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pencil and paper

[ 16 ]

[ 29.1% ]

excel or other spreadsheet

[ 11 ]

[ 20.0% ]

excel + macros

[ 3 ]

[ 5.4% ]

database package

[ 0 ]

[ 0.0% ]

self-written software

[ 6 ]

[ 10.9% ]

commercial software (PC or MAC)

[ 5 ]

[ 9.1% ]

website subscription

[ 1 ]

[ 1.8% ]

more than 1 of the above

[ 8 ]

[ 14.6% ]

none of the above

[ 5 ]

[ 9.1% ]

Total valid votes

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Discarded votes

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lakerben

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Dec 22, 2015, 10:07 pm

Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on Dec 22, 2015
I also use Excel because I know exactly what I setup and how it works. I have taken most of the processes that I have read about here on LP and incorporated them into workbooks. I have workbooks for Pick3, Pick4, and Pick 5/39. I have been focusing lately on Pick4 using Strings, Formulas, Hot, Cold, Odd, Even, Sums, Pairs, Mirrors, Position Changes. My processes are scattered around my computer desktop like papers piled high enough to hid my real desk. Eventually I will get them all combined into a workbook that spits out enough winners to be profitable (When I make the right decisions.).

I always have to guess or select something to initiate the selection process. My current work is to divide and concur. I figure that the game requires 4 decisions each with 1:10 odds, that when made give me a 1:10,000 chance of winning (straight) 1:417 of winning (Box). I have to make 4 correct decisions to win. I work a different decision. I reduce the decisions to 2 each with 1:5 odds. My system has a large variation in the number of combinations that result from each decision. I am also developing reference boxes feed by the decisions that have been getting box hits 2 out of 3 games. I am working on positioning so that I can hit more straights.

Someday..............

Great idea!

I hope you might upload this project once you are done.

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Tialuvslotto

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Dec 23, 2015, 7:03 am

Quote: Originally posted by AllenB on Dec 22, 2015
I also use Excel because I know exactly what I setup and how it works. I have taken most of the processes that I have read about here on LP and incorporated them into workbooks. I have workbooks for Pick3, Pick4, and Pick 5/39. I have been focusing lately on Pick4 using Strings, Formulas, Hot, Cold, Odd, Even, Sums, Pairs, Mirrors, Position Changes. My processes are scattered around my computer desktop like papers piled high enough to hid my real desk. Eventually I will get them all combined into a workbook that spits out enough winners to be profitable (When I make the right decisions.).

I always have to guess or select something to initiate the selection process. My current work is to divide and concur. I figure that the game requires 4 decisions each with 1:10 odds, that when made give me a 1:10,000 chance of winning (straight) 1:417 of winning (Box). I have to make 4 correct decisions to win. I work a different decision. I reduce the decisions to 2 each with 1:5 odds. My system has a large variation in the number of combinations that result from each decision. I am also developing reference boxes feed by the decisions that have been getting box hits 2 out of 3 games. I am working on positioning so that I can hit more straights.

Someday..............

"I always have to guess or select something to initiate the selection process."

For me that "something" is my Vtracs spreadsheet. Reducing things down to only 5 digits makes it easier to spot the patterns, and much easier to guess what is going to fall next, at least I find it so. Of course, since each Vtrac represents 2 "real" digits you are still making a decision at each position.

"There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

~Robert A. Heinlein
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Dec 26, 2015, 11:56 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Tialuvslotto on Dec 23, 2015
"I always have to guess or select something to initiate the selection process."

For me that "something" is my Vtracs spreadsheet. Reducing things down to only 5 digits makes it easier to spot the patterns, and much easier to guess what is going to fall next, at least I find it so. Of course, since each Vtrac represents 2 "real" digits you are still making a decision at each position.

I agree, and one could even reduce things down to 4 digits, because in the main, 0,4,5 and 9 can all be grouped as one.

Lottery Lore says "A past draw is the centerpoint of a circle - a black hole. Two overlapping circles whose centerpoints sit on the circumference of the other share a Common Radius. This Radius is a wormhole - it allows both draws (info) to safely travel into and beyond the other draw's event horizon without negative distortion, thereby creating an entanglement (synchrony) between the two communicating draws. This entangled space is the Vesica Piscis - the white hole or Stargate through which the next draw is born."
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Dec 27, 2015, 6:53 am

Quote: Originally posted by Kola on Dec 26, 2015
I agree, and one could even reduce things down to 4 digits, because in the main, 0,4,5 and 9 can all be grouped as one.

