn't been held yet, come back & play for that drawing.  That shouldn't mess anything up for the current population, since they are yet to get to that future ... it might change the future, but who would ever know!

        The Back to the Future movies are some of my favorites!

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          Posted: April 23, 2013, 3:36 pm - IP Logged

          i don't think it would be cheating if you are paying for your ticket, No Nod

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            There was a story many years ago on a radio show that still airs to this day called "Coasttocoast". The themes of discussion on the show mainly reflect paranormal subjects, and a few years ago, one of many topics related to time travel was being discussed, specifically about a supposed time traveler named John Titor.

            However, there was another related topic about a man who won the lottery so many times, that men in black eventually caught up with him and he was never to be seen again. The story is unsubstantiated If my memory serves me right. But the guy was believed to be a time traveler who probably had an Almanac with him.

            There are some problems with that story. For one, why would he attract so much attention to himself? I'd be happy waiting for a large PB JP to peak and buy a ticket for one drawing before the week which the intended JP ticket holders would've won. But then we'd run into a paradox. What would happen to the person/s who hit that JP before I went back in time? They already won that JP.

            The only explanation I've heard so far in an attempt to make the paradox workable was presented in the following fashion. There would have to be multiple universes where in one universe, the intended subjects won the JP, and another universe simultaneously existing which allows me to go back and win the same JP, thus allowing for both parties to win the same draw. That's the only way for this to happen without tearing the fabric of time and space altogether.

             

            Eek

            Sounds like a Star Trek episode. 

            When Captain Kirk was using his communicator to talk to his ship in space, the cell phone hadn't been invented  and the Ipad was just a dream when Captain Prepard was using it to record his logs to the main computer.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: April 23, 2013, 5:24 pm - IP Logged

              If you successfully build a Time Machine, why worry with the lottery.  People would pay millions to use it or even billions to buy it from you!  Jester

              Who says I use a ... ummm ... I mean maybe a machine wouldn't be necessary.  Maybe it's just something I ... um ... people would do using only their bodies or minds.

              I'd go forward and get the Powerball numbers for the draw Christmas night, then come back and buy a few 5 + 0 tickets in several different states (so the pari mutuel doesn't kick in for any single state) with the megaplier and give those to a few friends for Christmas presents.  And I'd buy the 5 + 1 ticket for myself in a state where I could remain anonymous.

              So if that happens this Christmas, you'll know I've perfected time travel.  Big Grin Santa

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                onlymoney,

                That Coast to Coast program was when Art Bell was the host (now it's George Noory). Art Bell had already stated that he thought people who win lottery jackpots and people who do extremely well in the stock market were time travelers.

                Bell lives in Pahrump, NV whic h is in Nye County and said his program was from "The Kingdom of Nye" but at first was broadcasting from KDWN radio, which was on the mezzanine of the then Union Plaza hotel in downtown Vegas. The program was at first called West Coast A.M. and it was easy to call in and get through. Not so much since it became Coast to Coast A.M.

                John Titor was suppossedly a time traveler from the year 2036 when there was a war going on in America. He needed a part for his time travel machine and traveled back in time to try and find that part for sale on eBay.

                I don't know if the sites are still up but usually doing a search for John Titor produces some interesting results.

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  Who says I use a ... ummm ... I mean maybe a machine wouldn't be necessary.  Maybe it's just something I ... um ... people would do using only their bodies or minds.

                  I'd go forward and get the Powerball numbers for the draw Christmas night, then come back and buy a few 5 + 0 tickets in several different states (so the pari mutuel doesn't kick in for any single state) with the megaplier and give those to a few friends for Christmas presents.  And I'd buy the 5 + 1 ticket for myself in a state where I could remain anonymous.

                  So if that happens this Christmas, you'll know I've perfected time travel.  Big Grin Santa

                  Dang!!!  What a plan!

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                    Posted: April 23, 2013, 6:32 pm - IP Logged

                    An interesting take sir.

                    However, all long term advantages will not hurt the "Man".

                    It would only hurt the players.  As there would be many more winners and thus jackpots would be considerably smaller or shared.

