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Quote: Originally posted by GuesssWork on Apr 12, 2019
And what are these "patterns" they keep asking about? Inquiring minds want to know.
i'd like to know also
I play Online Keno and played it in casinos too and if someone is looking for patterns, that's their game. With 20 of the 80 numbers drawn every game, there a lots of patterns, repeats, and numbers appearing together in multiple drawings.
In a 6/49 game it takes at least 9 drawings before it's even possible for all the numbers to be drawn and I have no idea what pattern they expect to see.
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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Apr 12, 2019
I play Online Keno and played it in casinos too and if someone is looking for patterns, that's their game. With 20 of the 80 numbers drawn every game, there a lots of patterns, repeats, and numbers appearing together in multiple drawings.
In a 6/49 game it takes at least 9 drawings before it's even possible for all the numbers to be drawn and I have no idea what pattern they expect to see.
To me there is no such thing as basic patterns.
There are patterns in the overall matrix, but every system (or person) picks and chooses what patterns they feel are most important to use or include.
Then there are in-game patterns. Patterns you choose based on your lucky numbers are due, hot/cold numbers, to patterns on the lottery ticket. So it varies from person to person.
Patterns for the most part is left to individual choice. So anything you want can be a basic pattern.
Interesting study done in Hungary(?), had 500 economic students mark 7 X 7 squares numbered from 1 to 49. The most common numbers marked were 1, 7, 43, 49, all corner squares. In fact 10 of the top numbers picked most were odd numbers......1,2, 3, 5, 7, 17, 27, 43, 47, 49.
The least marked were 28, 35, 42, vertical right side. And of the least picked 14, 9 were even......10, 14, 15, 20, 21, 24, 28, 33, 34, 35, 26, 38, 42, 45.
While it indicates a clear aversion to certain numbers and patterns, they concluded the data sample was too small to prove anything useful.
Ginoo san has a strong definite start, but IMHO, you have to stop at some point and look at what you have. You can't keep pouring coffee in the cup once it gets to the brim and still think you're going to add cream and sugar! It make a mess every time.....
The bad thing of course, is people do not share ideas here. And I'm mostly in that crowd.While I'm not going to lie to you about using the Vtraks on the back digits of a game, I'm probably not going to tell you everything I learned. For the most part, I can't remember it all off the top of my head.
But I won't withhold anything I do remember that might be helpful.
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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Apr 12, 2019
To me there is no such thing as basic patterns.
There are patterns in the overall matrix, but every system (or person) picks and chooses what patterns they feel are most important to use or include.
Then there are in-game patterns. Patterns you choose based on your lucky numbers are due, hot/cold numbers, to patterns on the lottery ticket. So it varies from person to person.
Patterns for the most part is left to individual choice. So anything you want can be a basic pattern.
Interesting study done in Hungary(?), had 500 economic students mark 7 X 7 squares numbered from 1 to 49. The most common numbers marked were 1, 7, 43, 49, all corner squares. In fact 10 of the top numbers picked most were odd numbers......1,2, 3, 5, 7, 17, 27, 43, 47, 49.
The least marked were 28, 35, 42, vertical right side. And of the least picked 14, 9 were even......10, 14, 15, 20, 21, 24, 28, 33, 34, 35, 26, 38, 42, 45.
While it indicates a clear aversion to certain numbers and patterns, they concluded the data sample was too small to prove anything useful.
Ginoo san has a strong definite start, but IMHO, you have to stop at some point and look at what you have. You can't keep pouring coffee in the cup once it gets to the brim and still think you're going to add cream and sugar! It make a mess every time.....
The bad thing of course, is people do not share ideas here. And I'm mostly in that crowd.While I'm not going to lie to you about using the Vtraks on the back digits of a game, I'm probably not going to tell you everything I learned. For the most part, I can't remember it all off the top of my head.
But I won't withhold anything I do remember that might be helpful.
G
The bad thing of course, is people do not share ideas here.
Actually, people do share their ideas here. The problem is most of the time these ideas are of little (if any) value. Like RNGs promoted so often.
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Quote: Originally posted by aquariuslottery on Apr 13, 2019
The bad thing of course, is people do not share ideas here.
