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Lottolady24:

Your question is certainly a logical one. We've wondered the same thing many times, and the answer is just now becoming clear.

You might have read the story about William Foreman's upcoming sentencing hearing, where he's looking at a possible fifty-year term for his part in the scratch-off ticket scandal. He's charged with violating a state law which prohibits disclosing "confidential lottery information."

In this particular instance, the charge is likely justified. The sentence, however, is not. Mr. Foreman is sixty years old, so this harsh penalty equates to life in prison for him.

Our new lottery director, Esther Schneider, has said she wants to see the book thrown at Foreman. A fifty-year sentence is not enough, according to her. She is determined, she says, to bring integrity back to the Hoosier Lottery.

Now, it's not that I forgive Foreman for what he's done; it's more a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils. Mr. Foreman committed a serious crime but, overall, his crime pales in comparison to the frauds perpetrated by his corrupt superiors, and those are the people we're really after.

Four4me is correct; there are people involved in this scandal who apparently hold very high positions within our state government. LosingJeff and I have discussed the possibility that it could reach as high as the governor's office. We already know of three state representatives who were aware of these problems before the scratch-off ticket scandal went public, so we're relatively certain this is why our attorney general is protecting the Hoosier Lottery.

The severe penalty for "Disclosing Confidential Lottery Information" serves only to promote secrecy and deception in a public agency which should otherwise be a fishbowl; completely transparent and open to the minutest forms of public scrutiny.

The problem, as I see it, is that our legislature is hopelessly shortsighted, and they never bothered to clearly define the term, "Confidential Information." Given that, this law can be made to apply to anything; any type of technical violation, no matter how trivial, could be construed as divulgence. An hourly employee of the Hoosier Lottery who discusses her duties with her girlfriend could be charged with the same crime and face the identical fifty-year sentence 

Ms. Schneider is planning to hold Mr. Foreman's bloody head up before her remaining subjects as a warning: "This is what happens to people who talk!" We can't allow that to happen, so if we can use our evidence to help demonstrate that Mr. Foreman should be granted immunity for spilling his guts, then that's what we'll do. It's likely that he has much more information to share.

So buckle up and keep your hands in the car at all times, folks; this is about to get really ugly ...   

Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

Jim

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    Winning scratch off according to whose record for sales? Gtech records that the State is given. Enron gave impressive information, Arthur Anderson gave accounting information, and the law Firm Vinson and Elkins gave information. Was the information truthful. Aruthur Anderson is out of business. You nor I can prove what the acutal sales of one vendor over
    another really is. Giving some retailers the big tier scratch offs because we are told they sell more tickets is another make believe story, like Enron.
    If honest distribution is going on fromt the very begining then every retailer should have an equal chance of selling big tier winners. Not the case from the beginning. Since there is no public tracking system in place to show that their is no corruption involved one can only go by what they are told. Investors where told Enron was doing well, keep buying the stock when the people in charge knew it was all a lie. Scratch off tickets are placed in every license vendor store. Every vendor even the small vendors should have the same opportunity to receive big tier winning scratch off tickets. To place them where certain vendors get them will definitely increase sales for those vendors. Honest, fair no the lottery system in America is not honest or fair. I don't believe.   Believe contains the words I live lie.

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      The people of these United States don't really have anyone to lobby in their state for them concerning the Lottery Games, rules and regulations. If you want honest and fair games, you need to form a Lottery Union to represent the people. Your dollars are donated to your state and you really don't have the say as to what games, computerized or machines, what the payout will be. There also needs to be a tracking system by each congressional representive to how many vendors in their district, how many sales generated by each vendor, and how many winners in that district. The tracking needs to show if the people winning actually live in that district. This will then open the door to honest lottery. Some retailers seem to get the big hits over and over again on scratch off tickets. This should send a big signal that something is wrong with the distribution of the winning scratch off tickets. As for the online games their needs also a tracking system for total number of vendors and their actual sales in each congressional district, with the winners zip code in relation to the zip code of each vendor. Tracking where the money goes it important for open and honest games. Why can't we have live drawings and let the last winners of the bigger games hand draw the winning balls? It is said the hand is quicker than the eye and I say the machine is quicker than the eye and hand. When are we going to demand honest and fair drawings?

