Welcome Guest
Log In | Register )
You last visited January 17, 2017, 8:34 pm
All times shown are
Eastern Time (GMT-5:00)

System Question

Topic closed. 19 replies. Last post 12 months ago by Tialuvslotto.

Page 1 of 2
51
PrintE-mailLink
Avatar
Lincoln, California
United States
Member #167130
June 27, 2015
256 Posts
Offline
Posted: January 28, 2016, 4:12 pm - IP Logged

A formula or process, produces a number or a second formula that equals a number.  If that process is only successful 10% of the time is it 90% capable of predicting the number will not be next?  Could a few of these eliminate numbers from the next draw effectively"

I know the process of formula is anchored in the past.  The next draw has no anchor; but, if you could add this negative prediction to your other process results could you weed out losers?

    Avatar

    United States
    Member #35335
    March 16, 2006
    116 Posts
    Offline
    Posted: January 28, 2016, 4:26 pm - IP Logged

    A formula or process, produces a number or a second formula that equals a number.  If that process is only successful 10% of the time is it 90% capable of predicting the number will not be next?  Could a few of these eliminate numbers from the next draw effectively"

    I know the process of formula is anchored in the past.  The next draw has no anchor; but, if you could add this negative prediction to your other process results could you weed out losers?

    Let's take the daily 3.  Typically, one may try to find the 3 most likely numbers to hit.  Are you asking for a formula to find the 7 least likely numbers to hit?  Or, are you asking to eliminate one unlikely number which leaves you to pick 3 out of 9 with some confidence?

      Avatar
      Lincoln, California
      United States
      Member #167130
      June 27, 2015
      256 Posts
      Offline
      Posted: January 28, 2016, 4:47 pm - IP Logged

      The Later.  I'm trying to eliminate some numbers by a series of eliminations.  Not much different than just picking a number at random that won't hit, but with a system that calculates the miss by a consistent formula or process.

        mmx1's avatar - 8ball

        Canada
        Member #90040
        April 20, 2010
        487 Posts
        Online
        Posted: January 28, 2016, 7:12 pm - IP Logged

        You're in CA and here is one of my elimination / winning methods.

        In the last 188 combined SINGLES draws it happened that a max two consecutive times 2 or 3 of digits 034579  were not in the draw. After two consecutive skips they have always showed up again. This evening we have this situation where 2 or 3 of these digits didn't show up in the last two consecutive SINGLES draws.

         

        This wheel has 80 of 120 total SINGLES (every combo here has 2 or 3 of digits 034579):

        013 014 015 017 019 023 024 025 027 029 034 035 036 037 038 039 045 046 047 048 049 056 057 058 059 067 069 078 079 089 134 135 137 139 145 147 149 157 159 179 234 235 237 239 245 247 249 257 259 279 345 346 347 348 349 356 357 358 359 367 369 378 379 389 456 457 458 459 467 469 478 479 489 567 569 578 579 589 679 789

         

        Only 20 combinations if you bet on all 3 of them (every combo here has 3 of digits 034579):

        034 035 037 039 045 047 049 057 059 079 345 347 349 357 359 379 457 459 479 579

         

        When Doubles and Triples show up you don't win, but if you play only once when this situation occurs you would be still making a money.

        Another important thing, if you always play 3 of 6 digits after 2nd skip you have to use a progressive (but no too much aggressive) betting. 

        Just bet enough to cover recent losses. It'll be other times where you make money from the more frequent winnings.

         

        This is the analysis result in only one line for the last 140 Singles in CA:


                       M      C L                                      T      D  C 
                T    M a      u a                               T      o      i  u 
                o    a x      r s                       T       o      t      g  r 
                t    x S      r t          D            o       t                r 
                       k                   i            t              S      O     
                H    S p      S S          g                    C      c      c  S 
                i    k Q      k k          i            W       o      o      c  k 
                t    i t      i i          t            i       s      r      u  i 
                s    p y      p p          s            n       t      e      r  p    <<--Recent skip pattern<<-- 


           2.  92    2(13)          034579  view  13800  -11200   2600    251    1   2  1 1 0 0 0 2  0 1 0 1 1 1.

          Avatar
          Lincoln, California
          United States
          Member #167130
          June 27, 2015
          256 Posts
          Offline
          Posted: January 28, 2016, 8:13 pm - IP Logged

          You're in CA and here is one of my elimination / winning methods.

          In the last 188 combined SINGLES draws it happened that a max two consecutive times 2 or 3 of digits 034579  were not in the draw. After two consecutive skips they have always showed up again. This evening we have this situation where 2 or 3 of these digits didn't show up in the last two consecutive SINGLES draws.