Actually, people do share their ideas here. The problem is most of the time these ideas are of little (if any) value. Like RNGs promoted so often.
Aquarius
Guilty! On two counts....
I posted about RNGs. But after cddvd said he didn't understand some of the posts, I thought better of it. I don't find RNGs worth the time or energy for the most part. Probably one of the poorest, if not the poorest method of prediction. And that's in my most humble opinion only.
You're right. People do not share worthwhile information. And part of the problem is many times someone would post an idea and another person would jump to say they tried it already and it didn't work. Later, there was a'Ha Ha, told you you were wasting time!" Or maybe they go off and start their own post along similar lines.
Neither is anything but an irritant, adds nothing to the conversation and may cause a member to quit posting altogether no matter how many people were interested in reading the idea. And I hate starting a good thread to find on page 2 the OP has disappeared!
So, I think that's the biggest reason we don't see many worthwhile ideas any longer.
The secondary reason was Systems Forum became nothing more than page after page of threads where people were posting, "Do my state! Do this state! Do that state!" Sometimes you could scroll through 16 pages, find three/five posts about the system itself and the rest were "Do my states requests!," plus a few posting, "Thank you!"
You got me! Guilty on both counts!
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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Apr 12, 2019
To me there is no such thing as basic patterns.
There are patterns in the overall matrix, but every system (or person) picks and chooses what patterns they feel are most important to use or include.
Then there are in-game patterns. Patterns you choose based on your lucky numbers are due, hot/cold numbers, to patterns on the lottery ticket. So it varies from person to person.
Patterns for the most part is left to individual choice. So anything you want can be a basic pattern.
Interesting study done in Hungary(?), had 500 economic students mark 7 X 7 squares numbered from 1 to 49. The most common numbers marked were 1, 7, 43, 49, all corner squares. In fact 10 of the top numbers picked most were odd numbers......1,2, 3, 5, 7, 17, 27, 43, 47, 49.
The least marked were 28, 35, 42, vertical right side. And of the least picked 14, 9 were even......10, 14, 15, 20, 21, 24, 28, 33, 34, 35, 26, 38, 42, 45.
While it indicates a clear aversion to certain numbers and patterns, they concluded the data sample was too small to prove anything useful.
Ginoo san has a strong definite start, but IMHO, you have to stop at some point and look at what you have. You can't keep pouring coffee in the cup once it gets to the brim and still think you're going to add cream and sugar! It make a mess every time.....
The bad thing of course, is people do not share ideas here. And I'm mostly in that crowd.While I'm not going to lie to you about using the Vtraks on the back digits of a game, I'm probably not going to tell you everything I learned. For the most part, I can't remember it all off the top of my head.
But I won't withhold anything I do remember that might be helpful.
G
"While I'm not going to lie to you about using the Vtraks on the back digits of a game"
Sounds interesting... do you have a thread on how that's done?
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hello, well we have 3 patterns, and we have
sequences, to cross or match
example
larger smaller, smaller pair / odd pair
or larger smaller, smaller pair / low
odd / high and even / high
So we have 3 patterns and we have sequences
I'm afraid now, crossing two patterns.
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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Apr 13, 2019
Guilty! On two counts....
I posted about RNGs. But after cddvd said he didn't understand some of the posts, I thought better of it. I don't find RNGs worth the time or energy for the most part. Probably one of the poorest, if not the poorest method of prediction. And that's in my most humble opinion only.
You're right. People do not share worthwhile information. And part of the problem is many times someone would post an idea and another person would jump to say they tried it already and it didn't work. Later, there was a'Ha Ha, told you you were wasting time!" Or maybe they go off and start their own post along similar lines.
Neither is anything but an irritant, adds nothing to the conversation and may cause a member to quit posting altogether no matter how many people were interested in reading the idea. And I hate starting a good thread to find on page 2 the OP has disappeared!
So, I think that's the biggest reason we don't see many worthwhile ideas any longer.
The secondary reason was Systems Forum became nothing more than page after page of threads where people were posting, "Do my state! Do this state! Do that state!" Sometimes you could scroll through 16 pages, find three/five posts about the system itself and the rest were "Do my states requests!," plus a few posting, "Thank you!"
You got me! Guilty on both counts!
