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Posted: January 30, 2009, 4:32 pm - IP Logged

Maybe he should have told them no and explained to them that he needed to save his business so they could all keep thier jobs. If that was the truth behind his decision not too share his commission, but too fire them just plain old stinks!!!! I don't even understand the people who feel that this guy was even remotely right or smart for the way he handled this whole situation. I personally think some of you have no compassion if it happened to you we would see a whole different point of view. I don't feel he had to share his commision or even explain himself but sometimes we have to do things were not used to doing just because it's right and will save ourselves and others a whole lot of heartache and regret. I wish those ex-employees well and hope they find more loyal employers, some actually do care about their workers. That will probably take a while since they will likely have to explaine why they were fired from their last job.

Don't take this personal, but your post makes absolutely no sense at all!  You say one thing and then the next statement contradicts what you previously said.

First you start off by saying "Maybe he should have told them no and explained...."  Then a few sentences later, you say, "I don't even understand the people who feel that this guy was even remotely right...."  Then here's the kicker...a few sentences after that, you say, "I don't feel he had to share his commission or even explain himself...psychobabble...psychobabble."

Perhaps the former manager and the other ex-employees should have THOUGHT first before having that former manager speak on their behalf...if they would have understood their roles and thought about it first, they would have just kept their wishes to themselves and did their jobs. 

Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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    While the store may not be required to share the commission, it would be morally right if they did share some of it. If stores had a policy of sharing any commission, it would encourage staff and boost morale.

    Just like I don't get Wall St. financial services companies doling out bonus when the companies weren't profitable last year, I also don't see how sharing in any commission would encourage staff nor boost morale.

    The clerks get paid to do specified job tasks.  People of their own volition come in purchase lottery tickets and other products.  The only time I have ever heard a clerk "selling" the lottery is whenever the Powerball or Megamillions jackpot amounts had gotten HUGE.  But I would say that whether a person chose to buy a ticket or not had little to do with that suggestion, but more so with the fact the jackpot was huge and that person did not have any moral hangups or financial constraints in buying a lottery ticket. 

    The only way a clerk could even remotely hope to get a tip from me is if I was filling out a lottery playslip and couldn't decide on a 6th number, and the clerk says such and such a number is my lucky number...I bet on it when I played russian roulette in Atlantic City/Vegas/whereever the casino is located and won XXXX dollars...and I happened to play it and all six numbers match for that drawing.  Now obviously, that clerk would have no legal right to any of my winnings, so don't even think to suggest that I should tip the clerk 1/6th of my winnings.  No I would give the clerk a commisserate tip reflecting my gratitude...like maybe a Benjamin or two. Nothing over the top.

    Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

    The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

      justxploring's avatar - villiarna
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      Posted: January 31, 2009, 1:26 am - IP Logged

      $10,000

      $5,000

      $2,000

      Are you guys crazy?  Why would some gas station, anywhere, give employees that much of a bonus? 

      Maybe the equivalent of one week's wages, but not thousands of dollars.  They are not entitled to it anymore than if the gas station showed a profit of $255,000 in the normal course of business.  And they had the guts to ask if the owners would share?  Huh?  IF I want to share, it will be offered, you don't ask.

      Quote: (Former manager Sabu Elvumkll of Park Ridge met with the owners on behalf of the cashiers to ask that some of the $255,000 commission be shared with the other employees.)

      I Agree!

      A week's wages would have been more than generous.  In response to Scary's comments, I do agree that firing them for asking would have been unethical.  However, I doubt if that's what really happened.  If they were disgruntled and he felt they would steal from him or cause harm to his business, he probably had no choice.   

      This is no different from a clerk expecting to share your lottery jackpot.  There's nothing wrong with giving a tip if you so choose, but would you give a clerk $10,000 if you won $255,000?  Anyway, he has to pay tax on the commission, so it's not really $255,000.  The cable company didn't give me a free month because it made a huge profit and I've been a loyal Comcast customer for over 12 years.  Unless these people invested money in the business, they don't have any "rights" to the money.  That's simply ridiculous.

        PaPlayer412's avatar - DiscoBallGlowing
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        I Agree!

        A week's wages would have been more than generous.  In response to Scary's comments, I do agree that firing them for asking would have been unethical.  However, I doubt if that's what really happened.  If they were disgruntled and he felt they would steal from him or cause harm to his business, he probably had no choice.   