                    Any change due to greed by players or by "man"agement would be detrimental to most games.  Management has already gotten by this by putting a cap on sales on some games.  Other means is by a cap on payout.  As in last nights 8 jackpot winners sharing 80K.

                    Any advantage gotten is up to the players interpretation of past results, and no two people will be in sync all the time.  And no interpretation will be correct always.

                    No change by management to preven winners has ever been good to a game.

                    Any major change usually only marks the slow death of a game.

                    (Just an opinion)

                    Hi LottoBoner, et al-

                    You make some commendable points & are well versed, well rehearsed, and deeply immersed in the kind of knowledge.

                    A puzzling question to consider,  with all the chips that's stacked up on the gamers side i.e, odds, deep funds, all star professionally trained dealers, own gaming equipment & home court advantages: If the games were not beatable, why are cointermeasures necessary such as STOPPERS (specially trained card dealers who are available to STOP any lucky streak or methodology;  wheel burners on roulette who are practiced at placing the ball where there are no bets, etc ????

                    Just wondering why these secret anti player practices still exist>>>

                    Respectfully,

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                      Sounds like a Star Trek episode. 

                      When Captain Kirk was using his communicator to talk to his ship in space, the cell phone hadn't been invented  and the Ipad was just a dream when Captain Prepard was using it to record his logs to the main computer.

                      Life imitating art?

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                        There was a story many years ago on a radio show that still airs to this day called "Coasttocoast". The themes of discussion on the show mainly reflect paranormal subjects, and a few years ago, one of many topics related to time travel was being discussed, specifically about a supposed time traveler named John Titor.

                        However, there was another related topic about a man who won the lottery so many times, that men in black eventually caught up with him and he was never to be seen again. The story is unsubstantiated If my memory serves me right. But the guy was believed to be a time traveler who probably had an Almanac with him.

                        There are some problems with that story. For one, why would he attract so much attention to himself? I'd be happy waiting for a large PB JP to peak and buy a ticket for one drawing before the week which the intended JP ticket holders would've won. But then we'd run into a paradox. What would happen to the person/s who hit that JP before I went back in time? They already won that JP.

                        The only explanation I've heard so far in an attempt to make the paradox workable was presented in the following fashion. There would have to be multiple universes where in one universe, the intended subjects won the JP, and another universe simultaneously existing which allows me to go back and win the same JP, thus allowing for both parties to win the same draw. That's the only way for this to happen without tearing the fabric of time and space altogether.

                         

                        Eek

                        He probably had to win several times because of hyperinflation in the future. Wink

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                          edessaknight,

                          "If the games were not beatable, why are cointermeasures necessary such as STOPPERS (specially trained card dealers who are available to STOP any lucky streak or methodology;  wheel burners on roulette who are practiced at placing the ball where there are no bets, etc ????

                          Just wondering why these secret anti player practices still exist>>>"

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                          I never saw any "stoppers" like you mentioned. I did see things like a hispanic 21 dealer telling a player her hole card, not realizing the non-hispanic floorman was fluent in Spanish. Thney took her out of the casino in handcuffs, always great for p.r.

                          Casinos are paranoid because "desperate people do desperate things" (first rule of surveillance) so they are always watching out for cheats.

                          One of the most common things thye look for is players stealing from other players. They are called 'rail thieves' because they reach into othe player's chips in the real while that player isn't looking.

                          Most beefs occur when a player thought he knew something and he didn't or when someone is caught cheating - nobody raises a ruckus like a cheat who has been caught.

                          As for 'stoppers', we had a guy roll the dice for over 3 hours one night and the table blew off about $750,000. That should have been maybe $2,000,000 but those players didn't play that way. No 'stoppers'. That happened on a Memorial Day weekend and the same players were back playing on credit on Labor Day.

                          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                          Lep

                          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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                            Thanks for the cool insights Coin. I always enjoy casino night at the church because its easy to place large bets on the crap table AFTER the dice have been rolled.

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                              Holy past posters Batman!

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                              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                              Lep

                              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.