G
I posted about RNGs. But after cddvd said he didn't understand some of the posts, I thought better of it. I don't find RNGs worth the time or energy for the most part. Probably one of the poorest, if not the poorest method of prediction. And that's in my most humble opinion only.
Not a big guilt as long as people use RNGs for entertainment/fun/curiosity/analysis purposes only. But you don't have control over this.
You're right. People do not share worthwhile information. And part of the problem is many times someone would post an idea and another person would jump to say they tried it already and it didn't work. Later, there was a 'Ha Ha, told you you were wasting time!" Or maybe they go off and start their own post along similar lines.
That's why I don't start topics on LP. I know how they are going to end - hijacked into unrelated mumbo-jumbo. Seen it happen on numerous occasions before. Discussions often turn into a competitions of egos, away from the subject that was supposed to be discussed. I know at least one poster that quit LP because of this. And he was a valuable contributor with many meaningful posts although not always we agreed. But that's the essence of a meaningful discussion - analyse an issue from different angles, perhaps a solution could be found, or other ideas could be generated. Adding egos to a discussion is like spreading pepper on ice-cream. The result is garbage. (It does not mean I hate pepper, just with different food combinations).
I don't mind if people follow what I advise here. I know some do. Or if they use my ramblings for other self-gratifying purposes. That's why I post here. I leave the evaluation of my posts to readers. They like them - good, they don't - well, no comment to remain politically correct.
The secondary reason was Systems Forum became nothing more than page after page of threads where people were posting, "Do my state! Do this state! Do that state!" Sometimes you could scroll through 16 pages, find three/five posts about the system itself and the rest were "Do my states requests!," plus a few posting, "Thank you!"
That's the lottery-way expression of the old-age human inclination: you do the job I take the money. The way of the least resistance. QPs are another form.
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Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Apr 12, 2019
To me there is no such thing as basic patterns.
There are patterns in the overall matrix, but every system (or person) picks and chooses what patterns they feel are most important to use or include.
Then there are in-game patterns. Patterns you choose based on your lucky numbers are due, hot/cold numbers, to patterns on the lottery ticket. So it varies from person to person.
Patterns for the most part is left to individual choice. So anything you want can be a basic pattern.
Interesting study done in Hungary(?), had 500 economic students mark 7 X 7 squares numbered from 1 to 49. The most common numbers marked were 1, 7, 43, 49, all corner squares. In fact 10 of the top numbers picked most were odd numbers......1,2, 3, 5, 7, 17, 27, 43, 47, 49.
The least marked were 28, 35, 42, vertical right side. And of the least picked 14, 9 were even......10, 14, 15, 20, 21, 24, 28, 33, 34, 35, 26, 38, 42, 45.
While it indicates a clear aversion to certain numbers and patterns, they concluded the data sample was too small to prove anything useful.
Ginoo san has a strong definite start, but IMHO, you have to stop at some point and look at what you have. You can't keep pouring coffee in the cup once it gets to the brim and still think you're going to add cream and sugar! It make a mess every time.....
The bad thing of course, is people do not share ideas here. And I'm mostly in that crowd.While I'm not going to lie to you about using the Vtraks on the back digits of a game, I'm probably not going to tell you everything I learned. For the most part, I can't remember it all off the top of my head.
But I won't withhold anything I do remember that might be helpful.
G
There are patterns in the overall matrix, but every system (or person) picks and chooses what patterns they feel are most important to use or include.
Then there are in-game patterns. Patterns you choose based on your lucky numbers are due, hot/cold numbers, to patterns on the lottery ticket. So it varies from person to person.
Patterns for the most part is left to individual choice. So anything you want can be a basic pattern.
I can see some progress in LP discussions. We start to agree that there are patterns in all lotteries. A few years back such a statement would probably be ridiculed.
Interesting study done in Hungary(?), had 500 economic students mark 7 X 7 squares numbered from 1 to 49. The most common numbers marked were 1, 7, 43, 49, all corner squares. In fact 10 of the top numbers picked most wereodd numbers......1,2, 3, 5, 7, 17, 27, 43, 47, 49.