        This is no different from a clerk expecting to share your lottery jackpot.  There's nothing wrong with giving a tip if you so choose, but would you give a clerk $10,000 if you won $255,000?  Anyway, he has to pay tax on the commission, so it's not really $255,000.  The cable company didn't give me a free month because it made a huge profit and I've been a loyal Comcast customer for over 12 years.  Unless these people invested money in the business, they don't have any "rights" to the money.  That's simply ridiculous.

        This story really makes me disgusted. Typical Greed. And people wonder why we are in a resession.

        Play the lottery and scratch off's when you can afford to or have some spare change laying around.

        DO NOT WASTE you money, You should be saving it. The ammount you spend to the returns you get

        are not equal. Inless you win millions of dolalrs.

         

        HAVE common sense!

         

        Good luck with your number and tickets

        "They say it's not the hand delt but it's how you play your cards"

          truecritic's avatar - PirateTreasure
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          This story really makes me disgusted. Typical Greed. And people wonder why we are in a resession.

          Play the lottery and scratch off's when you can afford to or have some spare change laying around.

          DO NOT WASTE you money, You should be saving it. The ammount you spend to the returns you get

          are not equal. Inless you win millions of dolalrs.

           

          HAVE common sense!

           

          Good luck with your number and tickets

          Your post is unclear...typical greed on whose part?  I would assume the workers but it is not clear from what you posted.

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            Ah, the entitlement society. Roll Eyes

            Maybe the ex-employees can put their pennies together and win their own jackpot, then everyone can be happy.

            In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
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              Taking my cue from this article, I decided to nip any future misunderstanding in the bid.  I call my staff into the kitchen and told them straight out that should this corporation recieve any windfall from Powerball that they would not (and I emphasized NOT) recieve any benefit.

              My kids wondered what a Powerball was and my wife promptly dumped my supper into the garbage disposal.

              Should I fire them?

              Fire them right now so they can't make any claim to your winnings!!!  Just kidding!  But you might want to keep an eye out on your wife...if you happened to win, does she have the looks and potentially the desire to strike out as a free agent and try to join another team (if you know what I mean)?  If she is the happy homebody type, I wouldn't worry too much; but if she is a looker and likes to have "girls nights out" type, all I can say is watch out...because you know what happens when a bunch of women get together and start gabbing!

              Anyway, my corporation is only between myself and my brother...my wife will never know that I won and if she did get a clue about it, I could easily just say my brother won and I am just a beneficiary in helping him with his business and investment pursuits...be happy with that brand new Mercedez I bought you and quit questioning where the cash flow is coming from!  I would also become a legal pimp...Nevada here I come!!!

              Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

              The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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                This is typical of the american economic setup lowpaid workers manning the front lines for wealthy corporations with a high expectation of loyalty for the company without proper compensation. And the general publics perception is that they are unworthy of any bonuses. Yet wall street pokes america in the butt and still receives thier bonuses.


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                  This is typical of the american economic setup lowpaid workers manning the front lines for wealthy corporations with a high expectation of loyalty for the company without proper compensation. And the general publics perception is that they are unworthy of any bonuses. Yet wall street pokes america in the butt and still receives thier bonuses.

                  I think Americans ARE outraged that the Wall Street thieves are getting bonus's for stealing America blind,but can't figure out how to stop the thievery.Washington is not helping the situation by bailing out the thieves.

                  As for the gas station owner,its his right to fire anyone that he thinks needs firing.Thinking that they deserved to share in HIS bonus sounds to me to be a good reason to fire them.He paid them to do a certain job,not to help him spend HIS bonus.If they were supposed to get a bonus,the lottery would have sent them a check,too.

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                    "This is typical of the american economic setup lowpaid workers manning the front lines for wealthy corporations with a high expectation of loyalty for the company without proper compensation. And the general publics perception is that they are unworthy of any bonuses. Yet wall street pokes america in the butt and still receives thier bonuses."

                    Wall Street bonuses, CEO bonuses especially when they are over paid to begin with, is dispicable.   But are you suggesting bonuses should be given to follow the despicable path rather than do what we can to stop that reprehensible practice?


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                      This news story really makes me mad. There was no need to fire their employees. None. If they didn't want to give any employees any of the money they should have just said no. They didn't have to fire them. I hope the store owners lose a lot of business.  I don't believe for one second that all of the employees were doing such a bad job that they all needed to be fired at the same time. If they were all horrible employees why weren't they fired earlier? It all boils down to the owners being greedy.

                      Mad

                      Yes he is the one that needs to fired, could not agree more.

                      aberdeennut..

