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Posted: January 9, 2010, 7:31 pm - IP Logged

Well thank ya, lil darlin'! Yeah, that Powerball is goin' down tonight! And I'm gonna tighten you up some if I win too.

Woohoo!!! You're the best! Same to ya, if I win it. Dance

Luck is  ** believing  ** you're lucky.” ~Tennessee Williams

Money is neither my god nor my devil. It is a form of energy that tends to make us more of who we already are, whether it's greedy or loving.  ~ Dan Millman


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    1. Anytime I helped anyone with $ I lost their friendship either because they promised to pay back and didn't, or felt guilty about owing and not able to pay, or even stealing from me while I was helping them, due to greed or some kind of major malfunction. If/when I win big I may help those who were there for me when I was poor, even just to talk to, but people that snubbed me beforehand may have trouble reaching me. My press conference would make me sound like a stingy jerk ready to tell the World to go ...

    2. The best help I can offer is algorithms to pick numbers that are share-able. One of those is to randomly draw from recently winning numbers. I matched 4 of 5 on JC5 a year ago that way.

    3. I find strange they knew they had a judgment on them and want to bring a lot of attention on themselves by fighting it and then promising to help the poor. Have they never read the WV Gazette?

    4. It can be like feeding pigeons: toss a few stale French fries, they gladly take then come back with their friends and want your hot dog, too!

      rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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      1. Anytime I helped anyone with $ I lost their friendship either because they promised to pay back and didn't, or felt guilty about owing and not able to pay, or even stealing from me while I was helping them, due to greed or some kind of major malfunction. If/when I win big I may help those who were there for me when I was poor, even just to talk to, but people that snubbed me beforehand may have trouble reaching me. My press conference would make me sound like a stingy jerk ready to tell the World to go ...

      2. The best help I can offer is algorithms to pick numbers that are share-able. One of those is to randomly draw from recently winning numbers. I matched 4 of 5 on JC5 a year ago that way.

      3. I find strange they knew they had a judgment on them and want to bring a lot of attention on themselves by fighting it and then promising to help the poor. Have they never read the WV Gazette?

      4. It can be like feeding pigeons: toss a few stale French fries, they gladly take then come back with their friends and want your hot dog, too!

      I think if you help someone who needs it, their appreciation and the good feeling you get from it is payback enough. And the good you've done will come back to you times X.

      What I want to know though, is why you won't give them poor pigeons your hot dog?

      That fries my chicken! LOL (I borrowed that from you)

      Good luck on PB tonight LckyLary.


                                                   
                           
                                               

       

       

       

       

                                                                                                         

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        The guy from Tennessee didn't sell out. In fact, Tennessee is opting out of the healthcare scam and has asserted it's sovereignty to the federal government recently.

        I know the real world works with wheeling and dealing but usually with your own money; not money confiscated from others in pursuit of things they object to.

        And if this corruption continues after I'm pushing up daisies it'll be because of the apathy and complacency it requires from a lazy populace willing to look the other way as long as they're getting a piece of the action.

        I take exception to your contention that these people were preying on the weak also. They were helping the weak. The charge was about alleged misuse of government funds. And just because some judge who stands to benefit from the guilty finding says they're guilty doesn't necessarily make it so. We still have due process.

        And if it's ok for the weasels in government to have a free-for-all with our money, then we have every dadgum right to do the same dadgum thing.

        They have no business telling us otherwise.

        And if I'm the last American or the only American who refuses to go along with the program, so be it. Screw 'em.

         

         

        OK, let's win that Powerball tonight.

        I'm ready to move on so this'll be my last comment on the subject.

        The truth is neither of us know what they were really doing in the name of the homeless. That's why I originally said "if" they were in fact embezzling then they should be made to pay with hard time. Let's wait for the investigation to say what's what.

        Healthcare scam? Why is it everyone so offended by healthcare reform never has an answer for the 46 million without coverage?

        Corruption occurred before, during, and long after you came along. There are good Americans across this country hunting down the crooks, and making sure everybody follows the law. You're not doing any more to stop corruption than I am.

        Saying it's okay to cheat and steal because a few politicians are doing it is irresponsible, and downright silly.

        Honestly.

