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Posted: October 24, 2015, 2:47 pm - IP Logged

bobby623, which is a benchmark, or base, to be fixed = may be the last draw with their adjcentes? can be in position?
a fixed number?

    bobby623's avatar - abstract
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    This is  a strange post on several levels.

    In your prior post you say everything we're discussing is "Greek" to you. Like the French police detective told the girl in the Transporter film, "Before you cook the fish, you much catch the fish." And I think the same holds true here, before you dismiss an idea, you should understand it. What don't you understand?

    I have no problem with your refusal to use pretest draws, but the question arises: Since the pretests are done with the machine and ball set used for the live drawing, how can there be a disconnect? What contamination is being introduced by using one set of balls and one machine, drawing six sets of numbers and calling the last set the live draw? Are you suggesting the Lottery Commission is being less than truthful about five sets of numbers that mean absolutely nothing?

    There was a time I frowned on pretests too. But after running pretest separate from live draws and with live draws and comparing those with results from the overall matrix many, many times, I've rarely seen more than a few percentage point difference in any of the results. To use pretests, or not to use pretests is only going to affect the results when you have very small amounts of data to work with, such as 22 draws. But with 22 draws much of the data is unknown and all results are skewed in one way or another unless you extrapolate and compare them to a larger set,in this case, the matrix. 

    Since they are using the same machine, same ball set, why, other than personal preference, should those sets be ignored? Does it matter if the machine and ball set were set aside for two hours before the live draw, or perhaps two weeks between usage?

    And if you've ever built anything you know that no matter how hard to try no two of anything is exactly identical. Each item will have its own feel, "personality" so to speak. In that way, would you not have a disconnect between each machine? And each ball set? So then we have to make charts for all the ball sets and machines so that data for machine A doesn't get contaminated by data from machine B. And we have to make sure  ball sets 1 through 8 have their own charts with the proper machine to eliminate any possible disconnect.

    Of course, unless you look at the pretest page, you can't tell which ball sets have been used in the last 5 draws. Or which machine. And where people have made that argument, no one has ever produced statistics that show any specific machine or ball set combination offers any advantage.

    But if you have any tangible proof of a disconnect, please post it. It would enlighten all of us who spend a great deal of time charting statistics of many games.

    Since the player only gets to choose 7 numbers, charting 10 numbers is unnecessary. Why make work, when there is enough dealing with 7? 7 is all you need to win. 7 is all you get to mark on your playslip, so 7 is enough. And as has been shown concentrating on 7 of 35 does not reduce the odds of hitting a jackpot.

    Don't get me wrong, I understand your affinity for this particular means of arriving at your combinations. It's much the same as RL, RJOH, and I have all admitted: We still do much of our coding they way we learned to code. It's not always progressive, or nice, neat, and up to date, but it gets the job done. So I understand how you feel when people introduce new ideas to streamline your approach.

    People need tangible reasons to use a cumbersome, time consuming method to do something when offered a much cleaner, faster solution.

    Sorry.

    Gary,
    One Universal trait about lottery system players is that we 'track' stuff.
    The only 'stuff' available with TTC are the 10-integer combinations.
    The 'disconnect' I refer to is in the way TTC is played as opposed to other lottery games.
    In Cash 5, we know we win the jackpot when our 5 choices are in the winning combination.
    With TTC, we need to correctly choose 7 of the 10 integers the mixing machine puts out, but we are not given any information about the 7-integer combinations.
    We only know that it was three of the 1,691,064 possible 7-integer combinations were jackpot winners.
    My opinion is that we can reduce the total number of possible 7-integer combinations by using substitution.
    We just have to keep in mind that the letter 'A' is a 'place holder' for nine integers, etc.
    I don't know what the lesser number is, and I don't really need to know, as far as my workout is concerned.
    My workout is based on winning combinations only.
    Corrrectly guessing what the next pretest combination will be doesn't pay a cent.
    And the only combinations available for tracking purposes are the 10-integer combinations.
    The task is finding rational and logical methods that use the 10-integer combinations history to generate 7-integer combinations that have a chance of winning.
    Whether you like it or not, I've outlined a plan I believe will one day help me make all the correct choices I need to win $100,000.
    I've detailed the procedures that are free for all to use.
    The lottery folks would have us believe that we can't win. They even rub it in our faces by giving us 2 free chances.
    But, I intend to keep trying.
    It's challenging entertainment, that's a lot cheaper than some of the other things I could spend my money on.
    Regarding the "Greek" statement.
    Over the years I've encountered a great number of statistical charts based on probability, odds or whatever.
    Unfortunately, these charts lack one very critical element. That is, they never include any "how to use" guidance.
    Having a lengthy list of possible 7-Alpha or 7-Integer combinations is one thing, but they are worthless if we don't know how to choose the combination that has the best chance of being the next winner.
    In my mind, mathematical and statistical charts without the required guidance are
    just information that is in the 'nice to know but so what' category.
    Good luck with whatever system or workout you are using for TTC.

