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Posted: July 9, 2016, 6:22 pm - IP Logged

Thanks PS, I just put that on hold at the library.  Should be interesting!

For those interested in the book, I've found an older version at Archive right here:

https://archive.org/details/How_To_Be_Invisible_-The_Essential_Guide_to_Protecting_Your_Personal_Privacy_You

If you want to know what you're getting into before buying the book, read this version first. Some of the information is still good and some isn't, but the overall theme is the same.  More recent editions have been updated to reflect changes in law and technology. The author also has a website at jjluna.com, which has some good information.

No, I don't work for him or gain from any of this, but he makes some good points in his book and I'd follow his advice if I did win a big jackpot.

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    Guys it's just money. There's no need to live in fear if you win a lot of money. Sure there are <snip>s out there that might try to come at you one way or another. You'll have a legal team in place to handle the non physical stuff. And if you're smart, you'll move your residence where other people with money live. Usually means a gated community or a place with a lot of land. Your biggest concern will be trying to not get ripped off by lawyers and financial firms...Now go hit a massive jackpot and go live your life. 

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      Chances are you will never win so you will not need to worry about it. That's the last thing I would worry about. I say catch me if you can cause there's no telling where I will be.

      I Agree!*** You Can't Win, If You Don't Enter***

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        Posted: July 10, 2016, 4:39 am - IP Logged

        Guys it's just money. There's no need to live in fear if you win a lot of money. Sure there are <snip>s out there that might try to come at you one way or another. You'll have a legal team in place to handle the non physical stuff. And if you're smart, you'll move your residence where other people with money live. Usually means a gated community or a place with a lot of land. Your biggest concern will be trying to not get ripped off by lawyers and financial firms...Now go hit a massive jackpot and go live your life. 

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        I Agree!  starting to sound more like some kind of being in a witness protection Green laugh

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          The absolute 100% way to remain anonymous is to never claim the prize.Green laugh

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            Posted: July 11, 2016, 4:45 am - IP Logged

            The absolute 100% way to remain anonymous is to never claim the prize.Green laugh

            I Agree! the fake winners the lottery already has that one covered Thumbs Up

            Let it Snow Snowman

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              Posted: July 11, 2016, 4:50 am - IP Logged

              Are lottery prizes taxable?

              Lottery winnings of $600.01 and over are subject to Federal Withholding tax.  For winnings of $600.01, up to and including $5,000, you will be issued a W-2G form to report your winnings on your federal income tax form.  For winnings of $5,000.01 and over, your state's Department of Revenue removes the 25 percent federal withholding before you receive your winnings check (or, if it is an annuity, from each winnings check).  You then receive a W-2G form with each check to submit with your 1040 form to show that the 25 percent federal withholding already has been paid.  In addition to federal tax, your state will make additional withholdings for taxes, and most states will deduct other money that you may owe to the state, such as back taxes, child support, loan payments, etc.  In addition, like the federal tax withholding, the state tax withholding at the time of prize payout may not be the total state tax owed at the end of the year.  You must consult your state division of taxation for more information about the total state tax requirements for lottery winners.

              The state tax withholdings are as follows:

              Arizona 5% state withholding (Arizona residents), 6% state withholding (non-Arizona residents)
              Arkansas 7% state withholding
              California No state tax on lottery prizes
              Colorado 4% state withholding
              Connecticut 6.99% state withholding
              Delaware No state tax on lottery prizes
              Florida No state tax on lottery prizes
              Georgia 6% state withholding
              Idaho 7.4% state withholding
              Illinois 3.75% state withholding
              Indiana 3.4% state withholding
              Iowa 5% state withholding
              Kansas 5% state withholding
              Kentucky 6% state withholding
              Louisiana 5% state withholding
              Maine 5% state withholding
              Maryland 8.75% state withholding (Maryland residents), 7.5% state withholding (non-Maryland residents)
              Massachusetts 5% state withholding
              Michigan 4.25% state withholding
              Minnesota 7.25% state withholding
              Missouri 4% state withholding
              Montana 6.9% state withholding
              Nebraska 5% state withholding
              New Hampshire No state tax on lottery prizes
              New Jersey 8% state withholding
              New Mexico 6% state withholding
              New York 8.82% state withholding, plus: 3.876% (NYC residents), 1.323% (Yonkers residents)
              North Carolina 5.75% state withholding
              North Dakota 2.9% state withholding
              Ohio 4% state withholding
              Oklahoma 4% state withholding
              Oregon 8% state withholding
              Pennsylvania No state tax on lottery prizes
              Rhode Island 5.99% state withholding
              South Carolina 7% state withholding
              South Dakota No state tax on lottery prizes
              Tennessee No state tax on lottery prizes
              Texas No state tax on lottery prizes
              U.S. Virgin Islands  Unknown State Tax Rate
              Vermont 6% state withholding
              Virginia 4% state withholding
              Washington No state tax on lottery prizes
              Washington, D.C. 8.5% state withholding
              West Virginia 6.5% state withholding
              Wisconsin 7.75% state withholding
              Wyoming No state tax on lottery prizes

              † This state/jurisdiction has not responded to our requests for this information.

