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rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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Posted: January 9, 2010, 4:48 am - IP Logged

I don't believe every politician in DC is a crook. Many of them may be, but not all.

Of course nobody likes secret legislative meetings and the like, but how is that different from what the previous posse was up to? It's business as usual in DC.

And when you say Reid bribed Landrieu, it's important to specify that he "bribed" her with millions in concessions and deals for the PEOPLE of her state. Unfortunately, that's the way politics has been played since Pericles had a corner office at the Parthenon. That's a lot different than what these two were allegedly doing, which was taking advantage of peoples' compassion and generosity for the destitute to line their pockets. Big difference.

Thomas Jefferson warned us about the very situation we face today. It's called tyranny, the diametric opposition of liberty. He understood the corruption of power and the absolute corruption of absolute power and warned us about it in his writings. He even went so far as to say the citizenry may have to take up arms every twenty years or so to root out the corruption in government. That's the sole reason for the 2nd Amendment but that's another story.

Our current government is an evil cabal on the biggest power grabbing frenzy in our history. It is rife with corruption and deceit. The founders never intended for citizens to make lifelong careers out of public service. And certainly not to ensure those careers through usurpation of rights, misappropriation of funds and bribery. You can call it business as usual if you choose but it's not the way it's supposed to be and we don't have to put up with it. Indeed, we should not be tolerating it whatsoever.

I'm no apologist for the previous posse, as you call them, either. They were a disaster, as far as spending goes. But if they were a disaster, then the current posse has to be a catastrophe. There was no shortage of corruption there either. Former Treasury Secretary Paulson for example, should be in jail for his deal with Goldman Sachs. He borrowed money from the Chinese in our grandkids' names to save his bacon. But that's another story too.

Now when Reid used 300 million dollars of our money to bribe Landrieu to vote for the healthcare scam, are you saying it's ok because it's going to be divvied up to the people of Louisiana? How about Ben Nelson from Nebraska who sold out his ethical reservations about the bill for a sweetheart deal on Medicaid costs for Nebraskans only? Is that ok because this bribe is for the people? Is it ok that people in Tennessee and Florida and all the other states will have to pay this bribe so Nebraskans can have lower costs than we do? Are we required to pay this bribe to accomplish something that all polls say runs counter to our own interests and values and what we want? The simple answer is no but we're being forced to do it anyway by a bunch of crooks and criminals that happen to hold the reins of power. In a perfect world Harry Reid would be tarred and feathered and left out in the Nevada desert somewhere. Slimy weasel.

The crooks and thieves in government love diversionary tactics. Look over there, not here. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Stay focused on those crooks, not us.

Again, all I'm saying is if we're going to go by the letter enforcing the law, let's not give anybody  amnesty from it. And let's get the big-time crooks first. Let's show the same disdain and outrage and eagerness to make them accountable as we do the taxpayers who commit far lesser crimes. Let's stop accepting the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude from government. How can we come down hard on taxpayer crime while looking the other way and allowing the big shots to get away with worse crimes? I will never understand or cater to that line of logic.

Let's start at the seat of power in our rush to justice then work our way down.


                                             
                     
                                         

 

 

 

 

                                                                                                   

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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    I'm sorry, but sticking it to The Man (gov't) shouldn't involve misappropriating funds that were given to you to give to the homeless and then pretending like you didn't do anything wrong. This couple has millions of dollars now. They need to bite the bullet and pay off their debt. They'll have plenty left over to open their restaurant or write their book or buy more big screen tvs or whatever they see fit. the very first thing I would do if I won a big jackpot is pay off all my debts, be they to the gov't or private creditors. Get it out of the way and move on.

      rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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      I'm sorry, but sticking it to The Man (gov't) shouldn't involve misappropriating funds that were given to you to give to the homeless and then pretending like you didn't do anything wrong. This couple has millions of dollars now. They need to bite the bullet and pay off their debt. They'll have plenty left over to open their restaurant or write their book or buy more big screen tvs or whatever they see fit. the very first thing I would do if I won a big jackpot is pay off all my debts, be they to the gov't or private creditors. Get it out of the way and move on.

      Well, you're in the majority Lucky$even. Most people don't care about the real crooks. They want to go after the little guy. Nail him to the cross real good.

      And that's just the way the real crooks in government and the judiciary like it.


                                                   
                           
                                               

       

       

       

       

                                                                                                         

      "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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        truecritic's avatar - PirateTreasure
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        I resent when crooks demand that everyone else walk the line. I don't know if this particular County is crooked but if it's anything like the federal government it is.

