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Posted: April 11, 2006, 10:55 am - IP Logged

I never mentioned Bush in my original posting, which was just about improving voting, but the moderator here did in his response, so I guess we are free to talk about him. 

Here is one more thing to think about in regard to the president. From www.tbrnews.org .

>"There is a time bomb ticking away that will do little to assist Bush in regaining political heaven and that is the treatment of the dead GIs. It seems that the faulty electrical power at the Baghdad morgue means that many of the corpses of the fallen are badly rotten when they get back to the states and the DoD is now forbidding families to open the caskets. Of course they can’t do this but that doesn’t stop them from trying. Also, the desertion rates are skyrocketing,  and former military personnel are refusing to be recalled in huge numbers. They can harass and arrest a few but not a few thousand. Some of these soldiers are talking at length and in public about the horrible, deliberate atrocities they and their fellows are wreaking on Iraqi civilians and all of this is being covered by the foreign, but not the domestic, media. Bush could care less if the dead soldiers were put into a wood chipper and used as fertilizer, has never gone to any military funeral and never will. The dead were merely a means to an end and nothing more."

I would think even if you think Mr. Bush is a great man and the cause is just, you would have a hard time explaining his lousy treatment of soldiers and their families, the repeated recalling of honorably discharged servicemen and his refusal to attend a single military funeral.  Is this all just "liberal propaganda", "lies and personal attacks"?  Is Bush in fact treating soldiers and the dead with respect? 

It is obvious they need all the good men and women they can find over there. I would hope anyone who believes in Bush, God, and fighting mini-Hitlers wherever they pop up on the planet will join the military and help out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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    Posted: April 11, 2006, 12:48 pm - IP Logged

    Todd writes:  "Sorry that God offends you,"

    This is exactly what I mean.  Where did I say that?  What I find offensive is when people who do not share the same beliefs are accused of being anti-God and anti-American. We were once a country that supported free speech and fresh ideas. There are many soldiers serving our country who do not support the war. I personally spoke to a few of them when employed at a certain job. Are they unAmerican? I'm sure you've heard of soldiers like Al Lorentz who was deployed in Iraq and wrote many articles against the war. He was accused of being anti-American even though he served our country for over 20 years. (Bush didn't even show up for duty!) He wrote:

    "Because the current administration is more concerned with its image than it is with reality, it prefers symbolism to substance: soldiers are dying here and being maimed and crippled for life. It is tragic, indeed criminal that our elected public servants would so willingly sacrifice our nation's prestige and honor as well as the blood and treasure to pursue an agenda that is historic and un-Constitutional.

    It is all the more ironic that this un-Constitutional mission is being performed by citizen soldiers such as myself who swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States, the same oath that the commander in chief himself has sworn."

    I could send you letters written by many ministers, rabbis and priests who feel this war is immoral and illegal, but it wouldn't do any good. I guess you'd just say they don't love God either. You can call me anything you want, but when people are committing acts of war and violence in His name, while profiting from the death & suffering of others, I would imagine God is the one who is offended.

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      Posted: April 11, 2006, 1:55 pm - IP Logged

      justxploring,

      You sound defensive.  Where did I acuse you of being anti-American?  It's really not my fault if that's the way you feel.  Frankly, if I took an opposing view to my country's main mission (defeating terrorism around the world), I guess I would feel the same way.  But I support our mission, so I don't feel that way.

      Sorry, but I think God would be far more offended at Saddam Hussein, torturing children in front of their parents, rape rooms, summary executions, mass exterminations, and so on, than He would be at George Bush ridding the world of that monster.

       

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        Posted: April 11, 2006, 3:55 pm - IP Logged

        As long as God could overlook the 34,000+ Iraqi civilian deaths, the 2,353+ U.S. military deaths, the far higher numbers of grievously injured and damaged on both sides, the long term poison effects of depleted uranium and white phosphorous on both Iraqis and U.S. soldiers, the replacement of Saddam's torture by U.S. military torture at Abu Gharaib and other places, and all the many lies told by Bush and his cronies to con the American public, I'm sure God will be much less offended.  That must be the Old Testament fire and brimstone God.