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California's Pick 3 glitch

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The LP news had an article a few days ago pertaining to Arizona's glitch in the P-3 game. I may have to email the officials in California to complain about a similar problem.

In the past 41 days, the number 8 has only shown four times in position 1 in the midday draw.

If that's not bad enough, the evening draw is worse. The last time a number 8 has been drawn in the first position in the evening draw was 49 days ago.

Does anyone else think this is odd?

Eek

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    Posted: August 28, 2013, 5:44 am - IP Logged

    The LP news had an article a few days ago pertaining to Arizona's glitch in the P-3 game. I may have to email the officials in California to complain about a similar problem.

    In the past 41 days, the number 8 has only shown four times in position 1 in the midday draw.

    If that's not bad enough, the evening draw is worse. The last time a number 8 has been drawn in the first position in the evening draw was 49 days ago.

    Does anyone else think this is odd?

    Eek

    No. You're making the false assumption that the Daily 3 Mid and Eve draws are separate games with separate sets of draw machines.

    If you look at the Mid/Eve results combined as sequential events of the same game and machines as calottery does,(and numbers the draws exactly like that) then your anomaly disappears.

    CA did have a problem with their draw machines several years ago but that was a different issue.


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      Posted: August 28, 2013, 8:41 am - IP Logged

      4:times in 41 draws.  Im no mathmatician but isnt that 10%   so each digit is hitting somewhat equally..


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        4:times in 41 draws.  Im no mathmatician but isnt that 10%   so each digit is hitting somewhat equally..

        Then what about the eve? Not once in the first position in 49 days.

        When the Arizona story came out, I looked at the recent history, maybe two months and didn't notice anything unusual, but that got attention. Hmmm

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          Here are some other long outs:

          Arkansas Midday   - Position 1, Digit 7, 68 games out. (No Sunday Midday draw)
          Arkansas Evening  - Position 3, Digit 6, 68 games out.

          Nebraska had a digit that was on a 77 games out dry spell and it hit that same night after I mentioned it.

          Jimmy

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            Posted: August 28, 2013, 12:50 pm - IP Logged

            Here are some other long outs:

            Arkansas Midday   - Position 1, Digit 7, 68 games out. (No Sunday Midday draw)
            Arkansas Evening  - Position 3, Digit 6, 68 games out.

            Nebraska had a digit that was on a 77 games out dry spell and it hit that same night after I mentioned it.

            Jimmy

            To do a complete analysis one would have to include the test drawings too.

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              Posted: August 28, 2013, 12:52 pm - IP Logged

              To do a complete analysis one would have to include the test drawings too.

              Yes I would agree if that information is available.

              Jimmy


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                Posted: August 28, 2013, 1:10 pm - IP Logged

                Test drawing dont count.  They dont pay

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                  Posted: August 28, 2013, 2:48 pm - IP Logged

                  In a random draw, any number can come in at any time.  Conversely, any number can NOT come in.  As someone pointed out, numbers in the 8xx range can be expected to be drawn about 10% of the time, but, statistically, they can arrive 0 out of 1,000 draws and then 200 of the next 1,000 draws and still fulfill 10% on average.

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                    Posted: August 28, 2013, 8:44 pm - IP Logged

                    Test drawing dont count.  They dont pay

                    True, but the post was about numbers not showing up in the official drawings and if they are showing up in the test drawings, then that's proof that they are in the mix and could show up any time.

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                      To do a complete analysis one would have to include the test drawings too.

                      I dont think you need the test drawings to do a complete analysis.

                      However if there was a glitch as was alleged, then the test draws would/should have the same anamoly and that would be/should be proof that there most likely could have/was a glitch.  However as Cash4Jedi said, Pre-draws/post-draws dont pay, so what the point of tracking them anyway?  IMHO at least.

                      I read the Jon D La times posted article and this is what it said.

                       

                      The programmer inadvertently copied a line of software code that kept horses from appearing in more than one winning spot per race. The code guarantees that horse No. 8, for example, doesn't win both first and second place

                       

                      I wonder if he advertently made some wagers?


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                        Posted: August 29, 2013, 12:12 am - IP Logged

                        In a random draw, any number can come in at any time.  Conversely, any number can NOT come in.  As someone pointed out, numbers in the 8xx range can be expected to be drawn about 10% of the time, but, statistically, they can arrive 0 out of 1,000 draws and then 200 of the next 1,000 draws and still fulfill 10% on average.

                         they can arrive 0 out of 1,000 draws and then 200 of the next 1,000 draws and still fulfill 10% on average.

                        That's technically true yet extremely rare for that to happen, like probably never in my lifetime but how come the officials didn't use that defense in the Arizona lottery?


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                          No. You're making the false assumption that the Daily 3 Mid and Eve draws are separate games with separate sets of draw machines.

                          If you look at the Mid/Eve results combined as sequential events of the same game and machines as calottery does,(and numbers the draws exactly like that) then your anomaly disappears.

                          CA did have a problem with their draw machines several years ago but that was a different issue.

                          In that case it makes it even worse. if you add the mid and eve together as one, that would be 41 draws X two, equalling 82 draws with the 8 in the first position showing only 5 times.


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                            Posted: August 29, 2013, 12:21 am - IP Logged

                            To do a complete analysis one would have to include the test drawings too.

                            I Agree!

                             

                            And it doesn't matter whether the test draws pay or not. If the 8's were in the test draws, then that would make my thread moot.

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                              In that case it makes it even worse. if you add the mid and eve together as one, that would be 41 draws X two, equalling 82 draws with the 8 in the first position showing only 5 times.

                              If you look at the draws sequentially as they are published by calottery, there is no anomaly, 8 is not missing from the 1st or any position, not related to AZ issue at all. Here's just the past week:

                              Draw # Draw Date Number_1 Number_2 Number_3

                              ------ ----------------- -------- -------- --------

                              11759 Wed. Aug 28, 2013 3 8 7
                              11758 Wed. Aug 28, 2013 5 4 5
                              11757 Tue. Aug 27, 2013 0 3 9
                              11756 Tue. Aug 27, 2013 8 0 9
                              11755 Mon. Aug 26, 2013 9 3 8
                              11754 Mon. Aug 26, 2013 2 5 5
                              11753 Sun. Aug 25, 2013 6 5 5
                              11752 Sun. Aug 25, 2013 6 8 1
                              11751 Sat. Aug 24, 2013 4 6 6
                              11750 Sat. Aug 24, 2013 4 2 3
                              11749 Fri. Aug 23, 2013 2 0 7
                              11748 Fri. Aug 23, 2013 6 1 9
                              11747 Thu. Aug 22, 2013 5 5 4
                              11746 Thu. Aug 22, 2013 8 3 0

                              Good luck with your complaint to customer service.