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                        ".....Former manager Sabu Elvumkll of Park Ridge met with the owners on behalf of the cashiers to ask that some of the $255,000 commission be shared with the other employees. .......

                        My question is whether Elvumkll assumed he was entitled to all or part of the bonus simply because he happened to manage the store.  

                        Don't believe we're hearing all the facts.  However, mission accomplished by story author, we're spending time talking about it.

                        Good luck to everyone!

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                          Store owner allegedly sold winning lottery ticket, fired staff to avoid sharing commission

                          Selling the winning lottery ticket turned out to be unlucky for four employees at the gas station that sold the $25.5 million ticket Jan. 3.

                          The employees, a former manager and three cashiers, allege that they were fired because the Wadsworth Mobil owner did not want to share the one percent commission he received for the winning ticket.

                          "I'm kind of sorry we sold the winning ticket only because it cost everybody their job," said former cashier Sandy Creamer.

                          Former manager Sabu Elvumkll of Park Ridge met with the owners on behalf of the cashiers to ask that some of the $255,000 commission be shared with the other employees.

                          Shortly after this meeting, Elvumkll and the other employees were let go.

                          The commission is paid to the gas station owner six to eight weeks after the winning ticket was sold, said Illinois Lottery spokeswoman Laura Lehmann.

                          "Whoever is the owner of that store would receive that one percent. Whatever they decide to do with that money is up to them," Lehmann said. "Most do put it into revitalizing their retail location."

                          She added that while many also share with their employees, they are under no obligation to do so.

                          Wadsworth Mobil owner Jose Mathew of Elmhurst said he lost about $200,000 from the land's high rent.

                          "God gave me the gift to cover the loss to pay back a credit card," Mathew said.

                          He added that he felt no obligation to share the commission with any of the employees.

                          Mathews said he fired Elvumkll because he was short of inventory, and said he fired the cashiers for failing to show up to work with a new manager.

                          The former employees all tell a different story and say it's strange that all the staff involved with the winning lottery ticket sale were replaced.

                          Creamer, who worked there for about nine months, said she and the others never missed a day. The cashier job was her second job, which was necessary for her to supplement her income after her husband passed away.

                          "I think everybody was treated unfairly — it all stems from greed," Creamer said.

                          Like Creamer, former cashier Donn'ye Watkins of Waukegan showed up for work last weekend and was told he wasn't needed any more. "I asked if all this was about the lottery (and) was told not to worry and that we have someone to replace you," Watkins said.

                          Elvumkll was taken aback at the inventory charge. He poured his own money into stocking the store when he took over its management, Watkins and Creamer said.

                          They added that they all ran the store and that the owner was rarely around.

                          "(The owner) is talking like that because he wants to fire everybody because he doesn't want to share the money," Elvumkll said.

                          Nasty business: four employees allege they were fired because the owner of this Wadsworth Mobil station didn't want to share his lottery bonus.
                          Nasty business: four employees allege they were fired because the owner of this Wadsworth Mobil station didn't want to share his lottery bonus.

                          Thanks to ThatScaryChick for the tip.

                          This story really touched my heart. With the way the economy is now and thousands of people are loosing their jobs and is hard to support their families, this is all about greed. The owner could have done whatever with the money received, so I really don't see why people lost their jobs because of this. I am sure that if it happens again, the new employees will be let go as well. I say, have a heart, it would have not hurt to give the workers something for all of their hard work... He will not be blessed because of this, you just don't treat people this way...

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                            $255,000.00 is enough to buy a business wit.  I would buy a franshisey.

                            Cash station employess make up to $12.00 an hour.  who cares about $12 bucks when you can buy your own business. hhm?Smile

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                              I think she was only saying that firing the employees was not good.  Employees get upset about things lots of times, but you can't go firing them just for being upset -- it's a human emotion.

                              It's the guy's choice what to do with his money, but if he had thrown them some bucks quickly (like another recent new story showed a store owner doing), he would probably have happy, productive employees, and a better reputation ... and a lot of money.

                              Hi Todd!

                              I agree!

                              I also think that situations like this can expose who you really are.....This owner may have gained money, but he is seriously lacking in the things that matter the most... 

                              Yes its true,  he did not have to give them anything.  But if he had, I am sure it would have made for some really happy employees..........

                              It seems like there was enough money for this owner to pay off whatever debt/loss he had on this property ($200K) and STILL give to his employees!

                              I really hope these people find jobs and fast, and I hope their new employer will be more appreciative of who they are.