           

          This wheel has 80 of 120 total SINGLES (every combo here has 2 or 3 of digits 034579):

          013 014 015 017 019 023 024 025 027 029 034 035 036 037 038 039 045 046 047 048 049 056 057 058 059 067 069 078 079 089 134 135 137 139 145 147 149 157 159 179 234 235 237 239 245 247 249 257 259 279 345 346 347 348 349 356 357 358 359 367 369 378 379 389 456 457 458 459 467 469 478 479 489 567 569 578 579 589 679 789

           

          Only 20 combinations if you bet on all 3 of them (every combo here has 3 of digits 034579):

          034 035 037 039 045 047 049 057 059 079 345 347 349 357 359 379 457 459 479 579

           

          When Doubles and Triples show up you don't win, but if you play only once when this situation occurs you would be still making a money.

          Another important thing, if you always play 3 of 6 digits after 2nd skip you have to use a progressive (but no too much aggressive) betting. 

          Just bet enough to cover recent losses. It'll be other times where you make money from the more frequent winnings.

           

          This is the analysis result in only one line for the last 140 Singles in CA:


                         M      C L                                      T      D  C 
                  T    M a      u a                               T      o      i  u 
                  o    a x      r s                       T       o      t      g  r 
                  t    x S      r t          D            o       t                r 
                         k                   i            t              S      O     
                  H    S p      S S          g                    C      c      c  S 
                  i    k Q      k k          i            W       o      o      c  k 
                  t    i t      i i          t            i       s      r      u  i 
                  s    p y      p p          s            n       t      e      r  p    <<--Recent skip pattern<<-- 


             2.  92    2(13)          034579  view  13800  -11200   2600    251    1   2  1 1 0 0 0 2  0 1 0 1 1 1.

          Thank You.  I will study this and add it as a step in my elimination-inclusion process. 

          I have been looking at the average of the last 3 picks for each position of the next draw.  In about 90% of draws this average number is not selected.  The results show the percentages for the difference between the average and the actual draw.  0 means a match.  I am also tracking when this match occurs to try to use it either as an inclusion or as the selection.

            mmx1's avatar - 8ball

            Canada
            Member #90040
            April 20, 2010
            487 Posts
            Online
            Posted: January 28, 2016, 8:20 pm - IP Logged

            Thank You.  I will study this and add it as a step in my elimination-inclusion process. 

            I have been looking at the average of the last 3 picks for each position of the next draw.  In about 90% of draws this average number is not selected.  The results show the percentages for the difference between the average and the actual draw.  0 means a match.  I am also tracking when this match occurs to try to use it either as an inclusion or as the selection.

            Can you clarify your method by posting an example?

              Avatar
              Lincoln, California
              United States
              Member #167130
              June 27, 2015
              256 Posts
              Offline
              Posted: January 28, 2016, 9:09 pm - IP Logged

              Can you clarify your method by posting an example?

              Table Showing Average of 3 Previous picks by position compared to next draw

              0 in the Dif column is a match.  Percentages of no match is 84% to 85%. 

