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dande-ny

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Oct 28, 2022, 8:51 am

So do i smell a rat? Anyone ever heard of that happening before?
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Oct 28, 2022, 12:08 pm

Quote: Originally posted by dande-ny on Oct 28, 2022
So do i smell a rat? Anyone ever heard of that happening before?

Yeepp..!! Dat'z xactly whut chu schmell..

I've been tryn ta tell playaz fa da longest.. LOs mAnIpUlaTe dem rezultz when somebodyz smart enuf ta figure it out.. especially when uzin Probability Math..!!

"Math duzzn't lie, cauze it cain't"

I noticed that Ga LOs make xactly whut da Math sayz iz gonna show up, FALL, when I DONT play, but dodge the Stats, when Ole Stat$ doo.. tryn ta sucker me in, ta part wit my money..

Proof, it'z RIGGED

Write to the FTC..MM & PB are NationWide Gamez..and need and fall under their regulationz to end such fraud and deceit.

-Stat$talker
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Oct 28, 2022, 12:34 pm

If it was rigged, it didn't work out too well for the 52 winners who had to split a measly $37k and only won about $700 apiece.

And now we all learned just how common it is for people to play the last drawing's result. Those 52 will be rethinking the way they pick numbers from now on.
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Oct 28, 2022, 1:43 pm

If NY has pretests, those sets didn't hit back to back. They only appear so since those are the only sets published.
Still interesting though.

I'd have thought the odds were better of having a mental illness named for a segment of lottery players before that would happen. There has to be a shrink writing his paper on Statisdenialcomposititus describing that segment of lottery players who claim they have the winning numbers but the lottery won't let them win by rigging the game. Yet the same people who claim it's rigged continue to throw money at the game every chance they get.

If I owned a drug company we'd be working on a pill and an hourly commercial:

"Do you, or someone you love, have thoughts of the lottery being rigged, but continue to play? If so, you may be suffering Statisdenialcomposititus, a serious condition that leaves you feeling helpless to change the odds, thoughts the lottery officials have singled you out, and hundreds, maybe thousands, of lost dollars yearly.

"Now there's hope. Millions have tried QuitPla. Thousands, just like you, report enjoying more money with QuitPla!

"Talk to your doctor to learn if QuitPla is right for you. It could save you money!"

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Oct 28, 2022, 2:00 pm

News story published this morning about it: https://www.lotterypost.com/news/343012

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justadream

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Oct 28, 2022, 2:30 pm

Actually if I recall right it has happened before in another state. They however did the right thing by admitting to the error of the machine . The numbers themselves are more interesting then the error itself.
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Oct 28, 2022, 2:47 pm

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Oct 28, 2022
If NY has pretests, those sets didn't hit back to back. They only appear so since those are the only sets published.
Still interesting though.

I'd have thought the odds were better of having a mental illness named for a segment of lottery players before that would happen. There has to be a shrink writing his paper on Statisdenialcomposititus describing that segment of lottery players who claim they have the winning numbers but the lottery won't let them win by rigging the game. Yet the same people who claim it's rigged continue to throw money at the game every chance they get.

If I owned a drug company we'd be working on a pill and an hourly commercial:

"Do you, or someone you love, have thoughts of the lottery being rigged, but continue to play? If so, you may be suffering Statisdenialcomposititus, a serious condition that leaves you feeling helpless to change the odds, thoughts the lottery officials have singled you out, and hundreds, maybe thousands, of lost dollars yearly.

"Now there's hope. Millions have tried QuitPla. Thousands, just like you, report enjoying more money with QuitPla!

"Talk to your doctor to learn if QuitPla is right for you. It could save you money!"

G

Translated:.."Misery luuvz Company"..!!
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Oct 28, 2022, 2:57 pm

My guess would be most of the people who did win did so on advanced draws. Lucky them to win twice !
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Oct 28, 2022, 3:35 pm

Quote: Originally posted by justadream on Oct 28, 2022
My guess would be most of the people who did win did so on advanced draws. Lucky them to win twice !

Right on both counts justadream. I think the back to back repeat has happened before too. I may not be using the proper search terms to locate the post though.

Did find this where the Wisconsin SuperCash drew the same 6 winning numbers within ten days.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/128536

There are plenty of posts on repeating 4 numbers as well.