        We have a den of thieves in Washington who would nail you to the cross if you got away with one iota of what they do. Our country is being led by a pack of lying, thieving hypocrites. Washington is infested with them. They see us as a money tree and treat us like we're the enemy. If this county government is anything like the federal government I hope they never get a nickel from these people. But you know that will never happen because the government can just take anything you have anytime they want. And people have come to accept this as a part of everyday life. We're accustomed to it.

        Did anyone find it shocking when the judge ruled in favor of the County for a million dollars? The judge works for the County afterall. That could be money for a nice raise for himself. Gotta keep those coffers full.

        All I'm saying is stop believing everything the government tells you. And try to remember that they are our employees, not our rulers. It's time for people to stop groveling around on the ground and bowing down to these tyrants.

        Assuming their case went to trial, they were found guilty of sucking money out of the County (government) illegally.  I should think you would be all for Richard and Mary Morrison paying back the government money - which is our money.

          truecritic's avatar - PirateTreasure
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          Good luck with that. If you sue somebody in small claims court it's a safe bet that neither you or the defendant know much about the law, and the  "judge" is often just  a town justice who's never even been on a law school campus. That leaves plenty of room for errors that can lead to a successful appeal. All I know about the case is what's in the article, but it's a pretty safe bet that the case was presented by a lawyer who knew what he was doing and the ruling came from a real judge who knows the law.

          "He doesn't think he did anything wrong so why should he have to pay the $800,000 judgment."

          Suppose I shoot you in the head, but don't think I did anything wrong? Does that mean I don't have to go to jail?

          Their announcement about helping the destitute may not be a good idea, but the red flag I see is their plan to open a restaurant.   They apparently can't succeed in their current professions, and plenty of failed restaurants have been opened by people who had a great deal of experience in the field. FTM, his take on the preamble suggests a general fuzziness to his thinking.

          You know this isn't a Small Claims case, right?  Normally, small claims cases are tried without an attorney and definitely for amounts much, much smaller than this case.

            rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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            Assuming their case went to trial, they were found guilty of sucking money out of the County (government) illegally.  I should think you would be all for Richard and Mary Morrison paying back the government money - which is our money.

            First, it wasn't "our" money. It was government money - "their" money. Once they confiscate it from us, it's "theirs". They do whatever they want with it and there's not a thing we can or will do about it because the typical American is too occupied with Dancing With The Stars or American Idol to be bothered.

            In the meantime, maybe we could let the appeals process play out before we start salivating at the gallows.


                                                         
                                 
                                                     

             

             

             

             

                                                                                                               

            "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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              Thomas Jefferson warned us about the very situation we face today. It's called tyranny, the diametric opposition of liberty. He understood the corruption of power and the absolute corruption of absolute power and warned us about it in his writings. He even went so far as to say the citizenry may have to take up arms every twenty years or so to root out the corruption in government. That's the sole reason for the 2nd Amendment but that's another story.

              Our current government is an evil cabal on the biggest power grabbing frenzy in our history. It is rife with corruption and deceit. The founders never intended for citizens to make lifelong careers out of public service. And certainly not to ensure those careers through usurpation of rights, misappropriation of funds and bribery. You can call it business as usual if you choose but it's not the way it's supposed to be and we don't have to put up with it. Indeed, we should not be tolerating it whatsoever.

              I'm no apologist for the previous posse, as you call them, either. They were a disaster, as far as spending goes. But if they were a disaster, then the current posse has to be a catastrophe. There was no shortage of corruption there either. Former Treasury Secretary Paulson for example, should be in jail for his deal with Goldman Sachs. He borrowed money from the Chinese in our grandkids' names to save his bacon. But that's another story too.

              Now when Reid used 300 million dollars of our money to bribe Landrieu to vote for the healthcare scam, are you saying it's ok because it's going to be divvied up to the people of Louisiana? How about Ben Nelson from Nebraska who sold out his ethical reservations about the bill for a sweetheart deal on Medicaid costs for Nebraskans only? Is that ok because this bribe is for the people? Is it ok that people in Tennessee and Florida and all the other states will have to pay this bribe so Nebraskans can have lower costs than we do? Are we required to pay this bribe to accomplish something that all polls say runs counter to our own interests and values and what we want? The simple answer is no but we're being forced to do it anyway by a bunch of crooks and criminals that happen to hold the reins of power. In a perfect world Harry Reid would be tarred and feathered and left out in the Nevada desert somewhere. Slimy weasel.