              Average over Previous

              N1

              N2

              N3

              N4

              3

              Dif

              +

              -

              Dif

              +

              -

              Dif

              +

              -

              Dif

              +

              -

              *

              0

              15%

              *

              0

              16%

              *

              0

              14%

              *

              0

              16%

              Games

              1

              16%

              15%

              1

              16%

              18%

              1

              16%

              11%

              1

              12%

              14%

              200

              2

              10%

              14%

              2

              13%

              9%

              2

              15%

              12%

              2

              12%

              13%

              *

              3

              12%

              9%

              3

              9%

              8%

              3

              12%

              11%

              3

              11%

              11%

              *

              4

              4%

              3%

              4

              5%

              3%

              4

              3%

              5%

              4

              4%

              3%

              *

              5

              2%

              3%

              5

              1%

              3%

              5

              1%

              2%

              5

              4%

              4%

              *

              6

              0%

              0%

              6

              0%

              1%

              6

              0%

              1%

              6

              0%

              1%

              *

              7

              0%

              0%

              7

              0%

              0%

              7

              0%

              0%

              7

              0%

              0%

              *

              8

              0%

              0%

              8

              0%

              0%

              8

              0%

              0%

              8

              0%

              0%

              *

              9

              0%

              0%

              9

              0%

              0%

              9

              0%

              0%

              9

              0%

              0%

              B

              C

              D

              E

              Game

              N1

              AVG

              DIF

              N2

              AVG

              DIF

              N3

              AVG

              DIF

              N4

              AVG

              DIF

              2809

              9

              7

              2

              3

              4

              -1

              8

              4

              4

              4

              7

              -3

              2808

              5

              6

              -1

              4

              4

              0

              1

              3

              -2

              8

              5

              3

              2807

              6

              6

              0

              6

              4

              2

              2

              4

              -2

              8

              5

              3

              2806

              6

              6

              0

              2

              3

              -1

              6

              4

              2

              0

              5

              -5

              2805

              7

              6

              1

              5

              3

              2

              3

              3

              0

              7

              7

              0

              2804

              4

              6

              -2

              1

              4

              -3

              4

              3

              1

              9

              5

              4

              2803

              7

              5

              2

              4

              6

              -2

              3

              4

              -1

              4

              5

              -1

              2802

              6

              3

              3

              6

              5

              1

              2

              4

              -2

              2

              5

              -3

              2801

              1

              2

              -1

              8

              4

              4

              8

              5

              3

              8

              5

              3

              2800

              1

              2

              -1

              2

              2

              0

              2

              4

              -2

              6

              4

              2

              2799

              5

              4

              1

              2

              3

              -1

              5

              4

              1

              1

              3

              -2

              2798

              0

              5

              -5

              1

              4

              -3

              6

              5

              1

              4

              4

              0

              2797

              6

              5

              1

              7

              7

              0

              2

              5

              -3

              3

              3

              0

              2796

              8

              6

              2

              4

              6

              -2

              7

              4

              3

              6

              3

              3

              2795

              2

              3

              -1

              9

              5

              4

              6

              3

              3

              0

              3

              -3

              2794

              7

              5

              2

              6

              5

              1

              0

              3

              -3

              3

              5

              -2

              2793

              0

              3

              -3

              1

              6

              -5

              3

              5

              -2

              6

              4

              2

              2792

              8

              5

              3

              8

              7

              1

              7

              6

              1

              5

              2

              3

              2791

              2

              4

              -2

              9

              5

              4

              5

              6

              -1

              0

              1

              -1

                Avatar
                Lincoln, California
                United States
                Member #167130
                June 27, 2015
                256 Posts
                Offline
                Posted: January 28, 2016, 9:29 pm - IP Logged

                Another possible eliminator.  The Percentage of hits for a difference from -3 to +3 is 90%.  Probably because most averages are in the middle part of the numbers (0-9).  Adding or subtracting 4 or 5 to the average may also be an effective eliminator.

                  Avatar

                  United States
                  Member #116344
                  September 8, 2011
                  3941 Posts
                  Offline
                  Posted: January 28, 2016, 10:25 pm - IP Logged

                  A formula or process, produces a number or a second formula that equals a number.  If that process is only successful 10% of the time is it 90% capable of predicting the number will not be next?  Could a few of these eliminate numbers from the next draw effectively"

                  I know the process of formula is anchored in the past.  The next draw has no anchor; but, if you could add this negative prediction to your other process results could you weed out losers?

                  Why not find a process that generates N-string based on current draw?. N is the size of the string.

                  If the next draw has 'no anchor', then find a process to simulate  the pool(0 through 9) for forward-testing.

                    amber123's avatar - OpIFNim

                    United States
                    Member #164727
                    March 12, 2015
                    2656 Posts
                    Online
                    Posted: January 28, 2016, 11:12 pm - IP Logged

                    A formula or process, produces a number or a second formula that equals a number.  If that process is only successful 10% of the time is it 90% capable of predicting the number will not be next?  Could a few of these eliminate numbers from the next draw effectively"

                    I know the process of formula is anchored in the past.  The next draw has no anchor; but, if you could add this negative prediction to your other process results could you weed out losers?

                    The only issue I see right now is that ALL of the pick-3 numbers have to be wrong for this to work. Speaking for myself, I can predict two out of three numbers correctly, a good portion of the time for Florida. Mybe it's that elusive third digit we should track. Cool

                      Avatar
                      Maryland
                      United States
                      Member #162434
                      January 2, 2015
                      939 Posts
                      Online
                      Posted: January 29, 2016, 6:49 am - IP Logged

                      The only issue I see right now is that ALL of the pick-3 numbers have to be wrong for this to work. Speaking for myself, I can predict two out of three numbers correctly, a good portion of the time for Florida. Mybe it's that elusive third digit we should track. Cool

                      Great discussion and idea! I agree with amber123 as I often JUST miss by one digit. But when I go 'all in' on a 2 digit chase, it still doesn't work.   What?

                        Tialuvslotto's avatar - Jailin
                        Texas
                        United States
                        Member #150797
                        December 31, 2013
                        821 Posts
                        Offline
                        Posted: January 29, 2016, 7:26 am - IP Logged

                        This is an interesting question, AllenB, and one worth pursuing.  The problem for me is that all my spreadsheets are set up "backwards", i.e. looking for what will hit!

                        One place that I would look for a number that will not show is among numbers that have not been hitting recently.  If a digit has not hit for 7 games there is a 73% chance that it will not hit in the next game and a 27% chance that it will hit.  These streaks continue to decay at 27% per game, with the average streak being 2 games (2 out after the criterion of 7 no-hits is met).  But, half the time these digits will continue to miss for protracted periods, up to a maximum of 20 or more games.  When you find one of these digits you are truly playing a Pick 3 of 9 game.