The least marked were 28, 35, 42, vertical right side. And of the least picked 14, 9 were even......10, 14, 15, 20, 21, 24, 28, 33, 34, 35, 26, 38, 42, 45.
That's why I avoid personal number selections - there is always some bias, even unintentional but still bias. But the main problem is that oftentimes I cannot see the bias and think I'm objective. Only afterwards I can see how far I strayed. So I prefer the cold-blooded computers with preset formulas to make the choices for me. Another question is if my formulas are not biased. Most likely they are to a degree. I guess you can't win with human nature.
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Nikki,
You might find something posted in the Texas Two Step games. I looked, but didn't see anything but a few one page threads. If nothing else Ginoo san should be able to tell you where he found the information since he asked.
Texas Two step is a 4 ball game (with a bonus ball) so it made sense to track the back digits in the same method as Pick 4.
05121328
Red is front digits. You don't need those.
We track Blue 5238 just as we would Pick4 to determine our new back four. I did the Cash 5 earlier in this thread but realized that's not a good tracking method. Your mind becomes mesmerized on those longest out digits. You begin to watch them and anticipate them. I am working on a solution.
Once you have your new digits you can choose whatever front number you want. A big advantage is you are picking between 0,1,2,3 which is a lot simpler than picking between 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9!
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Quote: Originally posted by dr san on Apr 13, 2019
hello, well we have 3 patterns, and we have
sequences, to cross or match
example
larger smaller, smaller pair / odd pair
or larger smaller, smaller pair / low
odd / high and even / high
So we have 3 patterns and we have sequences
I'm afraid now, crossing two patterns.
Where did you find the information that I used Vtraks? Nikkicutie needs that information.
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Quote: Originally posted by aquariuslottery on Apr 13, 2019
I posted about RNGs. But after cddvd said he didn't understand some of the posts, I thought better of it. I don't find RNGs worth the time or energy for the most part. Probably one of the poorest, if not the poorest method of prediction. And that's in my most humble opinion only.
Not a big guilt as long as people use RNGs for entertainment/fun/curiosity/analysis purposes only. But you don't have control over this.
You're right. People do not share worthwhile information. And part of the problem is many times someone would post an idea and another person would jump to say they tried it already and it didn't work. Later, there was a 'Ha Ha, told you you were wasting time!" Or maybe they go off and start their own post along similar lines.
That's why I don't start topics on LP. I know how they are going to end - hijacked into unrelated mumbo-jumbo. Seen it happen on numerous occasions before. Discussions often turn into a competitions of egos, away from the subject that was supposed to be discussed. I know at least one poster that quit LP because of this. And he was a valuable contributor with many meaningful posts although not always we agreed. But that's the essence of a meaningful discussion - analyse an issue from different angles, perhaps a solution could be found, or other ideas could be generated. Adding egos to a discussion is like spreading pepper on ice-cream. The result is garbage. (It does not mean I hate pepper, just with different food combinations).
I don't mind if people follow what I advise here. I know some do. Or if they use my ramblings for other self-gratifying purposes. That's why I post here. I leave the evaluation of my posts to readers. They like them - good, they don't - well, no comment to remain politically correct.
The secondary reason was Systems Forum became nothing more than page after page of threads where people were posting, "Do my state! Do this state! Do that state!" Sometimes you could scroll through 16 pages, find three/five posts about the system itself and the rest were "Do my states requests!," plus a few posting, "Thank you!"
That's the lottery-way expression of the old-age human inclination: you do the job I take the money. The way of the least resistance. QPs are another form.
Aquarius
Well said in both posts Aquarius!
At the moment I'm on a different computer. We've been under a tornado watch and the other online machine won't connect. For some reason it takes me to the router login page. Ten years have passed since I set up the username and password. Might have to swap the two out until I figure it out.
Back later......
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That's why I avoid personal number selections - there is always some bias, even unintentional but still bias. But the main problem is that oftentimes I cannot see the bias and think I'm objective. Only afterwards I can see how far I strayed. So I prefer the cold-blooded computers with preset formulas to make the choices for me. Another question is if my formulas are not biased. Most likely they are to a degree. I guess you can't win with human nature.
Aquarius
Interesting point and was touched on in the study. And brought back an unpleasant experience years ago.