That's an interesting idea, Kola.

It essentially boils the game down to a few decisions:

-Will the 0,4,5 or 9 show or not? 80% of the time the answer will be "Yes".

-If 0,4,5,9 show, will it be a single, a pair or a triple?

-Which of the other 3 digits will hit?

"There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

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Dec 27, 2015, 1:55 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Tialuvslotto on Dec 27, 2015
That's an interesting idea, Kola.

It essentially boils the game down to a few decisions:

-Will the 0,4,5 or 9 show or not? 80% of the time the answer will be "Yes".

-If 0,4,5,9 show, will it be a single, a pair or a triple?

-Which of the other 3 digits will hit?

Are you using Texas for this 80% statement?

It sure doesn't happen in other states such as New Mexico.

These percentages seem misleading and off base. Ridiculous!

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jimjwright

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Dec 29, 2015, 3:50 pm

For pick3 any randomly selected 4 digits equate to 784 straight combinations that contain at least one of the 4 digits. So the percentage is 78.4% mathematically speaking. There is nothing special about digits 0, 4, 5, 9 other than they equate to two VTrac digits. The digits 0, 1, 2, 3 have the same probability of hitting in the next draw but they span 4 VTrac digits. The grouping of the VTrac digits were completely arbitrary and a different grouping would perform the same.

Jimmy
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Dec 30, 2015, 7:27 am

Quote: Originally posted by jimjwright on Dec 29, 2015
For pick3 any randomly selected 4 digits equate to 784 straight combinations that contain at least one of the 4 digits. So the percentage is 78.4% mathematically speaking. There is nothing special about digits 0, 4, 5, 9 other than they equate to two VTrac digits. The digits 0, 1, 2, 3 have the same probability of hitting in the next draw but they span 4 VTrac digits. The grouping of the VTrac digits were completely arbitrary and a different grouping would perform the same.

Jimmy

Thanks for fielding that one, Jim!

I might add that I like the 0,4,5,9 scheme in preference to any other 4 number grouping, because 0 is most likely at low, 4 is the most likely digit at mid and 9 is most likely at the high position. Thus, it is fairly easy to place these digits as box combos.

0xx, x4x, x5x, xx9

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Dec 30, 2015, 11:42 am

Quote: Originally posted by jimjwright on Dec 29, 2015
For pick3 any randomly selected 4 digits equate to 784 straight combinations that contain at least one of the 4 digits. So the percentage is 78.4% mathematically speaking. There is nothing special about digits 0, 4, 5, 9 other than they equate to two VTrac digits. The digits 0, 1, 2, 3 have the same probability of hitting in the next draw but they span 4 VTrac digits. The grouping of the VTrac digits were completely arbitrary and a different grouping would perform the same.

Jimmy

I don't use percentages to bet. Show this as proof instead of just stating that 0,4,5,9 hits in 78 % of draws I don't buy it. You use 78 % of the pool of 1000 numbers but due to repeats, trends etc these percentages don't hold true. What is available in the 1000 possibilities and what hits over a span of time are two different things. Go to lotsoft program and analye any state and you will find combinations that have a 0,4,5,9 digit and they are out several draws ,so this is proof these digits that are in the pool dont hit at 78 %.

Using this as a way to analyze the past 50 draws,100 draws etc. Is a waste of time. I don't see a 0,4,5,9 in 78 % of the last 10 draws of nmp3.

Baloney!

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Dec 30, 2015, 9:58 pm

Using Lottery Post's Deflate 3 and filtering for any straight combination containing 0,4,5,9 shows that there are 784 combinations or 78.4% chance of event happening on any particular draw.

I agree that in the in the short term there will be variance but over a statistically significant number of draws on a non-bias lottery machine it will approach the number stated.

784 Combinations

Ham n Cheese!

Jimmy
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Dec 30, 2015, 10:12 pm

Quote: Originally posted by jimjwright on Dec 30, 2015
Using Lottery Post's Deflate 3 and filtering for any straight combination containing 0,4,5,9 shows that there are 784 combinations or 78.4% chance of event happening on any particular draw.

I agree that in the in the short term there will be variance but over a statistically significant number of draws on a non-bias lottery machine it will approach the number stated.

784 Combinations

Ham n Cheese!

