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Pennsylvania Lottery Scratch Games Investigated

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Posted: February 16, 2005, 9:05 am - IP Logged
Quote: Originally posted by lazyjim on February 15, 2005



I guess it's impossible to notify the vendors to stop selling them by any way but car.  Very high-tech operation.




Couldn't a message be sent out via the Online game machines? I'm pretty sure most retailers have to print the previous days results. I would think they could put a big bold message on that that says "Please remove scratch off game X, all the top prizes have been won".
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    Posted: February 16, 2005, 2:35 pm - IP Logged

    i think what happens is sometimes some don't get pulled and are still being sold because the vendor isn't properly notified.

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      Posted: February 16, 2005, 4:09 pm - IP Logged
      Quote: Originally posted by four4me on February 16, 2005

      There is no easy solution to this. If the pa lottery orders 10 million dollars worth of scratch off tickets and distributes them throught PA. Do the retailers pay for the tickets then sell them for the lottery. Does the lottery reimburse the retailers for any unsold tickets. What if i buy a winning top teir ticket and hold onto it until 3 weeks before the games ends. Who would know it was sold except me. I know the books are scanned in but unless i redeem it how do they know it's sold until it's validated at lottery headquarters.

      If they in fact sell the 10 million dollars worth of tickets to the distributors then in effect they have allready sold the winning tickets of every payout structure. Even before they are scratched. What about the remaining prizes after the top teir tickets are sold. Does the lottery get rembursed for the remainding prizes. If the lottery is to profit from the scratchers how do they accomplish this unless they sell every ticket in the pool of tickets.








      Here's how it works. The store orders books of instant tickets, playslips, and ticket stock (for the online games. before they start selling the book of tickets, they activate the pack. Once 90% of the winners in the book are sold, the lottery automatically settles the book. A book can also be manually settled in the dvent that all tickets are sold. When a book is settled, the lottery automatically deducts the cost of the book from the retailer's bank account minus commissions. They used to have it so all retailers had to settle manually, but there were retailers who were not doing so well with their business, and had to put off settling books of tickets until they had the money to cover that, as well as their other orders. In the dvent that tickets are stolen, the ticket numbers,which aren't too hard to find out, are reported to the lottery, and they credit you for those tickets. In the dvent that a game ends before the book gets settled, and as we all found out, it can happen, the retailer is to pull all remaining tickets and books of tickets, and send them back to the lottery for a refund. Lotteries determine the end date for a game when the final top prize has been claimed.



      Any questions?

      I've redone my website.  Go to www.dr-ew.com.  I kept a lot of the old stuff, and I've added some new stuff.  Look for more new stuff in the coming weeks.

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        Posted: February 16, 2005, 5:12 pm - IP Logged

        Last I checked the PA lottery website hasn't updated their remaining prizes page since 2/7/05.  Its now 2/16/05.  I wonder how many people bought tickets using the outdated information the website is providing.  I know we can't expect the commission to update the remaining prize page everyday...but 9 days...thats getting lazy.  Or, maybe its not lazy...its smart.  Because supplying outdated information is just as good (for the lottery commission) as not having a webpage in the first place.

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          Posted: February 16, 2005, 6:14 pm - IP Logged
          Quote: Originally posted by DoctorEw220 on February 16, 2005



          Quote: Originally posted by four4me on February 16, 2005



          There is no easy solution to this. If the pa lottery orders 10 million dollars worth of scratch off tickets and distributes them throught PA. Do the retailers pay for the tickets then sell them for the lottery. Does the lottery reimburse the retailers for any unsold tickets. What if i buy a winning top teir ticket and hold onto it until 3 weeks before the games ends. Who would know it was sold except me. I know the books are scanned in but unless i redeem it how do they know it's sold until it's validated at lottery headquarters.

          If they in fact sell the 10 million dollars worth of tickets to the distributors then in effect they have allready sold the winning tickets of every payout structure. Even before they are scratched. What about the remaining prizes after the top teir tickets are sold. Does the lottery get rembursed for the remainding prizes. If the lottery is to profit from the scratchers how do they accomplish this unless they sell every ticket in the pool of tickets.







          Here's how it works. The store orders books of instant tickets, playslips, and ticket stock (for the online games. before they start selling the book of tickets, they activate the pack. Once 90% of the winners in the book are sold, the lottery automatically settles the book. A book can also be manually settled in the dvent that all tickets are sold. When a book is settled, the lottery automatically deducts the cost of the book from the retailer's bank account minus commissions. They used to have it so all retailers had to settle manually, but there were retailers who were not doing so well with their business, and had to put off settling books of tickets until they had the money to cover that, as well as their other orders. In the dvent that tickets are stolen, the ticket numbers,which aren't too hard to find out, are reported to the lottery, and they credit you for those tickets. In the dvent that a game ends before the book gets settled, and as we all found out, it can happen, the retailer is to pull all remaining tickets and books of tickets, and send them back to the lottery for a refund. Lotteries determine the end date for a game when the final top prize has been claimed.

          Any questions?


          Doc, no that about covers it this is one of the best answers you have posted, well done. It pays to get learned information instead of speculation. thanks for your reply.
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            Posted: February 16, 2005, 7:42 pm - IP Logged

            I know that oregon lottery only updates the remaining prizes list on their site every month.  The store that I buy scratchers from puts the list up every month and it is bad because the information is always old by the time I get ready to buy the tickets.  I wish they would be more informative about the remaining prizes then just one list every month. 

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              Posted: February 16, 2005, 8:20 pm - IP Logged

               As soon as they open that pack of tickets they have to pay for it.They do not have a choice of what scratch off they want. They just send them new ones when they close out a pack. There are runners that bring in there other supplies. I have a close friend that has a lottery retail business. he has told me that the $5.00 packs us to be 25 to a pack but they have increased them to 100 like the other scratch-off games. That is a lot of money to fork out if they do not sell.

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                Posted: February 16, 2005, 8:34 pm - IP Logged

                in PA, the $1, $2, $3, and $5 tickets have a book value of $300, so you get 300 $1 tickets, 150 $2 tickets, 100 $3 tickets, and 60 $5 tickets. the $10 and $20 tickets used to have book values of $300 too, but that was changeed to $600, so you get 60 $10 tickets in a book, and 30 $20 tickets.

                I've redone my website.  Go to www.dr-ew.com.  I kept a lot of the old stuff, and I've added some new stuff.  Look for more new stuff in the coming weeks.