      Lottery players don't need a union to support which allegedly gives us a voice.

       

      We already have a very loud lobbying voice here on Lottery Post and a means to get the information out to the public which is the internet

      As individuals we are no longer helpless as we may have been lead to believe we are. 

      Dogged persistence and hard work are getting press attention, attention by authorities ...... because the voice is loud enough that it will not be shushed.

      Good luck to everyone!

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        While I appreciate the Lottery Post and Dawn Nettles of the Lottoreport,
        everyone who donates their money should have a fair shot at the pot. This is not the case in America. When the people of the District of Columbia went to the press and said if we don't have a winner (meaning the black people who had been supporting their lottery but never won the big money then quess what the pot hit in a black community!) Honest and fairness is not the lottery games of this country. Lie corruption and deceit are the rules of this game. Elected officals, commissioners, and the companys that operate the lottery in America know exactly what is going on. That why they use confidentialy, trade secrets, ect to justify telling the paying public the truth. Their is not one body that the people can turn to for a honest tracking system on the lottery games by state. Truth does not have to be hidden only untruths. Ask all the employees of Enron, Arthur Anderson that lost their jobs, retirement ect and tell me again we don't need a Union or some type of body to track lottery information and present it to the paying public. Oh and for those that believe the machines are random why does the games with 5 numbers always have idential repeat winnners? Jesus said let the dead bury the dead.

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          If anyone has any questions regarding security measures, pre and post drawing tests, rotation and retirement of ballsets and machines, all they have to do is inquire from their state lottery as to how and when  it is done.  Each state varies as to how that information is disseminated but it should be available as a matter of public disclosure.

          Yes, I believe that ball lottery draws are random and that just because someone doesn't win it doesn't mean that they were purposefully excluded from the jackpot.

          Buying a lottery ticket is buying a chance at winning all or part of a jackpot.

          Buying a ticket never automatically guarantees that a person will win or owns by default any portion of that jackpot. 

          Good luck to everyone!

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            After a few days I've decided to add my 2 cents to this thread.  Sorry if it's a bit long.

            First kudos to Jim for his efforts.  (By the way...how did they cut the numbers off the bottom of that mug shot?)

            (IMHO) Jim is entirely correct with regard to Ms Schneider's intentions.  (Again IMHO) She has no intention of reforming the Hoosier Lottery which she herself admits needs reforming.  She has every intention of mounting a public relations campaign aimed at (1) making it seem the Hoosier Lottery is being reformed and (2) promoting herself as the chief reformer.  A quote from her letter to me dated December 28, 2005 (Bolded words are mine):

            "I don't shy away from the fact there were many credibility and integrity issues at the Hoosier Lottery prior to my appointment in mid January 2005.  In an attempt to correct a litany of problems, the following are just a few of the changes the Lottery has made since my arrival: instituted stringent ticket handling policies; implimented critical pre-employment and employment screenings; restructured departments and reduced staff; created an internal affairs department; installed a new camera and monitoring system and has agressively started to prosecuted employees, retail clerks and players accussed of defrauding the system."

            Now this may sound good to some of you but it is absolutely meaningless when it comes to the main issues.  One of which has been mentioned many times here on Lottery Post.  i.e. the Random Number Generator (RNG).  Another quote from the same letter:

            "Moving on to the issue of the random number generator (RNG).  Most states have moved away from ball drawing machines because of thier propensity for human error and corrpution, such was the case in Lousiana and Pennsylvania, respectively.  The RNG program used by the Hoosier Lottery is certified by Gaming Labratory, Intrnational, an independent and accredited company that certifies all lotteries worldwide and also certifies many casinos internationally."

            She then goes on to discuss the actuall drawing process and I will post those remarks if anyone wants to read them.  She then concludes that section of the letter with:

            "It should be noted that the RNG is as reliable or perhaps more reliable than the ball machines which have to go through their own certification process to see that all the balls are actually in the machines, that none weigh more than others, that there is no foreign substance on any of the balls, etc."