I was offered and downloaded an e-book entitled "You Are Not So Smart," a very involved and sometimes complex read of why we perceive our reality they way we do, and why we make the choices we do. Basically a study of human nature and how the mind works. I was impressed the author could remain relatively free of bias in writing it.
Unfortunately, the person who offered the download got into a disagreement and I was accused of having illegal material on that computer. I knew the machine was clean. Aside from Visual Studio, Office, camera software and maybe Silhouette Cameo, there was nothing but the zip files and the e-book, both of which came from this person.
At any rate I took the machine offline and went though it with various virus software, Defender, CCleaner, Malwarebytes, etc. Found nothing. Eventually I came to the conclusion that if that person knew there was illegal material it had to be something from them. I deleted everything I had received through that party, and the machine wasn't the same. I ended up getting a Windows 8 machine.
Incidents like that formulate our thinking and decision making, much like favorite/lucky numbers or the rituals we read about in sports, like not cutting your hair, or beard, or wearing the same sweatshirt, etc. Which is, I suppose, in another way the same bias I found tracking in Two Step, i.e, I began with good intent, but slipped into the mudpit using Vtrks to track most dues numbers.
But as my ex used to say, "If you think that was dumb, wait til you see what I do next!"
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Quote: Originally posted by Peggyw86 on Apr 14, 2019
Can someone help me wiyh nc please
Great! Another drive by.......at least it means I don't get five posts in row, so its all good! (If only people would READ).
Either way I promised you a different way of tracking. I'll use something like this, although about 50% of this chart will be used for other things. For this example, I've grouped items to show where they come from.
The labels should be self explanatory. Draw, month, date, year, N1 - N5 is the first draw, X1 - X5 is the second draw, BD is back digits, and Result is the result of the second drawing. Far right is the total number of hits produced using Vtraks.
Before I forget, I did the totals for the whole chart. 5 ball winners (Jackpots won) is 513 (7.85%), 4 ball winners is 1673 (25.73%), and 3 ball winners was 2194 (33.58%). Total of 67% win in one of those three categories. As you see the last jackpot was Feb 27-28, (38 draws ago).
Now, when you compare the mirrors in Vtraks there is onlyfour possible outcomes. 1) You can have a repeat/mirror (the same digit or its companion comes back), 2) the digit can go down, 3) the digit can go up, or 4) the digit can skip space(s).
The numbers in the green box: I thought to use the terms SKIP2 and SKIP1, but that can be confusing. Here's why: If you look at the back digits 5 and 2, you see we're working with the mirrors 0,5 and 2,7. From 5, if we were to go to the nearest mirror we count 5, 6, 7 (7 is the mirror to 2). And we have a SKIP1.
But is we go 5 to 2, (using the true result), we count 5,4,3,2, meaning we SKIP2.
Just rememberSKIPS are bad! (Proviso - unless you find a workable pattern, but that's your job.
There you go as promised.
Your choice how you use it.
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Wow! This post dried up fast!
If I had a troll handle I'd post something like:
"Hi gary! This Bo-zoid. This looks good, but have you tried it on other states? Will it work on my lottery? Have you found a way to reduce the numbers? How many past draws do I need?
What else can you tell me about it?"
Then I log in as the real me and say:
Thank you so much Bo-zoid! How's the weather in Boznia? I have run it on Connecticut, 6956 draws with 627 5 ball wins (9%), 1772 4 balls (25.5%), 2442 3s (35%%).
Massachusetts shows 7.9% 5s, 22.4% 4s, and 34% 3s.
San Diego.....uh no, that's South Dakota is 8.6% 5s, 25.6% 4s and 35.6% 3s. South Dakota's cash5 is up to $273,000 while the other 2 are $100,000 dollar games. 4 and 3 balls pay less than in Texas.
You don't need any past draws! Just use the last draw for your game.
Sorry I don't know anything about Boznianian lottery but if it uses numbers 0 to 9 it should work just fine!
Yes, you can reduce the numbers but doing so should be on a on an in-game (game by game) basis.
Although this is a complete system, all you need is the last draw, know your mirrors and 1 up/1 down, I am working on some other ideas along these lines.
Might be a couple of days before I'm through.
Thanks for the feedback!
G
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