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Posted: May 4, 2003, 12:33 pm - IP Logged

What are your opinions regarding the approach to playing? Are there differences in in number analysis and selection?

Here in California, only the Super Lotto Plus (5/47+Mega) is picked by "bingo balls"; I rarely play it, simply because the odds are too great.

However, I do play Fantasy Five (5/39), and Daily Three quite often. I don't play Daily Three as often as I used to since they added the "Mid-Day" draw. I just can't get a handle on integrating the two, sometimes there seems to be a relationship between them, but more often there is not.

I use Lotto Pro 2003 for tracking data, but it has some drawbacks, esp. in pick 3.

I would love to hear your input, and esp. anyone in Calif.

 

 


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    Posted: May 4, 2003, 12:40 pm - IP Logged
    Win$mith:

    You mean they don't use "ping-pong" balls for Fantasy 5 or Pick-3?

    It doesn't affect my playing habits. NY uses a computer for "Quick Draw" only.

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      Posted: May 4, 2003, 12:58 pm - IP Logged

      Yes, to the best of my knowledge, p3 and F5 are computer generated.

      I'm wondering if that's an advantage or disadvantage?

      Gaussian/ Bell curve...Mechanical bias...

      I am not a mathematician, or computer expert. I am willing to work at winning, with whatever mental abilities I have.

      I am also more than willing to work at it with whatever mental abilities you have.


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        Posted: May 4, 2003, 1:14 pm - IP Logged
        I think Idaho had a pick-5 game that had a "bingo" twist to it...but I was never able to find out all the details.

        I'd like to see some lottery try a pick-5 game that has a whiff of bingo. Bingo scratch tickets have become VERY popular.

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          Posted: May 5, 2003, 6:00 am - IP Logged

          Hey Mike,

          Take a look at the California drawfile:

           05/04/2003 487*
          05/04/2003 720*
          05/03/2003 360*
          05/03/2003 360*
          05/02/2003 570*
          05/02/2003 070*
          05/01/2003 648*
          05/01/2003 820*
          04/30/2003 189*
          04/30/2003 071*
          04/29/2003 901*
          04/29/2003 749*
          04/28/2003 122*
          04/28/2003 760*
          04/27/2003 597*
          04/27/2003 439*
          04/26/2003 947*
          04/26/2003 802*
          04/25/2003 655
          04/25/2003 615*
          04/24/2003 791*
          04/24/2003 788*
          04/23/2003 732
          04/23/2003 190*
          04/22/2003 135*
          04/22/2003 035*
          04/21/2003 745
          04/21/2003 342

           All the winning numbers with an asterisk have at least one 
           trough digit in them.  Computer picks always follow overall 
           probability for the most part. 
          http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/67838
           ..../George 


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            Posted: May 5, 2003, 7:55 am - IP Logged

            Win$mith,I have the demo of LottoPro 2003,what drawbacks are you referring to? This is a pretty good program once you figure out the best and most efficient way too use it.I always test programs before I decide too buy,to make sure they can peform the functions I need or provide me with the appropriate tools.I did a test run for FL Pick-3 on 4/26 and the program produced a straight hit ( 778 ).These are the settings I used

            for the Smart Pick function I selected 10 draws for Hot Number cutoff,60 draws for Drawing cutoff then in the section for how many Hot,Cold,Prior or due numbers I only use Hot and Prior based on the number statistics

            chart.I have a little system I use too tell me how many

            repeat numbers will occur 0,1,2 in this test I selected

            0 repeat numbers and 3 Hot numbers then generated 30 combinations the hit was in number 25.And finally I prefer the draw machines it's easier too track the biases,FL still uses them and probably always will too many players would protest changing to computer generated numbers and our Lottery Commission is pretty good at listening to player suggestions/feedback.Unlike our neighboring state GA and some states like CA we haven't gone to Mid-Day drawings and I don't see that happening either.

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              Posted: May 5, 2003, 1:24 pm - IP Logged

              Thanks, Sedertree and Lottowiz, for your helpful comments.

              What I feel are drawbacks in Lotto Pro 2003:

              Hit Sequence chart doesn't indicate double hit numbers, it could easily do so by using a "DD" marker instead of the usual "##".

              As it is, it looks like only two numbers are represented instead of three. I like to see at a glance how/when the doubles are coming up.

              Also, there is no "position" analysis. I'm not sure if this is helpful information or not, but I'd still like to see the breakdoun so I could make up my own mind.

              I ran a backwards "smart number" test and on about 100-200 draws, and it only gave up 1 straight hit, however, I was new to the program and didn't use the settings you did, I'll try  it again.

              Generally, my own number selections do better than the "Smart" numbers, in all games.

              Sedertree:

              Since I found out from your posted articles about "Trough and Spike", I always use one Trough number, one of the best tips I've seen posted.

              How did you get the CA Midday and evening drawfiles listed together like that? That sure makes it easier to see trends and repeats.

              P.S. I am not mj(mike) winsmith, I'm "Ellie's my name, Poker's my game" Win$mith, sorry for the confusion.

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                Posted: May 5, 2003, 5:10 pm - IP Logged

                Position analysis is helpful in programs that use it,LottoPro 2003 is one of those that don't the majority of my programs except for LightningBolt 99 use position analysis.However even without this feature LottoPro 2003 is an exceptional program since the upgrade to the current version.The Smart Picks work very well once you figure out the best settings too yield positive results.The true drawback in my opinion is the Pick-3/4 wheels you don't get double numbers in your combinations only mixed unlike the Smart Pick generated numbers which gives doubles like in my test

                also you only get boxed numbers from the wheels no straight but other than that it's a good program.

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                  East Jordan, MI
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                  Posted: May 6, 2003, 5:49 am - IP Logged

                  Well Ellie,

                  It's nice to meet you.

                  You are very wise to use the SST-STS and TSS Filters in California.

                  What you may be interested to know.  Is that the filters above carry two permutations of the winning No-Match Number, and one permutation of the winning Double each.

                  My new website compiles these "integrated" drawfiles.

                  They are being used to compute users winnings for the pick-3 and pick-4 Challenges.  I will be providing links, so that users can copy and paste these to use in my software.

                  ..../George