            So the bottom line is this...despite it's unpopularity with the players, the computerized RNG at the Hoosier Lottery is here to stay.  She absolutely refuses to take the single biggest step towards lottery reform.  

            Now again some of you may not think this is such a big deal.  But I feel compelled to remind you all that not only does the Hoosier Lottery use a computerized RNG for it's drawings...the actual drawings are conducted in secret and not available to the general public.  (NOTE: the Hoosier Lottery maintains that any citizen can come to Indianapolis and witness a drawing.  And in fact the Executive director director invited me to Indianapolis for a tour:

            "However, in addition to addressing your concerns, this is an excellent opportunity for me to personally invite you to tour our operation in Indianapolis.  Touring our operation will provide you with first-hand knowledge and a clear understanding of the dramatic security changes that have been made over the past nine months as oppossed to reading disenchanted players' blogs that are based solely on emotions and not facts."  

            (NOTE: Take that Jim and Jeff!  You are simply disenchanted players relying on emotions and not facts!)

            Now let's get back to the subject of secret drawings.  Hoosier Lottery drawings are not televised.  And once again the Executive Director is committed to not televising them:

            "As far as televising the drawings, the Hoosier Lottery would be most egregious.  However, such is the case nationwide, television stations will not provide this service without an enormous fee and one a state agency simply cannot afford and maintain profits to the citizens of Indiana."

            So not only will we continue to have computerized drawing...but they will continue to hold them in secret.

            In addition to this the practice of blocking numbers will continue.  As I've said before I work for a retailer who sells Hoosier Lottery tickets.  I have been checking every day and what I have found is amazing.  Every day that I have looked, the number 9999 has been blocked from the Pick 4 Evening game.  That's every single day for over 2 weeks.  Yesterday I looked at 10:30 AM and indeed 9999 was blocked for that night's draw.  What does the Executive Director have to say about blocked numbers:

            "Being a state agency and having a fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayers (Insert NOTE: NOT the players) of Indiana, the Hoosier Lottery does indeed limit the number of players betting on a specific sequence of numbers each draw.  Again if you have properly researched individual states' websites as oppossed to reading blogs, you are aware that most states with smaller populations and lower on-line play also limit their liability."

            In another thread four4me got a response from someone at the Hoosier Lottery that said there was a $2 million liability.  Now keep this in mind.  If that were true, there would have to be 400 people in the state of Indiana all betting 9999 for the Daily 4 Evening game by 10:30 AM for it to warrant being cut off.  And remember 9999 has been cut off every day for more than 2 weeks so that means 400 people a day for more than 2 weeks straight would have to be betting that number.

            But that's not what the Executive Director is saying.  The Executive Director is saying that they limit certain numbers because they have low on line play and if those numbers were to hit they wouldn't be able to pay them.  Why?  Because if they actually pay out a prize they won't be able to make a profit!  So the bottom line is this...in order to insure that they never have to pay out on 9999...they simply block people from playing it.  Now if that isn't the definition of a rigged game you tell me what is!

            Finally, in respone to my question about the reduced jackpot payout and the extended annuity period...she bundled that together with my complaint about the disclaimer on the back of Hoosier Lottery tickets requiring all winners to meet with the press and lottery public relations people and said this:

            "While you may not agree that a lottery has the right to advertise winners or to restructure annuity payouts based on interest rates, these poilicies are within the rights of each lottery, dictated by each states' legislative authority.  In fact, most state lotteries operate solely by legislative authority and can regulate specific game payouts, such as the case with Indiana's Hoosier Lotto." 

            So the bottom line is (according to her) they are simply following state law. 

            Now I know some of you will not think any of this is all that bad.  But put it all together and it amounts to ths:

            As stated earlier in this thread, the Hoosier Lottery is simply a cash cow for the states. They don't give a damn about the players.  They will continue to conduct computerized drawings (despite their unpopularity), they will continue to conduct secret drawings (despite state law), they will continue to block numbers (so they don't have to pay out prizes), they continue to will change the rules, payouts, annuity times and anything else they so desire, at any time without notice and they will continue to exploit the winners shamelessly by forcing them to meet with the press, lottery public relations personal and be signing an agreement giving the Hoosier Lottery lifetime rights to the winner's name, photograph and comments.