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      Gary,
      One Universal trait about lottery system players is that we 'track' stuff.
      The only 'stuff' available with TTC are the 10-integer combinations.
      The 'disconnect' I refer to is in the way TTC is played as opposed to other lottery games.
      In Cash 5, we know we win the jackpot when our 5 choices are in the winning combination.
      With TTC, we need to correctly choose 7 of the 10 integers the mixing machine puts out, but we are not given any information about the 7-integer combinations.
      We only know that it was three of the 1,691,064 possible 7-integer combinations were jackpot winners.
      My opinion is that we can reduce the total number of possible 7-integer combinations by using substitution.
      We just have to keep in mind that the letter 'A' is a 'place holder' for nine integers, etc.
      I don't know what the lesser number is, and I don't really need to know, as far as my workout is concerned.
      My workout is based on winning combinations only.
      Corrrectly guessing what the next pretest combination will be doesn't pay a cent.
      And the only combinations available for tracking purposes are the 10-integer combinations.
      The task is finding rational and logical methods that use the 10-integer combinations history to generate 7-integer combinations that have a chance of winning.
      Whether you like it or not, I've outlined a plan I believe will one day help me make all the correct choices I need to win $100,000.
      I've detailed the procedures that are free for all to use.
      The lottery folks would have us believe that we can't win. They even rub it in our faces by giving us 2 free chances.
      But, I intend to keep trying.
      It's challenging entertainment, that's a lot cheaper than some of the other things I could spend my money on.
      Regarding the "Greek" statement.
      Over the years I've encountered a great number of statistical charts based on probability, odds or whatever.
      Unfortunately, these charts lack one very critical element. That is, they never include any "how to use" guidance.
      Having a lengthy list of possible 7-Alpha or 7-Integer combinations is one thing, but they are worthless if we don't know how to choose the combination that has the best chance of being the next winner.
      In my mind, mathematical and statistical charts without the required guidance are
      just information that is in the 'nice to know but so what' category.
      Good luck with whatever system or workout you are using for TTC.

      Unfortunately, these charts lack one very critical element. That is, they never include any "how to use" guidance.

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        Unfortunately, these charts lack one very critical element. That is, they never include any "how to use" guidance.

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        Unfortunately, these letters have a very critical element. That is, never include any "how to use" orientation???. It is because it needs a reference, or fixed point, not walk to in circles, perhaps because positions, perhaps? rotary standards?]
        Play for more numbers in sweepstakes?

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          Bobby is right, programmers create programs and charts, but you are on your own for the selection.

          On the other side, some push the math and blind people without comprehension.

          A roulette is hard to beat. Does anyone know how?

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            Let me repeat the questions:

            Where is the disconnect between the pretests and the live draws when the same machine and same ball sets are used for both?

            If a disconnect exists in the pretests and live draws using the same machines, doesn't a greater disconnect exist between machines and ball sets?

            Your above quoted post is now in the "doesn't answer the question and don't need to know any of this" category.

            My greatest accomplishment is teaching cats about Vienna Sausage. When I need a friend, all I need do is walk outside, pop open a can, and every little critter in the neighborhood drops by to say "Hi!"

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              Let me repeat the questions:

              Where is the disconnect between the pretests and the live draws when the same machine and same ball sets are used for both?

              If a disconnect exists in the pretests and live draws using the same machines, doesn't a greater disconnect exist between machines and ball sets?

              Your above quoted post is now in the "doesn't answer the question and don't need to know any of this" category.

              Show the data or shut up.

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                Show the data or shut up.

                I pity your poor mother. She tried to teach you some manners. Unfortunately some children refuse to learn.

                My greatest accomplishment is teaching cats about Vienna Sausage. When I need a friend, all I need do is walk outside, pop open a can, and every little critter in the neighborhood drops by to say "Hi!"

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                  I pity your poor mother. She tried to teach you some manners. Unfortunately some children refuse to learn.

                  Stick to the subject. You must have been an awful student.

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                    Stick to the subject. You must have been an awful student.

                    This subject is too hard for you.

                    You admit you can't read charts.

                    You can't hold a civil conversation.

                    You can't follow a thread.

                    About all you could do to be helpful is to let the adults hold a mature discussion, but that would asking too much for a person of your maturity level.

                    Don't you have Cartoon Network you can watch since mom obviously impounded your Big Wheel for playing in the street again?

                    My greatest accomplishment is teaching cats about Vienna Sausage. When I need a friend, all I need do is walk outside, pop open a can, and every little critter in the neighborhood drops by to say "Hi!"

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                      Are you bored or something?

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                        Went ahead and did the breakdown for the Texas Triple Chance 77/55/10 game......

                        For this I used all draws, pretest and live draws (including last nights result) , bringing the total to 175.

