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Posted: November 6, 2009, 12:56 am - IP Logged

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    Posted: November 6, 2009, 1:29 am - IP Logged

    The Texas Lottery can afford it easily, so pay up morons.

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      Posted: November 6, 2009, 12:40 pm - IP Logged

      Sure they could afford it, but the state could "afford" to pay people for all kinds of losses. Giving away money they don't have to reduces how much goes towards government expenses, which is otherwise funded through taxes. Do you think the state should reimburse everyone who has something stolen from them? If I buy an Ipod at Best Buy and have it stolen, should Apple give me a new one?

      It's too bad that the guy was ignorant enough to let somebody steal his ticket, but  there's only one person at fault for that. It's his own fault, not the lottery's.

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        Posted: November 7, 2009, 1:20 am - IP Logged

        Actually no it isn't his fault. You can't blame the victim in a crime. Buying an Ipod and a once in a lifetime lottery jackpot ticket are two entirely different things, especially when that ticket is a winner. Not to mention  A LOT more expensive than an Ipod. That kind of money should be insured by the lottery, and yes they are liable. Again, you don't blame the victim in a crime regardless of how incoherent they are.

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          Actually no it isn't his fault. You can't blame the victim in a crime. Buying an Ipod and a once in a lifetime lottery jackpot ticket are two entirely different things, especially when that ticket is a winner. Not to mention  A LOT more expensive than an Ipod. That kind of money should be insured by the lottery, and yes they are liable. Again, you don't blame the victim in a crime regardless of how incoherent they are.

          I must disagree with you up to a point. In this case you can blame the victim. If you read the two previous stories, you will see that this crime against Mr. Willis could've been prevented or significantly reduced had he taken the time to check his own tickets and most of all had he signed his ticket. I do not condone the theft in any shape form or fashion. But there is no way on God's green earth you or anyone can excuse Mr. Willis' actions or lack there of.

          Mr. Willis must be held accountable for his actions or lack there of and the price he is to pay is the money lost because of his carelessness.

          Everywhere on the lottery paperwork players are told by the lottery commission to sign their tickets and that the lottery is not responsible for lost or stolen tickets. The lottery commission did not print this on everything just because they did not have anything better to do. They also state on the back of the playslips and other items that anyone who possesses an unsigned ticket may be able to claim a prize.

          The Tx Lottery Commission has no reason to insure this kind of money. If you are gonna play the game then follow the rules. You have no right to cry foul when you leave yourself wide open the way Mr. Willis did. I compare this to laying down with dogs, getting up with fleas, and complaining about the smell and the flea bites.

          The only thing Mr. Willis is entitled to is the $365,000 the state was able to recover. Nothing more. Nothing less.

          My advice to anyone is, for the love of GOD people.........

          SIGN YOUR TICKET!! SIGN YOUR TICKET!! SIGN YOUR TICKET!!

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            Posted: November 10, 2009, 2:33 am - IP Logged

            Umm no it is not the victim's fault at all, it NEVER is. If we went by your philosophy there would be a lot more empty jail cells. Preventing or preparing for a crime is irrelevant. Although it is certainly a good thing to do it still does not place blame on a victim because someone else decides to commit a crime. If that was the case we could all just go out and murder someone and say "Well they should have known it was coming and had their door locked, it is their fault!" Bullcrap. Willis did not sign the tickets because he did not know they were winners, he was getting them "checked" by what he considered to be an honest store clerk, who was actually a con-artist, thief, and a liar.

            Not everyone has a lot of common sense or lottery knowledge, or access to a computer to check numbers. So they should be blamed if they are victimized? Please. Who is going to sign every ticket they get? Not many, as most tickets are losers. He is entitled to the FULL amount he won, not only the amount recovered, ESPECIALLY since the Lottery knos there was a crime comitted and who did it! It might be different if someone lost an unsigned ticket and had no proof it was theirs, but in this case all the evidence is there.

            This isn't the same as someone stealing money from your house. If what you suggest is the best way to do things, then I guess the lottery should hire a few million store clerks to work for them to cheat honest customers out of their jackpot wins, it would cost them a lot less money. They could just pay the amount recovered then after the clerk is done vacationing.

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              Posted: November 10, 2009, 4:18 am - IP Logged

              If what you suggest is the best way to do things, then I guess the lottery should hire a few million store clerks to work for them to cheat honest customers out of their jackpot wins, it would cost them a lot less money.

              You assume a thieving store clerk would give everything he stole to the one who hired him.  Well this store clerk was hired by the store owner and the store owner didn't get any of his loot.  The lottery would be out of the same amount of money regardless of who collected the winnings, the customer or the thief.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                Posted: November 10, 2009, 11:35 am - IP Logged

                The Lottery Commission may well be within their legal rights to withhold payment but for an agency that depends on consumer confidence I think it would be in their best interest to just pay the man his winnings in the spirit of good will and just doing the right thing.

                Maybe they should keep a fund of all the unclaimed millions they haven't paid out as a contingency for just such an occasion as this.

                Legalities aside (and I don't take them lightly), they should just do the right thing in this instance.


                                                             
                                     
                                                         

                 

                 

                 

                 

                                                                                                                   

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                  Posted: November 10, 2009, 2:30 pm - IP Logged

                  The Lottery Commission may well be within their legal rights to withhold payment but for an agency that depends on consumer confidence I think it would be in their best interest to just pay the man his winnings in the spirit of good will and just doing the right thing.

                  Maybe they should keep a fund of all the unclaimed millions they haven't paid out as a contingency for just such an occasion as this.

                  Legalities aside (and I don't take them lightly), they should just do the right thing in this instance.