            The Hoosier Lottery is indeed a cash cow for the state of Indiana.  And the players?  Well they are nothing more than sheep to sheared and lambs to be slaughtered.  They can play the game but they have absolutely no rights whatsoever.  

            I have stopped playing all Hoosier Lottery games (except for Powerball which is not under their control).  I encourage everyone else to do the same until some kind of meaningful reform (not some Stalinesque show trial) is actually implimented.

            Jim 


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              For me what is sad about the Oregon lottery is that they took the easy way out.  The lottery says the machines cost, the balls need to be cared for, the t.v. stations want us to pay to put the draws on.  Every body else is going to computerization so lets join them and the players lose out.  Forget the players we are only going to do what the laws says and that is if we feel like it.  I only play powerball on a regular basis and if they go to a computerized drawing I will probably find the casino more often then the lottery.  Once the ball drawings are all gone for me so will the fun and magic of watching the draws and the feeling you get when you see that you have won.-weshar75 


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                weshar:

                So why does OR keep Lose for Life going without a cash option, since the WA scratch game Lucky for Life has a $750,000 buyout?

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                  weshar:

                  So why does OR keep Lose for Life going without a cash option, since the WA scratch game Lucky for Life has a $750,000 buyout?

                  I do not play Win for life because the prize is to small and the do not let you cash it out.  Oregon has a lot of things they do wrong.

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                    Great post, Uncle Jim!

                    "Being a state agency and having a fiduciary responsibility to the taxpayers (Insert NOTE: NOT the players) of Indiana, the Hoosier Lottery does indeed limit the number of players betting on a specific sequence of numbers each draw.  Again if you have properly researched individual states' websites as oppossed to reading blogs, you are aware that most states with smaller populations and lower on-line play also limit their liability."

                    I noticed she didn't mention the 288 numbers which have been essentially removed from the field in the Pick-3 game since 1999. It should be noted that we have researched other state lotteries' websites; a comparison between the Hoosier Lottery and other state lotteries comprises an entire section of our evidence file. The irony lies in the fact that Indiana state law requires the Hoosier lottery to make these very same comparisons in order to ensure a competitive game (see below):

                    IC 4-30-3-5  Commission Studies

                    Sec. 5  The commission shall make a continuing study of the following:

                    (1)   The lottery, in order to ascertain any amendments necessary to this article or to rules adopted under this article that could prevent any abuses in the administration of the lottery (Yeah, well, that ship has sailed, I'm afraid).

                    (2)  The operation and administration of similar lottery laws in other states and of federal laws that may affect the lottery (We already ignore the laws which were written to govern our operations; what do we care what the Feds think?)

                    (3)  The reaction of the public to existing and potential features of the lottery (Like we care!).

                    I've requested the results of these studies many times, but my requests go unanswered, because this happens to be one of those laws which is not convenient for the Hoosier Lottery, and so they simply choose to ignore it, along with the one that guarantees us a public drawing.

                    Ms. Schneider is correct when she says that smaller states with more successful lotteries also limit their liability; they do indeed. They also make it a point to do it legally, setting those liability limits down in writing and making sure the general public is aware of where to find them, something the Hoosier Lottery refuses to do. I've made several requests asking where this $2M limit is written but, again, no answers are forthcoming, because we have no liability limit. Rather than adopt such a fair and open policy, the Hoosier Lottery regularly alludes to these fictitious limits, but prefers instead to actively track player selections as they're being sold. This allows them to cut off any number they want at any time they want, regardless of ticket sales.

                    I remain convinced that their RNG is connected to their central database which keeps track of player selections. This is the only way to explain all of the Pick-4 payouts of three or four thousand dollars a day in a state of six million people whose lottery routinely boasts of record ticket sales, but then defends their low payouts with claims that no one is buying their tickets, and because the smaller lotteries such as those in Delaware, Virginia and South Carolina have the advantage of attracting more players from their numerous border states.