                        That includes all 10 numbers drawn. N1-N10 is position indicator. Reading down,we see there has been 152 numbers below 10 drawn in the first position (lowest number, if you wish), 21 numbers have been drawn in the 10 - 19 range in the first position, and only 2 (both 21's) drawn from the 20-29 range.

                        Across we see 152 below 10 in the first, 89 below 10 in the 2nd, 36 below 10 in the third.....etc. TOTALS show 290 numbers below 10 have been drawn overall. Keep in mind there are only 9 numbers contained in the below 10 set. Finally, we have the AVERAGE per draw. The below 10 set averages 1.66 numbers per draw. The 50+ set contains on 6 numbers total.

                        If we consider the breakpoint at 29, our first three sets, below 10, 10-19, and 20-29 have produced 942 hits. The last three sets have produced 808.

                        Moving the breakpoint to 35 we find 1132 hits verus 618 for the higher end. (This is not in this chart.)

                        One inescapable fact: The highest number drawn has been 40 to 55 in 173 of the 175 draws. And as we see 50+ averages slighly over 1 per draw.

                        Looking at the 7 position, N7, we see 134 numbers have hit from 1 to 39. In the full chart (which I'll post) using the breakpoint of 35 we see 90 numbers have hit from 1 to 35 and 87 from 35 to 55. IMHO, that's close enough for a government 50/50.

                        LOW is the lowest number to hit in a given position. HIGH is the highest.

                        LOSUM is lowest sum. HISUM is higest sum. Just some oddball worthless factoid left over from some worthless oddball thought to see what it was. Nothing of import.

                        If you play this game, this may help (may not) in deciding your pairs and triples.

                        Here's the expanded (PITA) chart. About the only use I have for these is setting my ranges for the different positions. In this case, we see the ranging from say 10 - 13 numbers to a possible 25 - 26, depending on how tight the grouping you want.

                        7/55175
                        NBRN1N2N3N4N5N6N7N8N9N10
                        1=33000000000
                        2=291100000000
                        3=17430000000
                        4=251431000000
                        5=111761000000
                        6=131662000000
                        7=8953000000
                        8=9964100000
                        9=7970100000
                        10=413123000000
                        11=81275200000
                        12=28135400000
                        13=49106300000
                        14=01585130000
                        15=061611400000
                        16=23107331000
                        17=08611622000
                        18=1458710000
                        19=0086951000
                        20=029101021000
                        21=22361270000
                        22=01812642000
                        23=00513542000
                        24=0068992000
                        25=00312953400
                        26=0118665010
                        27=01281383300
                        28=0013101110100
                        29=004111124200
                        30=010481112100
                        31=00144134300
                        32=0003687820
                        33=00026510210
                        34=000151012420
                        35=00004109610
                        36=000228111010
                        37=00101816771
                        38=00001561100
                        39=000011111051
                        40=00003461130
                        41=0000115771
                        42=000014616121
                        43=00000181473
                        44=000001310133
                        45=00000057164
                        46=00000226136
                        47=00000108127
                        48=000000561213
                        49=000000181510
                        50=00000005511
                        51=000000041317
                        52=000000001322
                        53=000000011020
                        54=00000000427
                        55=00000000028

                        Good luck!

                        My greatest accomplishment is teaching cats about Vienna Sausage. When I need a friend, all I need do is walk outside, pop open a can, and every little critter in the neighborhood drops by to say "Hi!"

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                          Gary:
                          Good morning!
                          Thanks for the chart. I'm going to try and find a place for the data in my workout.
                          Question
                          How many 7-integer permutations are there in a 10-integer combination.
                          Example
                          Last 10-integer combination is: 12.18.21.22.43.45.46.47.51.53.
                          How many 7-integer permutations/combinations????
                          How about: 6.9.19.27.32.33.41.42.51.52
                          TLC tells us that there are winners, but they don't give us the winning combinations.
                          Be good to know how many possibilities there were, and some idea of what the winning 7-integer permutation could have been.
                          Thanks

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                            Gary:
                            Good morning!
                            Thanks for the chart. I'm going to try and find a place for the data in my workout.
                            Question
                            How many 7-integer permutations are there in a 10-integer combination.
                            Example
                            Last 10-integer combination is: 12.18.21.22.43.45.46.47.51.53.
                            How many 7-integer permutations/combinations????
                            How about: 6.9.19.27.32.33.41.42.51.52
                            TLC tells us that there are winners, but they don't give us the winning combinations.
                            Be good to know how many possibilities there were, and some idea of what the winning 7-integer permutation could have been.
                            Thanks

                            Bobby,

                            There is 120 combinations in any 7 of 10.

                            Not something TLC thinks you need to know.

                            My greatest accomplishment is teaching cats about Vienna Sausage. When I need a friend, all I need do is walk outside, pop open a can, and every little critter in the neighborhood drops by to say "Hi!"