              If I live in a state that taxes prizes, but bought my ticket in a state with no tax on prizes, do I still need to pay state tax?

              Yes, you do.  Think of lottery prizes as regular earned income from a job.  Just because you may work in a different state, that doesn't permit you to get away with not paying state income tax in your state of residence.  The lottery works the same way.

              Whether it's income from a job or income from gambling, the state where the money is won will tax the prize first at their out-of-state tax rate (assuming the state taxes lottery winnings).  If your state of residence has the same or lower tax rate, then you won't owe anything else.  But if your state has a higher rate, you will get a credit for what you paid in the other state, and pay the difference to your state.

              If the other state has no tax, you just pay the entire tax bill to your state.

              The net result is that you end up paying whichever tax rate is higher between your state of residence and the state where you purchased the ticket.  Of course, the tax law is quite complex and it's possible that some condition or arrangement exists between the two states and a good tax attorney and/or accountant could discover a tax-saving loophole.  That's why we always recommend that major prize winners do not make any major decisions before first hiring a good legal and financial team.

              One other option to consider, depending on how much in taxes you're looking to save: the residency requirements as they relate to prize claims, state taxes, and income reporting.  Since you aren't responsible for paying taxes until you claim the prize, perhaps there is time to establish residency in the state where you purchased the ticket before the prize claim period expires.  However, that is something you would definitely need to explore with an attorney before taking any action to assess the feasibility.  You would also need to decide if it would be worth the risk of that important little piece of paper not getting lost, damaged, or destroyed in the time you spend arranging everything.

              Interesting thanks for the info.

              Let it Snow Snowman

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                Sounds like a lot of trouble to go through just to avoid taxes. I would just go ahead and pay the taxes since I HAVE THE MONEY TO DO SO NOW....

                I am a $20,000 winner from a Georgia Lottery scratch off game called "$3,000,000 Taxes Paid"!

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                  This is one way to attempt anonymity. Do this with utmost secrecy. It's a long process but don't be lazy.


                  1. Resign from your job immediately. No matter how much you love your job, you will find happiness elsewhere with your millions.

                  2. Legally change your name (plus wife/husband) via a court process in a faraway state. If you live in FL, have the name change in Alaska. Pick a common name like Mary Smith. If you are a dude, pick a girl’s name and vice versa. The murkier the better.

                  3. Put your house on the market (not looking to make a huge profit) and sell all replaceable items including cars/boats etc. Put cherished belongings in storage, preferably in a neighboring state.

                  4. With proceeds from yard sale of the year, pay off all debt and close paid off accounts.

                  5. With new name, apply for new ID, SSN card, new bank account etc.

                  6. Rent a short term apartment rental in a huge city like NY and keep a very low profile. No loud music etc. Let family and friends know you are taking up a great job offer in the big city.

                  7. Change your appearance esp. if you have to make a public appearance (some states allow lawyer/ trust rep only). If balding, get a toupee. Fake semi-permanent neck tattoos. Nose ring. Grow out your beard and shave if you already have one. There are professional makeup artists out there who will make you look like a bum/business executive if you choose.

                  8. Set up some sort of Trust to claim your winnings via a lawyer. Also seek advice from the finance guys etc. Creep back to state where ticket was bought and claim your prize.

                  9. Once money is in, immediately break the lease on rented apartment. Settle all dues and leave in good terms. Shack up at a hotel, changing location on a weekly basis until the madness dies down.

                  10. When all the hoopla has subsided, fire your current set of already well paid lawyers and financial advisers.

                  11. Legally change your names back to your old names, again in a faraway state.

                  12. Get rid of your makeup. Basically, revert to old self.

                  13. Buy a not so palatial home in your old town or move to a safe city elsewhere.

                  14. Hire new set of lawyers if necessary and move all winnings to other new financial vehicles/investments etc.

                  15. Find a way to explain your new found wealth such as buy a franchise like Burger King and slowly ‘grow’ your businesses for a couple of years. Then sell them all and pretend you are living on your sale proceeds. Chances are you really don’t know how to run a business so why get into it in a ‘real’ way.

                  16. Enjoy your millions unperturbed.

                   

                  Now, of course above is not fool proof but it will take great effort for someone to blow you out of the water. Also note that name changes take a while so this plan will take a few months to implement.

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                    I'm thinking a temporary name change would be the way to go, IF the lottery will release only your new name.  I'm wondering if they might release an AKA if it's been changed in the last 6 months?  It would be easy for them to know this, because they check your SSN to see if you owe child support, and previous names would come up at that time IIRC.