                  The Lottery Commission did pay out on the ticket. They honored their part of the transaction when they cashed the ticket. The problem here is the person collecting the money stole the ticket. The TX Lottery Commission has printed on their playslips, brochures, and other items that they are not responsible for any lost or stolen tickets. this is the direct quotation:

                   

                  "Sign ticket before claiming. Unsigned tickets could be claimed by whoever possesses the ticket.

                  The Texas Lottery is not responsible for lost or stolen tickets."

                  For some reason folks seem to have a hard time accepting this. Once the TX Lottery paid out on the ticket they were removed from the equation. The problem now is for Mr. Willis to recover his funds from the state, who said they will give him the $365,000, and to try to get the remaining money from the thieving store clerk.

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                    Posted: November 10, 2009, 2:55 pm - IP Logged

                    The Lottery Commission did pay out on the ticket. They honored their part of the transaction when they cashed the ticket. The problem here is the person collecting the money stole the ticket. The TX Lottery Commission has printed on their playslips, brochures, and other items that they are not responsible for any lost or stolen tickets. this is the direct quotation:

                     

                    "Sign ticket before claiming. Unsigned tickets could be claimed by whoever possesses the ticket.

                    The Texas Lottery is not responsible for lost or stolen tickets."

                    For some reason folks seem to have a hard time accepting this. Once the TX Lottery paid out on the ticket they were removed from the equation. The problem now is for Mr. Willis to recover his funds from the state, who said they will give him the $365,000, and to try to get the remaining money from the thieving store clerk.

                    Ditto Perdue, you are absolutely right, he should have signed the ticket, he is the sole owner, it is his responsibility.  I know that when I buy tickets I sign mine as soon as I get them and I always check my own ticket there has been too many instances where people have been frauded out of there winnings.  Mr. Willis should take responsibility for his own lack  security by not signing his ticket.

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                      Posted: November 10, 2009, 5:06 pm - IP Logged

                      The Lottery Commission did pay out on the ticket. They honored their part of the transaction when they cashed the ticket. The problem here is the person collecting the money stole the ticket. The TX Lottery Commission has printed on their playslips, brochures, and other items that they are not responsible for any lost or stolen tickets. this is the direct quotation:

                       

                      "Sign ticket before claiming. Unsigned tickets could be claimed by whoever possesses the ticket.

                      The Texas Lottery is not responsible for lost or stolen tickets."

                      For some reason folks seem to have a hard time accepting this. Once the TX Lottery paid out on the ticket they were removed from the equation. The problem now is for Mr. Willis to recover his funds from the state, who said they will give him the $365,000, and to try to get the remaining money from the thieving store clerk.

                      Maybe the TLC can give Mr. Willis a pair of hiking boots instead so he can negotiate the mountains of Katmandu with his team of lawyers in tow looking for the rest of his money then. Maybe that would be payment enough for trusting a de facto agent of the TLC.

                      Just because something is legal doesn't make it right.


                                                                   
                                           
                                                               

                       

                       

                       

                       

                                                                                                                         

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                        Posted: November 10, 2009, 5:40 pm - IP Logged

                        Maybe the TLC can give Mr. Willis a pair of hiking boots instead so he can negotiate the mountains of Katmandu with his team of lawyers in tow looking for the rest of his money then. Maybe that would be payment enough for trusting a de facto agent of the TLC.

                        Just because something is legal doesn't make it right.

                        I would agree with you if one thing was not so obvious.

                        I would be one of the main people spamming the TLC saying give this man his million dollars had he signed the ticket and the clerk removed his name and inserted his name and then cashed in the ticket. But that did not happen. You know as well as I how easy a determined crook could finagle a way to remove Mr. Willis' name had it been on the ticket.  But in this case no The TLC is not is the wrong here.

                        You have to keep in mind that Mr. Willis had sooooo many opportunities to check his own tickets before he went to get them checked at the store. Now the TLC is supposed to pay because he was too lazy to do it himself. Hell, if he has been playing the same numbers for years like he said he did, then all he had to do was look at a results slip and know that he had won. I mean he did say he played the same numbers so long that the play slip could not be read by the terminal.

                        If he had the strength to reach out and hand his tickets to the clerk to get his tickets verified. Then he had the strength to reach out and scan his ticket at the terminal attached to the counter that would have told him that he had a winning ticket.

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                          Posted: November 10, 2009, 6:10 pm - IP Logged

                          If you sign every ticket you buy you must have a lot of free time or not play very much. As I said not many are going to do that, that is why clerks are at the store for to verify winning tickets, not steal them. It is bad enough how much money the IRS steals from winners let alone store clerks on top of that.

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                            If you sign every ticket you buy you must have a lot of free time or not play very much. As I said not many are going to do that, that is why clerks are at the store for to verify winning tickets, not steal them. It is bad enough how much money the IRS steals from winners let alone store clerks on top of that.

                            Au Contraire. It is because of the thefts of winning tickets, the TLC decided to install these scan machines in the stores. These scanners are used just like those price scanners you see posted in Wal-Mart. all you have to do is place your barcode on your ticket under the infrared and the screen will tell you if the ticket is a winner, hell it even plays a we're in the money jingle when you scan a winning ticket. And if your ticket is more than $599 it will tell you to go to the local lottery office. They are all over the place. They are in the mom and pop stores. The gas stations. The grocery store. Everywhere. Hell, we even have the lottery machine where you can purchase your own tickets. All you have to do is fill out your play slip run it through the machine and insert your money and it will print your tickets. This machine will even scan your tickets to see if they are a winner. And the great part is, neither your money nor your tickets have to touch the hands of a store clerk.