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I don't mean to be rude, but that makes no sense. What does "a lot" constitute? What are the actual number of people in each race playing and how many tickets are each race buying. "A lot" means nothing without context. 

Now, if one race was buying say 20% of the tickets but winning 70% of the time, then that would be something to question. But that's not going to happen, because that would be a statistical anomaly.

Teddi, it is interesting that you bring up the percentages. This article happened almost 30 years ago back in the early 90's. So they never gave the percentages. I presume a large enough number of folks back then made the issue worthy of a written article in the magazine. Because there really weren't any big jackpot winners who who were black.

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    I started playing the lotto in 1996 when I turned 21 and I have not been too lucky in it either.  The most I won was $350 on scratch-its not off of powerball, megabucks or mega millions.  My biggest gambling winnings came from two casinos that are local spirit mountain casino and chinook winds casino which are tribal casinos.  I won over $5000 in each casino and smaller payout jackpots over the last 18 years.  I am half white and half hispanic or mixed so lotto has not been good to me like the casinos have.-weshar75

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      Teddi, it is interesting that you bring up the percentages. This article happened almost 30 years ago back in the early 90's. So they never gave the percentages. I presume a large enough number of folks back then made the issue worthy of a written article in the magazine. Because there really weren't any big jackpot winners who who were black.

      Yes, but again, what is a large number of people? The concept of percentages existed 30 years ago so that should have been included. Good journalism would have approached this question with facts, not unsubstantiated innuendos. If statistics had backed up their claim, then the next step would be to question how the machines could possibly determine the race of the ticket purchaser.

      There are a number of people here who believe the lottery is rigged so that only California gets the lions share of jackpot wins. Are they correct because California does seem to win more than the average, or does the truth lie in the fact that statistically the odds fall in California's favor?

      Coincidence or a suggestive pattern does not a fact make. 

      This was shoddy journalism posing a potentially inflammatory theory in order to sell magazines. Because here's a fact, if every single black person and every single white person bought a ticket, more white people would still win the jackpots. Why? Because there are more white people than black people in this country. So statistically that outcome is expected. Show me evidence that blacks buy more tickets than whites and still win disproportionately less than whites and then I might entertain the notion that something is fishy, otherwise this is a non-starter. 

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        I don't mean to be rude, but that makes no sense. What does "a lot" constitute? What are the actual number of people in each race playing and how many tickets are each race buying. "A lot" means nothing without context. 

        Now, if one race was buying say 20% of the tickets but winning 70% of the time, then that would be something to question. But that's not going to happen, because that would be a statistical anomaly.

        At best we can say lottery players are 18 and over or whatever the minimum age is, buying tickets anonymously, and the majority of wins are prizes under $600 with no record of who wins what. Someone could keep statistics on MM, PB, or state lotto games jackpot winners, but because only a tiny percentage of players win jackpots, those statistics are basically useless.

        It's like a LP poll asking what members do for a living and how much a year they make. Even if every answer is the truth, it is still based on very small sampling of LP members. Someone will say "lotteries are taxes on the poor" until somebody asks them to explain how poor people could spend $172 million just on the last five PB drawings.

        People from all three races play lottery games, sell tickets, and win prizes with no way of knowing who wins what.

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          Posted: January 18, 2015, 11:22 pm - IP Logged

          3?

          Asians

          Black

          Caucasian

          Hispanics

          Native Americans

          Taurus$

          Everything is in proportion to population.

          Also, where I live it seems blacks play Pick 3 a lot more than any other game.

          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

          Lep

          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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            Yes, but again, what is a large number of people? The concept of percentages existed 30 years ago so that should have been included. Good journalism would have approached this question with facts, not unsubstantiated innuendos. If statistics had backed up their claim, then the next step would be to question how the machines could possibly determine the race of the ticket purchaser.

            There are a number of people here who believe the lottery is rigged so that only California gets the lions share of jackpot wins. Are they correct because California does seem to win more than the average, or does the truth lie in the fact that statistically the odds fall in California's favor?