                    Now, back to liability limits.

                    The following is an excerpt from the minutes of the January 7, 2002 meeting of the South Carolina Educational Lottery:

                    Liability Limits/ Multi-Digit Games

                    "Mr. Rhodes explained a phenomenon that occurs in a multi-digit game when a very large proportion of players select the same combination of numbers, which could result in a large payout. Unless specifically controlled, SCEL could experience a net loss for a significant period of time. To avoid this phenomenon, lotteries may restrict the selection of the same combination of numbers after a certain level has been reached, thereby controlling the liability of the lottery. Staff surveyed seventeen state lotteries regarding their practices and found that none have performed a mathematical analysis, but subjectively set a level of liability that seems reasonable and which may be adjusted. Staff recommended that SCEL use a $3.5 million liability limit for its 3-digit game, which is similar to the average of other lotteries."

                    That's what a mandated liability limit looks like, so now if you ever see one, you'll be able to identify it.

                    Indiana's fictional liability limit of $2 million is apparently still below average. If they're going to pretend to have a liability limit, the Hoosier Lottery should adopt an imaginary five million-dollar limit for their Daily-3 game, and then advertise it as the highest in the nation (the fact that it's not real will remain our little secret; just toss it on the pile with the rest).

                    I don't want to encourage Ms. Schneider to break the law (like it would matter), but such a policy would increase ticket sales. 

                    Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

                    Jim

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                      i remain convinced that this is just waiting to fall into the right persons hands and then this thing will explode.they just CAN'T keep getting away with this.i think they are pushing the limits but they are doing it in a very sneaky underhanded way.using it to their advantage and bending their own rules as they go.but nothing last forever and the day of reckoning will dawn..........

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                        The playing people of every state do have power to force change. This change will come when we force with petitions on voting day in each state. What needs to happen is for the people of each state to force the issues on the Statewide elections. Force the State to return to machine games (I'd prefer the last winners draw the balls in a public setting like a football stadium or basketball, soccer ect.) The State does not want hand drawings? Why one might ask? Well, they said because it would be corrupt. Hey thats a big joke! The money is controlled that's why.
                        The machines and balls, and computerized generation is corrupt. The hidden drawings, the pretest drawings are not viewed here in Texas unless you go to Austin. Now is it fair to all people of the State that only one location for the drawings occurs? Force legislation can change this. When there is corruption in a billion dollar a year enterprise, you can bet there is good cause for not having live drawings. The lottery officals and Commissioners are tied into Gtech Corporation. The State Legislators are given money by Gtech for their elections. Gtech controls all terminals and all numbers played, whether you pick them or their corrupt terminals do.
                        Par mutual wagering is what is keeping the lottery corrupt. The tier structure is what limits the State intake and payout to the players. It should have been out dated a long time ago.

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                          I want to respond to something four4me said earlier in this thread because I think it's important for Lottery Post members to understand why so many of us think the Hoosier Lottery is rigged.

                          The point four4me made (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) is that larger volume retailers can expect to have more top tier prizes because they sell more tickets.  I think there is a lot of truth in that statement.  It stands to reason that if tickets are distrubuted randomly someone who gets 10,000 tickets will have a better chance of getting a large winner than someone who only gets 100 ticlets.

                          The point some of us are trying to make is that (again IMHO) the distribution of Hoosier Lottery scratch off tickets is anything but random.  It is (IMHO) predetermined by the Hoosier Lottery.  They decide...that is to say they make a conscience and deliberate decision as to where the winners go.

                          Consider this:

                          The Hoosier Lottery website lists scratch off winners of $100,000 by county.  The following numbers come directly from their website:

                          Once again Marion County (Indianapolis) is far and away the leader in top tier prizes with a total of 46 winners of $100,000 or more.  (By the way these figure exclude those people who won a chance to appear on the now defunct Hoosier Millioniare show and won money there.)  Marion County has a population of approximately 863,000 people.