                    It would be great if the lottery would play along, but then you'd have to be in limbo for several months until you get your name changed back, because you don't want to do anything that would put your temporary name on your credit reports.  I don't think you could get a bank account without the credit bureaus putting your new name on a report with your old name as an AKA.  It's almost impossible to get that information erased off your reports once it's there, and even then it's never really gone.  The bureaus sell all info that's ever been on a report for the right price, even if it's not accurate info.

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                      This is one way to attempt anonymity. Do this with utmost secrecy. It's a long process but don't be lazy.


                      1. Resign from your job immediately. No matter how much you love your job, you will find happiness elsewhere with your millions.

                      2. Legally change your name (plus wife/husband) via a court process in a faraway state. If you live in FL, have the name change in Alaska. Pick a common name like Mary Smith. If you are a dude, pick a girl’s name and vice versa. The murkier the better.

                      3. Put your house on the market (not looking to make a huge profit) and sell all replaceable items including cars/boats etc. Put cherished belongings in storage, preferably in a neighboring state.

                      4. With proceeds from yard sale of the year, pay off all debt and close paid off accounts.

                      5. With new name, apply for new ID, SSN card, new bank account etc.

                      6. Rent a short term apartment rental in a huge city like NY and keep a very low profile. No loud music etc. Let family and friends know you are taking up a great job offer in the big city.

                      7. Change your appearance esp. if you have to make a public appearance (some states allow lawyer/ trust rep only). If balding, get a toupee. Fake semi-permanent neck tattoos. Nose ring. Grow out your beard and shave if you already have one. There are professional makeup artists out there who will make you look like a bum/business executive if you choose.

                      8. Set up some sort of Trust to claim your winnings via a lawyer. Also seek advice from the finance guys etc. Creep back to state where ticket was bought and claim your prize.

                      9. Once money is in, immediately break the lease on rented apartment. Settle all dues and leave in good terms. Shack up at a hotel, changing location on a weekly basis until the madness dies down.

                      10. When all the hoopla has subsided, fire your current set of already well paid lawyers and financial advisers.

                      11. Legally change your names back to your old names, again in a faraway state.

                      12. Get rid of your makeup. Basically, revert to old self.

                      13. Buy a not so palatial home in your old town or move to a safe city elsewhere.

                      14. Hire new set of lawyers if necessary and move all winnings to other new financial vehicles/investments etc.

                      15. Find a way to explain your new found wealth such as buy a franchise like Burger King and slowly ‘grow’ your businesses for a couple of years. Then sell them all and pretend you are living on your sale proceeds. Chances are you really don’t know how to run a business so why get into it in a ‘real’ way.

                      16. Enjoy your millions unperturbed.

                       

                      Now, of course above is not fool proof but it will take great effort for someone to blow you out of the water. Also note that name changes take a while so this plan will take a few months to implement.

                      HILARIOUS !!!!  LOL  Green laugh  ROFL 

                      Can you legally request a new SSN# [and start all over with a new Identity], when you legally change your name ???

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                        No matter what you do...Eventually your family members, friends, banker and the media will know you won.  In the past, when bad things happened to lottery winners, it was usually the result of the dishonest people the lottery winner associated with.  Personally, I wouldn't mind the attention.  Rich and famous wouldn't bother me a bit.

                        Even if the lottery winner is not associated with dishonest people bad things can happen.  Considering the open borders & how the economy is going the bad people are going to take special interest.  The best way to stay anonymous is not to play if you are not in a state where you can claim the ticket anonymously.

                        Trump 2016!

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                          The things people worry about are amazing.  If you don't live in an anonymous state and win a huge jackpot--move 5 hours any direction from where you are now.  Other people have won and are enjoying the win without all the hoopla.  Google happy lottery winners.

                          Good luck.

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                            The things people worry about are amazing.  If you don't live in an anonymous state and win a huge jackpot--move 5 hours any direction from where you are now.  Other people have won and are enjoying the win without all the hoopla.  Google happy lottery winners.

                            Good luck.

                            Oh no, zephbe...ya GOTTA get the fake tats and nose ring, dontcha know?   I won't be able to afford a toupee before the funds hit my bank account, so I'll just wear a dead cat on my head. After all, I don't want the attention, right?

                            Your fact-based reality is too much for some of these people to handle.   Stop making sense!


                            A people that elect corrupt politicians, impostors, thieves and traitors are not victims...but accomplices.
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                              No matter what you do...Eventually your family members, friends, banker and the media will know you won.  In the past, when bad things happened to lottery winners, it was usually the result of the dishonest people the lottery winner associated with.  Personally, I wouldn't mind the attention.  Rich and famous wouldn't bother me a bit.

                              Correct eventually but still wearing a Halloween costume when claiming! Pumpkin