            Coincidence or a suggestive pattern does not a fact make. 

            This was shoddy journalism posing a potentially inflammatory theory in order to sell magazines. Because here's a fact, if every single black person and every single white person bought a ticket, more white people would still win the jackpots. Why? Because there are more white people than black people in this country. So statistically that outcome is expected. Show me evidence that blacks buy more tickets than whites and still win disproportionately less than whites and then I might entertain the notion that something is fishy, otherwise this is a non-starter. 

            Well Ebony magazine at the time did not give any statiscal Numbers so it's a fallacy on their part for not doing this. i don't think blacks play mm, pb, or any of the big jackpot games than they play pick 3 or 4, or any pick 5 games. It is hard to keep stats on winners by state and by race. Because the lotteries don't have the time break that down. But i would love to see the results of that if it ever happened. I can't argue with the point you made because it is valid.

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              All l am going to say is this:

              Just as the winning lottery ticket could be either a self pick or a Quick Pick- the vending machine or convenience store clerk does not " look at the person handing over their play slip and press a button that says " If player is White- press *1-...." If Black, Asian, Hispanic or other- press *2.. BEFORE sending the play slip through the machine.

              That's my final answer and l am standing by it....

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                At best we can say lottery players are 18 and over or whatever the minimum age is, buying tickets anonymously, and the majority of wins are prizes under $600 with no record of who wins what. Someone could keep statistics on MM, PB, or state lotto games jackpot winners, but because only a tiny percentage of players win jackpots, those statistics are basically useless.

                It's like a LP poll asking what members do for a living and how much a year they make. Even if every answer is the truth, it is still based on very small sampling of LP members. Someone will say "lotteries are taxes on the poor" until somebody asks them to explain how poor people could spend $172 million just on the last five PB drawings.

                People from all three races play lottery games, sell tickets, and win prizes with no way of knowing who wins what.

                And Stack 47 it would be great if the lotteries did something like this to break down the stats of who wins by states and race. It would probably dispel or prove a lot of myths and finger pointing. Like i said earlier when i talked to this woman, and she said lots of black folks win some prizes they just don't get the attention because the amount of money is too small.

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                  3?

                  Asians

                  Black

                  Caucasian

                  Hispanics

                  Native Americans

                  Taurus$

                  Everything is in proportion to population.

                  Also, where I live it seems blacks play Pick 3 a lot more than any other game.

                  Nope there are still just three races of humans indigenous to this planet.

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                    Now that I think about it I remember reading in the last TLC commission meeting minutes that they did conduct a poll of sorts breaking down age, ethnic, and games. I didn't spend much time reading that part of the minutes as it just didn't mean anything to me. Anyone interested can go to the Texas Lottery website and click the links to read the minutes of the meetings.

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                      And Stack 47 it would be great if the lotteries did something like this to break down the stats of who wins by states and race. It would probably dispel or prove a lot of myths and finger pointing. Like i said earlier when i talked to this woman, and she said lots of black folks win some prizes they just don't get the attention because the amount of money is too small.

                      I'd be a little concerned with people being asked their race when they win some lottery money. This is not a college admission process and I don't see any value added by doing this for a lottery.

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                        I scanned this from a book I have called Lottery Winners' Guide: When it Happens to You. It tells the percentage of lottery players based on race.  Since more white people play the lottery it's obvious that they will have more winners.

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                        But I agree with everyone else. The terminal that picks the numbers and the balls that are drawn don't care what color someone is. All that matters is that you pick the right numbers.

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                          Lottery is pure luck. Gender, age, race, location of ticket purchase don't matter.  Older people tend to play more than young people and more than 60% of the country population is white so

                          That money's gone fo ever

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                            I'm pretty much a bigot when it comes to the lottery.

                            I only want me to win.

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                              Nope there are still just three races of humans indigenous to this planet.

                              OK, Black, White, Yellow Red and some say Brown. So which does Stack deem not a race?

                              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                              Lep

                              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.