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There are different kind of wheels, in order to name a few, we have key wheels, positional wheels, and x if z wheels. There are full wheels with filters too.

What software can we buy and which are the specialities and strong points by software?
Considering conditions like x if y, which software produces most of world record wheels, with a small number of combinations?

The thread is about world record wheels and wheels with special qualities like positional for lottery games that are not of the pick-3 type.


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        how about for 10/80 Smiley

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          There are different kind of wheels, in order to name a few, we have key wheels, positional wheels, and x if z wheels. There are full wheels with filters too.

          What software can we buy and which are the specialities and strong points by software?
          Considering conditions like x if y, which software produces most of world record wheels, with a small number of combinations?

          The thread is about world record wheels and wheels with special qualities like positional for lottery games that are not of the pick-3 type.


          World record for what?  Fewest tickets, most prizes, most lower prize tiers covered 100%, there are choices.

          One size does not fit all.  To get one desire one usually has to give up another. 

          Best wheel maker is free, CoverMaster you likely have it.

          Best key wheel maker, CoverMaster just make a wheel for a smaller game for example for a pick-6 key wheel make a Pick-5 wheel one number smaller like for a 18 number wheel make a Pick-5 for 17 numbers wheel and then raise the line size from 5 to 6 and a box pops up asking what you want to do with the new position, give it a number for every line, pushes all numbers above that up one.

          Best full wheel maker is free, Maybells QuikWheeler. 

          Positional, group, pair, you need a paid software like Advanced Lotto Tool or Lotwin.  You may have Lotwin lite already on the hard drive, wheels don't need a particular data base draw history to make place holder pointer number wheels.  The old Lottery Director ldir.com software that's now free comes with a thousand wheels of many types and a free wheel maker for some unusual types. 

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            how about for 10/80 Smiley

            How about 6 if 3? Jester

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              I have CoverMaster but use one of my hand written wheels that I put in Excel.


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                I have CoverMaster but use one of my hand written wheels that I put in Excel.

                I have Wheel 5 gold!  It was a gift.Approve

                I have one super duper wheel.

                It is a 4 if 5 wheel in one game.

                5 numbers, guareenteed to hit 4 of 5

                if your selected 5 numbers match at least 4 numbers.

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                  Fewest tickets was what I meant by world record wheel. CoverMaster does what it promises but generates more lines than the absolute minimum.

                  When I use CoverMaster, I paste the wheel in Excel and use it as structure to distribute my selected numbers.

                  I programmed several special versions of wheels with not far fetched algorithms. Those wheels have more lines, but do what is promised.


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                    Fewest tickets was what I meant by world record wheel. CoverMaster does what it promises but generates more lines than the absolute minimum.

                    When I use CoverMaster, I paste the wheel in Excel and use it as structure to distribute my selected numbers.

                    I programmed several special versions of wheels with not far fetched algorithms. Those wheels have more lines, but do what is promised.

                    Well Darth Vader has several full wheels with filters.

                    A 5 if 5 of 10 in only 252 games.

                    I only checked it out recently.

                    It has some sum filters and some others, but I have to look into it.

                    I guess the world record would be one ticket!

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                      Well Darth Vader has several full wheels with filters.

                      A 5 if 5 of 10 in only 252 games.

                      I only checked it out recently.

                      It has some sum filters and some others, but I have to look into it.

                      I guess the world record would be one ticket!

                      "I guess the world record would be one ticket!"

                      It's possible to get one unique line using just one filter. In both PB and MM or any pick-5 game, use the Sum 15.

                      Depending on how many numbers are used, some 2 if 2 wheels have the same effect as a 3 if 5 with less lines. I've used wheeling software where filters can be applied after the wheel is constructed, but filtering an abbreviated wheel can filter out the wheel guarantee. The ideal program for me would allow me apply any filter to a full wheel and then construct an abbreviated wheel from remaining lines.

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                        Fewest tickets was what I meant by world record wheel. CoverMaster does what it promises but generates more lines than the absolute minimum.

                        When I use CoverMaster, I paste the wheel in Excel and use it as structure to distribute my selected numbers.

                        I programmed several special versions of wheels with not far fetched algorithms. Those wheels have more lines, but do what is promised.


                        CoverMaster needs to be massaged to make tighter wheels.

                        The process begins with knowing the established size (bounds) of the wheel you want to make or exceed and take note of whether the wheel is split into two independent parts or allmost all numbers share a line together.

                        CoverMaster only makes split wheels by making the two independent parts.  You may see a (24,6,3,6)=20 wheel in a book and be disappointed CoverMaster makes that wheel in 24 lines without realizing is making a non-split wheel.

                        First of all if making a wheel using Optimizer doesn't make the wheel tight enough, make the wheel without it to a known size and then Optimize as the Optimizer does not remove excess tickets.

                        Now say CoverMaster makes that (24,6,3,6)=24 wheel in 26 or 28 on the first pass, knowing the wheel can be made in 24 only, allow CM to make the first 24 lines, then Optimize those lines to try and reach 100%.

                        If Optimize fails to reach 100%  try changing a number or two in a line,  try deleating a line and Optimizing and adding a random line to give Optimizer something to chew on. 

                        Note: Some wheels can not be improved, (22,6,3,3)=77, (12,6,4,6)=6, (12,6,4,6)=42 though internal changes can be made to alter the coverage of other prize tiers.

                        Bluskov may have software that can reduce a wheel by brute force, wish I had a copy.

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                          Bluskov probably isn't the only person having such a program. Bluskov was a player in France, and probably still is playing in Canada now, so I am curious about his approach when selecting numbers.

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                            I wonder why my Wheel Generator is not mentioned here. It has many world records attributed to it, can construct almost any known wheeling requirement including dual coverage, 0% < L <= 99.0, matrix, jackpot matrix, t if m matrix (unique feature), wheeling around filters from scratch such as positional/sums/odds and mother (another unique feature) - not filtering afterwards which is the worse approach possible, all in one package. Also the ability to deal with very large coverings (k up to 12) and virtually unlimited blocks (>100000 coverings) no other wheeler known to me can even approach such figures. Also it has created 4 wheels for Iliya's Bluskov's Lotto 6 book (holds the records to these too). So, yes I assume WG to be at the top of the top for the questions asked at the first post.

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                              "I guess the world record would be one ticket!"

                              It's possible to get one unique line using just one filter. In both PB and MM or any pick-5 game, use the Sum 15.

                              Depending on how many numbers are used, some 2 if 2 wheels have the same effect as a 3 if 5 with less lines. I've used wheeling software where filters can be applied after the wheel is constructed, but filtering an abbreviated wheel can filter out the wheel guarantee. The ideal program for me would allow me apply any filter to a full wheel and then construct an abbreviated wheel from remaining lines.

                              For your last sentence, my WG can do that via the mother covering feature. As far as I know, no other wheeler in the world has this feature available.