                        "There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

                        ~Robert A. Heinlein

                          mmx1's avatar - 8ball

                          Canada
                          Member #90040
                          April 20, 2010
                          487 Posts
                          Online
                          Posted: January 29, 2016, 8:34 am - IP Logged

                          This is an interesting question, AllenB, and one worth pursuing.  The problem for me is that all my spreadsheets are set up "backwards", i.e. looking for what will hit!

                          One place that I would look for a number that will not show is among numbers that have not been hitting recently.  If a digit has not hit for 7 games there is a 73% chance that it will not hit in the next game and a 27% chance that it will hit.  These streaks continue to decay at 27% per game, with the average streak being 2 games (2 out after the criterion of 7 no-hits is met).  But, half the time these digits will continue to miss for protracted periods, up to a maximum of 20 or more games.  When you find one of these digits you are truly playing a Pick 3 of 9 game.

                          A single digit longest out is the most interesting to me too besides longest out doubles.

                          In this table are longest outs ready for today. If 1 dig has been out for more than 20 draws the chances are very high, but be aware that it could take up to 40 draws to show up. 

                           

                          Mor(xx1)  Mid(xx2)

                          State1 DigPairsDoublePos1Pos2Pos3ShortΣRootΣ
                          CT2 57-182      
                          IL2   4-61    
                          NC2      1-582-67
                          TX1   4-71    

                           

                          Eve(xx3) Ngt(xx4)

                          State1 DigPairsDoublePos1Pos2Pos3ShortΣRootΣ
                          CA4  17     
                          DC4       9-59
                          IA4 24-117     6-59
                          MD4    8-65   
                          MO4       7-59
                          NE4   0-61    
                          NJ4 18-121      
                          NY4      3-58 
                          OK47-17     8-70 
                          ON43-17       
                          PA41-16       
                          PR4      9-67 
                          WA4      9-79 

                           

                          Combined

                          State1 DigPairsDoublePos1Pos2Pos3ShortΣRootΣ
                          IA5 24-133      
                          MD5      1-55 
                          NJ5    9-62   
                          NY55-17       
                          OH5      2-88 
                          ON53-19       
                          PA5  13     
                          PR5  16     
                          TN52-16    7-61  
                          TX5 04-122      
                            SergeM's avatar - slow icon.png
                            Economy class
                            Belgium
                            Member #123700
                            February 27, 2012
                            4035 Posts
                            Offline
                            Posted: January 29, 2016, 9:25 am - IP Logged

                            Anything can happen.

                            All you could do is create some rule that you want to follow.

                            Flip a coin, what will be the next side up? Do you have a formula? - :)

                              Avatar
                              Lincoln, California
                              United States
                              Member #167130
                              June 27, 2015
                              256 Posts
                              Offline
                              Posted: January 29, 2016, 11:51 am - IP Logged

                              Why not find a process that generates N-string based on current draw?. N is the size of the string.

                              If the next draw has 'no anchor', then find a process to simulate  the pool(0 through 9) for forward-testing.

                              Interesting.  Not sure what you mean by N-String.  My original question on this post was looking for an elimination processes.  My example is just to illustrate one method.  Any Process or formula can be used.  The real question for me is when a process is only 10-15% successful in predicting a draw, is it also 85%-90% successful in predicting a number will not hit?

                              I know that just picking a number in a position has a 10% chance of being correct.  The idea makes me think about a process where you pick a number, declare it 90% likely not to hit, pick a second number (1-9) and so on.  By the idea you could get to the number by about the 4th or 5th pick.   I know this does not work any better than just picking a number.  Each selection has the same odds.  The only difference is that a formula or process produces a number based on a set of criteria that we track.  We all look for hits.  If a process is hits a number in a column 15% of the time vs the actual odds of the number hitting (10%) do you use it as a predictor or an eliminator. 

                              I see the elimination process as another tool to work into the Steps for Number predictions.  Lets say you have 4 or 5 processes or formulas that you use in your workout.  You back test them and determine their hit percentages.  We mostly look for hits; but most of the time they miss.  So why not track your results and start looking for trends with your success and failure rates.  Then change your predictions based on a combination of success and failure.

                              Successful Elimination of  just 1 number from each position still does not give you a winning formula, just slightly better odds of winning.

                              I have talked about a comprehensive workout using many different formulas, combinations, Ranking, Repeats, ......?  I always looked for hits.  I have seen that I never get them all using a 1 criteria for each number even if the criteria for each number is different, 1 is not enough.  I envision a setup that brings the various systems or formulas into a matrix with on-off switches that are flipped based on prediction from my previous success / failure.