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Oct 28, 2022, 3:50 pm

Quote: Originally posted by garyo1954 on Oct 28, 2022
Right on both counts justadream. I think the back to back repeat has happened before too. I may not be using the proper search terms to locate the post though.

Did find this where the Wisconsin SuperCash drew the same 6 winning numbers within ten days.

https://www.lotterypost.com/news/128536

There are plenty of posts on repeating 4 numbers as well.

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After I made the comment I looked to see if NY was a computerized game. LP report cards says no but I have a hard time believing any state or any game truly is. Occurrences such as this just confirms my theory.
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Oct 28, 2022, 5:36 pm

This is nothing new in Take5. Since January 1991 when Take5 began, there have been 78 sets of five numbers drawn twice. There has also been one set of five that has been drawn three times. What's new/different is that it happened in back to back drawings. That's never happened before.

In addition numerous other states Pick5 games have had duplicate sets of five winning numbers drawn quite a bit. Name the state... Florida, Massachusetts, California, Michigan and others,,, all have seen a set of five numbers drawn twice very frequently. G5

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Oct 28, 2022, 5:44 pm

Quote: Originally posted by justadream on Oct 28, 2022
After I made the comment I looked to see if NY was a computerized game. LP report cards says no but I have a hard time believing any state or any game truly is. Occurrences such as this just confirms my theory.

New York uses a ball and drum machine. Seen the live Take5 drawing broadcast on the 1100 PM TV news many times. G5

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Oct 29, 2022, 1:49 am

Quote: Originally posted by justadream on Oct 28, 2022
My guess would be most of the people who did win did so on advanced draws. Lucky them to win twice !

"My guess would be most of the people who did win did so on advanced draws. "

Nobody won the afternoon drawing, so your guess would be wrong. Based on the odds and the number of 4th place winners perhaps 450k tickets are sold for an evening drawing. With that many tickets with randomly chosen numbers the chance of a single winner is 36% and the chance of 2 winners is 14.5%. When there's nothing about the winning numbers that would make them unusually popular the chance of 52 winners is
1 in 18,650,433,167,425,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. That's the same probability as correctly predicting the exact order of a randomly shuffled deck of cards 231,228 times in a row. That many winners could be explained by being in fortune cookies, but nobody won the afternoon drawing with the same numbers. 52 people playing the winning numbers from the afternoon drawing is the only possible explanation.

As for the probability of the afternoon numbers being drawn again for the evening drawing, it's exactly the same a the probability of any other set of numbers being drawn.
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Oct 29, 2022, 8:31 am

Quote: Originally posted by GiveFive on Oct 28, 2022
New York uses a ball and drum machine. Seen the live Take5 drawing broadcast on the 1100 PM TV news many times. G5

I'm not sure if they still do this or not, but I forgot to mention that The NY Lottery at one time invited members of the general public to attend live lottery drawings.

The drawings were/are held in the TV Studio at The Lottery's HQ in Schenectady New York. Because I lived more than 90 miles from Schenectady, and the fact that TAKE5 drawings were held at eleven fifteen PM, I never attended a drawing. Nor do I know anyone that attended one, or if the public is still invited into the studio to watch.

Obviously things have changed with regard to Take5 in the last two years that I've been living in Florida as they now have two Take5 drawings per day. G5

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Oct 29, 2022, 11:41 am

Quote: Originally posted by KY Floyd on Oct 29, 2022
"My guess would be most of the people who did win did so on advanced draws. "

Nobody won the afternoon drawing, so your guess would be wrong. Based on the odds and the number of 4th place winners perhaps 450k tickets are sold for an evening drawing. With that many tickets with randomly chosen numbers the chance of a single winner is 36% and the chance of 2 winners is 14.5%. When there's nothing about the winning numbers that would make them unusually popular the chance of 52 winners is
1 in 18,650,433,167,425,500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. That's the same probability as correctly predicting the exact order of a randomly shuffled deck of cards 231,228 times in a row. That many winners could be explained by being in fortune cookies, but nobody won the afternoon drawing with the same numbers. 52 people playing the winning numbers from the afternoon drawing is the only possible explanation.

As for the probability of the afternoon numbers being drawn again for the evening drawing, it's exactly the same a the probability of any other set of numbers being drawn.

Good explanation.