Jimmy

I don't think so. There is alot of variance in the game. You are talking apples and oranges. What can hit and what really hits are why we bet ,but the percentages are way off. That's why I cringe when someone makes a blanket statement of what could hit. Nice try but not realistic or acccurate.

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jimjwright

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Dec 31, 2015, 12:47 am

The following is the month of December for New Mexico Pick 3 you have had 39 draws out of 52 that have had a 0,4,5,9 in the combination or 39/52 = 0.75 or 75% of the draws which is not far from the math expectation of 78.4%.

NewMexico-Pick3-December-2015

So lets see what the months of November and December did. Month of November was 45 of 50. So if we add them together we get 84 of 102 draws for months of November and December that have had a 0, 4, 5, 9 in them. 84/102 = 82%.

NewMexico-Pick3-November-December-2015

December, Actual 75% versus math expectation of 78.4%

November&December, Actual 82% versus math expectation of 78.4%

Sure seems like New Mexico Pick 3 lottery is tracking the math expectation of 78.4%.

You obviously don't like the 784 combinations.

So lets say it another way instead of finding the combinations that contain 0,4,5,9 lets calculate the number of combinations that don't contain 0,4,5,9.

Well that's easy its 6x6x6= 216. There are 216 combinations that don't contain 0,4,5,9. There is nothing special about these digits so yes we can make a blanket statement that if you choose any 4 digits you will expect them to hit 78.4% of the time unless you have a bias machine.

That's why its useful to do these math calculations if you find a machine that is significantly different than the math expectation then you should be able to beat it for money especially for the lotteries that use RNG machines.

Jimmy
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Dec 31, 2015, 2:21 am

Quote: Originally posted by jimjwright on Dec 31, 2015
The following is the month of December for New Mexico Pick 3 you have had 39 draws out of 52 that have had a 0,4,5,9 in the combination or 39/52 = 0.75 or 75% of the draws which is not far from the math expectation of 78.4%.

NewMexico-Pick3-December-2015

So lets see what the months of November and December did. Month of November was 45 of 50. So if we add them together we get 84 of 102 draws for months of November and December that have had a 0, 4, 5, 9 in them. 84/102 = 82%.

NewMexico-Pick3-November-December-2015

December, Actual 75% versus math expectation of 78.4%

November&December, Actual 82% versus math expectation of 78.4%

Sure seems like New Mexico Pick 3 lottery is tracking the math expectation of 78.4%.

You obviously don't like the 784 combinations.

So lets say it another way instead of finding the combinations that contain 0,4,5,9 lets calculate the number of combinations that don't contain 0,4,5,9.

Well that's easy its 6x6x6= 216. There are 216 combinations that don't contain 0,4,5,9. There is nothing special about these digits so yes we can make a blanket statement that if you choose any 4 digits you will expect them to hit 78.4% of the time unless you have a bias machine.

That's why its useful to do these math calculations if you find a machine that is significantly different than the math expectation then you should be able to beat it for money especially for the lotteries that use RNG machines.

Jimmy

There is a significant amount of money to be spent to cover these digits. Two months doesn't cover the whole year so betting percentages means huge losses. The other 10 months would be spent chasing percentages. I won't bet that way.

0xx

4xx

5xx

9xx

One digit doesnt pay and a back or front pair in NM only nets $5, so it's a wash.

I bet with my experience not with percentages because thats only something on this site that impresses people. The only thing I want is winners. The only percentage that means anything in gambling is 50%, you either win or lose.

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jimjwright

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Dec 31, 2015, 11:27 am

The only thing I have commented on in this topic is the math related to the following statement since this is the math forum.

-Will the 0,4,5 or 9 show or not? 80% of the time the answer will be "Yes".

I have not endorsed this statement as either a good or bad strategy when it comes to Pick3.

Good luck with your strategies, methods, and betting.

Jimmy
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Jan 3, 2016, 1:48 pm

I have been using the test draws for the powerball.. and breaking the numbers down by draw machine and ball set... so far I have done this by hand.. does anybody know a way I can do this with software.. the other website I used is THE LUCKY GENE ... good website.. good software wheels.. but does not analyze the test draw data so I am stuck here now... I could use some help... are we able to exchange phone numbers on this website.. I am based out of Massachusetts if anybody is local.. we could get together and go over the test draws.. also.. is there any way possible to find out which ball machine and ball set is going to be used for the night draw...

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