              The crooks and thieves in government love diversionary tactics. Look over there, not here. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Stay focused on those crooks, not us.

              Again, all I'm saying is if we're going to go by the letter enforcing the law, let's not give anybody  amnesty from it. And let's get the big-time crooks first. Let's show the same disdain and outrage and eagerness to make them accountable as we do the taxpayers who commit far lesser crimes. Let's stop accepting the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude from government. How can we come down hard on taxpayer crime while looking the other way and allowing the big shots to get away with worse crimes? I will never understand or cater to that line of logic.

              Let's start at the seat of power in our rush to justice then work our way down.

              I wish I could live in that world you envision, but alas...

              There are plenty of politicians in jail or being prosecuted for corruption, and they got there without my getting an aneurism over it. You implied that she was pocketing that money. It's going to her state, and that kind of wheeling and dealing is how the real world works. You can get worked up about it all you want, but eventually you'll be pushing daisies and they'll still be doing their thing. If the guy from TN didn't get anything for his constituency then get angry.

              I don't spend too much time worrying about things I can't change. Barring an accident or H1N1, I expect to live a long life.

              Even if DC is full of slimeballs, that doesn't mean it's a free-for-all for the rest of us. Especially those who prey on the weak.

               

              Now let's get back to winnin' this money!!

              "...a chance to push everything aside, the circumstances that've controlled our lives, and do it our way now. Good, bad or otherwise. You'll maybe get lost in it, tied up in it a little bit, but if you work your way through that the real you shows up, I think. Maybe what's at your core deep down, maybe that comes out. Maybe that's what it's about." Mike Pace 

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                I wish I could live in that world you envision, but alas...

                There are plenty of politicians in jail or being prosecuted for corruption, and they got there without my getting an aneurism over it. You implied that she was pocketing that money. It's going to her state, and that kind of wheeling and dealing is how the real world works. You can get worked up about it all you want, but eventually you'll be pushing daisies and they'll still be doing their thing. If the guy from TN didn't get anything for his constituency then get angry.

                I don't spend too much time worrying about things I can't change. Barring an accident or H1N1, I expect to live a long life.

                Even if DC is full of slimeballs, that doesn't mean it's a free-for-all for the rest of us. Especially those who prey on the weak.

                 

                Now let's get back to winnin' this money!!

                The guy from Tennessee didn't sell out. In fact, Tennessee is opting out of the healthcare scam and has asserted it's sovereignty to the federal government recently.

                I know the real world works with wheeling and dealing but usually with your own money; not money confiscated from others in pursuit of things they object to.

                And if this corruption continues after I'm pushing up daisies it'll be because of the apathy and complacency it requires from a lazy populace willing to look the other way as long as they're getting a piece of the action.

                I take exception to your contention that these people were preying on the weak also. They were helping the weak. The charge was about alleged misuse of government funds. And just because some judge who stands to benefit from the guilty finding says they're guilty doesn't necessarily make it so. We still have due process.

                And if it's ok for the weasels in government to have a free-for-all with our money, then we have every dadgum right to do the same dadgum thing.

                They have no business telling us otherwise.

                And if I'm the last American or the only American who refuses to go along with the program, so be it. Screw 'em.

                 

                 

                OK, let's win that Powerball tonight.


                                                             
                                     
                                                         

                 

                 

                 

                 

                                                                                                                   

                "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                  Whew rdgrnr. You're a man after my own heart. LOL!

                   

                  Winning the Powerball sounds great, too!

                  Luck is  ** believing  ** you're lucky.” ~Tennessee Williams

                  Money is neither my god nor my devil. It is a form of energy that tends to make us more of who we already are, whether it's greedy or loving.  ~ Dan Millman


                    rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                    Whew rdgrnr. You're a man after my own heart. LOL!

                     

                    Winning the Powerball sounds great, too!

                    Well thank ya, lil darlin'! Yeah, that Powerball is goin' down tonight! And I'm gonna tighten you up some if I win too.


                                                                 
                                         
                                                             

                     

                     

                     

                     

                                                                                                                       

                    "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                      Good luck with that. If you sue somebody in small claims court it's a safe bet that neither you or the defendant know much about the law, and the  "judge" is often just  a town justice who's never even been on a law school campus. That leaves plenty of room for errors that can lead to a successful appeal. All I know about the case is what's in the article, but it's a pretty safe bet that the case was presented by a lawyer who knew what he was doing and the ruling came from a real judge who knows the law.