                          Taking 2 large counties in Indiana...Lake County and Allen County...with a combined total of approximately 833,000 people you have a total of 17 top tier winners.  (8 in Lake and 7 in Allen.)  These 2 counties have only approximately 30,000 less people than Marion County yet Marion County has 3  times as many winners.  (By the way these 2 counties are home to 3 of Indiana's largest cities...Gary, Hammond and Ft Wayne.)

                          Without sales figures it is impossible to tell if the people of Marion County are buying more tickets or if they are just 3 times as lucky as the residents of these other 2 counties.  But one thing is for sure...Marion County gets the majority of top tier winning tickets.

                          Now to make matters even worse consider this:

                          The 21 following counties in Indiana have never in 15 1/2 years of Hoosier Lottery play had a single top tier winner:

                          Newton...White...Whitley...Huntington...Randolph...Benton...Warren...Montgomery...Decatur...Fayette...Union...Warrick...Daviess...Spencer...Perry...Crawford...Washington...Harrison...Scott...Dearborn...and Ohio.

                          Addimittedly these are not very populous counties.  Their combined population is approximately 548,000 people.  And again we have no sales figures to go by so we can only look at these facts and speculate as to the reason there has never been a top tier winner fromany of these 21 counties.  But again the easy answer is...these conties have never had a top tier winning ticket.

                          And when you consider that Marion County (Indianapoils) has not only had far and away the most winners...but it has also had multiple top tier winners in the same game...5 players from Marion County won a combined total of $500,000 playing Bankroll and 4 players from Marion County won a combined total of $2,300,000 playing 2 Million Cash...you have to begin asking questions.

                          While some people may say that this proves the point four4me was making...personally, I find it impossible to believe that all these winning tickets just happened to be randomly distributed to Marion County and that the 21 aforementioned counties just happend to not get any.  Not a single top tier winning ticket in 15 1/2 years.  By the way I left out approximately 12 or more counties that have had only 1 top tier winner.  If you factor those numbers in then what you have is roughly 1/3 of the counties in Indiana who in 15 1/2 years of play have either never had a top tier winner or have just had 1. 

                          All any player in Indiana wants is a fair chance at winning.  Pay you dollar and take you chances.  But we all know that the best indicator of future behavior is past performance.  Given the data...forget about the history of scandal and the last rigged scratch off game just consider the data and ask yourselves this:

                          Why would anyone outside of Marion County pay their dollar when they have absolutely no chance of winning at all?  If you live in one of those 21 counties I mentioned the odds are worse than astronimical...they are non-existent.   

                          If these tickets were truly distributed randomly...then one would expect that in 15 1/2 years of play...there would be a far more equitable distribution of winners state wide than the numbers show.  But as with the Hoosier Lottery's Lotto game the pattern remains the same...the vast bulk of the winners come from Marion County.

                          Is this proof the game is rigged?  Is it proof that the people of Marion County buy substantially more lottery tickets than the rest of the state?  Or is it proof that the people of Marion County are just a whole lot luckier than the rest of the citizens of the state?  Well one thing it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt is that the vast bulk of top tier winning scratch off tickets go to Marion County.

                          And If you believe the Hooseir Lottery, this fact (coincidence?) is nothng more than brain fodder for a bunch of disgruntled losers and wild eyed conspiracy nuts.

                          So...you tell me.

                          Jim 


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                            i think the reason this thing hasn't gotten the interest it should is because a lot of people are dismissing it without looking at all the facts.the media,police,etc. all are probably thinking..."ahh just another disgruntled loser that can't handle losing".they dismiss it without truly looking into it.that and plus the fact that a lot of them are afraid for their careers or afraid to step on someone elses toes so they just ignore it outright.it isn't right.but i still say the right person is going to come along and give this the attention it deserves........

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                              Excellent work Jim,

                              This indicates to me that someone may very well know where the tickets are before distribution, and are placed in higher populated area. The key here being that someone at the Lottery may very well know what batches contain the big tickets prior to distribution. How else could so many counties be excluded? I have always said that geography is a factor. The Daily games are no different. I seriously question the validity of the security for these scratch offs and the RNG.

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