                      "He doesn't think he did anything wrong so why should he have to pay the $800,000 judgment."

                      Suppose I shoot you in the head, but don't think I did anything wrong? Does that mean I don't have to go to jail?

                      Their announcement about helping the destitute may not be a good idea, but the red flag I see is their plan to open a restaurant.   They apparently can't succeed in their current professions, and plenty of failed restaurants have been opened by people who had a great deal of experience in the field. FTM, his take on the preamble suggests a general fuzziness to his thinking.

                      The comment I made is based on what I believe is Mr. Morrison's mindset.   Even if he has been proven to be in the wrong, he still has the right to use all his resources to continue to try to clear his name.  Believe me, with his $$$, he'll have no trouble finding a lawyer willing to take the case.  Of course it would be easier to just pay off the judgment and move on, but I don't see that happening right now.

                      Same goes for your "shoot in the head" analogy -as we've seen time and time again, if you have the money to hire the best lawyers who come up with some clever defense, you may not have to go to jail.   It's as simple as that....


                      BTW, I agree with your statement about the restaurant.

                       

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                        NOW I SEE WHY SOME PEOPLE CLAIM THEIR WINNINGS THROUGH A BLIND TRUST.The bad luck has already started for these poor people. i feel sorry for them.

                        I Agree!

                         

                        Now that's what I'm talking about!

                        Smart lottery winners form trust to claim their winnings.  They send an attorney to the lottery headquarters to claim the prize in trust, so that ONLY the name of the trust is revealed.  And they tell NO ONE, especially relatives.

                        If you ever win a lottery and you are single, the only person you should ever marry is someone who was truly in love with you BEFORE you won the jackpot!


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                           Agree with stupid

                          You know in that last picture of the couple, I was wondering who was who. I guess it's the guy wearing a shirt with the constitution on it. I'd hate to see what kind of underwear he's sporting. Might be some extra bars with the stars.

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                            First, it wasn't "our" money. It was government money - "their" money. Once they confiscate it from us, it's "theirs". They do whatever they want with it and there's not a thing we can or will do about it because the typical American is too occupied with Dancing With The Stars or American Idol to be bothered.

                            In the meantime, maybe we could let the appeals process play out before we start salivating at the gallows.

                            Semantics. First, it WAS "OUR" money.  It is money they screwed the government out of -  taxpayers would have to somehow dig deep to make up almost $1 million dollars if the government doesn't get it back. 

                            Unfortunately, whether we like certain laws or not, you certainly are not going to change anything by posting to a news article on the net.

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                              Semantics. First, it WAS "OUR" money.  It is money they screwed the government out of -  taxpayers would have to somehow dig deep to make up almost $1 million dollars if the government doesn't get it back. 

                              Unfortunately, whether we like certain laws or not, you certainly are not going to change anything by posting to a news article on the net.

                              Nuance. If it's "our" money try telling them what to do with it. Try telling them what not to do with it. Better yet, try refusing to give it to them. No, it's clearly their money and you can't do a dadgum thing about them stealing it from you, not that you would anyway. They've placed themselves above us and enacted laws making us subservient to them, all with benign indifference from the masses or support from willing collaborators, addle-minded lemmings, fawning sycophants and devout nanny-staters. 

                              It doesn't matter who steals money from you, whether it's a thug on the street or a corrupt government; once they steal it it's theirs and they can do what they want with it and there's nothing you can do about it. That's the way they've set up this oligarchy.

                              You are free to go along with your subservience to, and/or collaboration with this corruption imposed on us but there are still some of us who refuse to bow down to it. Too many Americans died throwing off tyranny to now willingly let it rule over us again.

                              Equal Justice Under The Law is one of our founding principles and unless it applies to everyone, it should show favor to no one.

                              Give these people time to prove their innocence in the appeals process before drinking the government kool-aid and condemning them. The government doesn't even need your support anymore. They've enacted enough laws to do whatever the hell they want while you were busy playing video games.

                              And no, I may not change anything by posting to a news article on the net but I'm still free to speak my mind and comment on it as you're doing or do you object to that? 

                              Makes no difference because I won't lay down and roll over for anybody.

                              You're now free to continue following the herd and going along with the program. And don't forget, tax day is coming soon, make sure you give them every penny that they say you owe them. Afterall, it's their money.


                                                                           
                                                   
                                                                       

                               

                               

                               

                               

                                                                                                                                 

                              "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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