        "...a chance to push everything aside, the circumstances that've controlled our lives, and do it our way now. Good, bad or otherwise. You'll maybe get lost in it, tied up in it a little bit, but if you work your way through that the real you shows up, I think. Maybe what's at your core deep down, maybe that comes out. Maybe that's what it's about." Mike Pace 

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          I'm ready to move on so this'll be my last comment on the subject.

          The truth is neither of us know what they were really doing in the name of the homeless. That's why I originally said "if" they were in fact embezzling then they should be made to pay with hard time. Let's wait for the investigation to say what's what.

          Healthcare scam? Why is it everyone so offended by healthcare reform never has an answer for the 46 million without coverage?

          Corruption occurred before, during, and long after you came along. There are good Americans across this country hunting down the crooks, and making sure everybody follows the law. You're not doing any more to stop corruption than I am.

          Saying it's okay to cheat and steal because a few politicians are doing it is irresponsible, and downright silly.

          Honestly.

          No, none of us know the facts but some seem a little anxious to knot the rope. It's like they're saying: "Let's give 'em a fair trial and hang 'em in the morning." It makes me wonder coming from this venue, if some of the vitriol isn't just resentment for their winning of the jackpot.

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          'An angry Richard Morrison told reporters outside his home in Miller Place Wednesday night that the county's claims were baseless.'

          "It's a lie!" he hollered. "It's a lie!"

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          I'll take that man's word over that of government bureaucrats and their stooges in the judiciary any day. Why? Because I don't know this man to be a criminal or a liar while I do know that crime and deceit runs rampant in government. "By their fruits ye shall know them" (take it in a literary sense). I also know that local judiciaries' main focus is biased towards revenue enhancement over justice. The court system runs on cash and lots of it. Prosecutors aren't concerned with your guilt or innocence anymore. They're concerned with their win-loss record and how much money they can squeeze out of you. A good record can catapult them into public office, where there's real money to be made. And the beat goes on. 

          It's like the red-light cameras popping up all over the country. Do you believe their main focus is safety or just raising cash? Follow the money trail. Some jurisdictions fine you $400 when they snap your picture (and no, I'm not a disgruntled red-light runner). Half of the money goes to some outfit in Australia that provides and maintains the cameras. So in effect our government has you paying fines to foreign interests when you make a mistake in your own country. Does our government care? No, because it's a cash cow for them and nothing else. No investment - big rewards, just business as usual in the world of government bureaucrats.

          I point that out only as a corollary to illustrate the larger issue of the absence of any moral equivalency in applied justice.  Increasingly and incrementally, there is none. When the head nods here the tail wags there. That's the "way it's always been done" so deal with it. The whole system is corrupt and the reason I put very little stock in anything they say. It also irks me that so many are willing to put up with it because "that's the way it's always been done." Some, usually those of the nanny-state persuasion, actually endorse it while the majority doesn't even know or care what the hell is going on until it's their turn in the barrel. Corruption thrives in that kind of atmosphere.

          You say let's wait for the investigation to say what's what. The investigation is over. The county investigated them, the county prosecuted them, the county convicted them and the county awarded the county a million dollars. All that's left now is to find a lawyer slicker or more well-connected than that of the opposition because that's "the way it's done."

          Healthcare scam? Yes, healthcare scam. You can call it healthcare reform all you want but it has nothing to do with healthcare. It has everything to do with power and control. Don't fall for the numbers bs from Washington. There are nowhere near the numbers they say are languishing without healthcare. When you take illegal aliens and young people who don't want health insurance out of the mix, there are about 12 million Americans who could use some help. The government, if they weren't more interested in a power grab, could easily just purchase insurance for those people at a very small fraction of the devastating cost of this scam. Under their "reform" you will be fined or thrown in jail if you don't cooperate. Sound good to you? Show me in the Constitution where they have the authority to impose that on us.

          Where are all these good Americans across the country that you claim are hunting down the crooks and making sure everybody follows the law? You're joking, right? Since when does everybody have to follow the law? Better take the blinders off, the law only applies to us, not them. They exempt themselves from it. You and me will go to jail if we don't buy government health insurance, they won't. They get to keep whatever insurance they have or want, we don't. They wrote the law for us, not them. I find it hard to believe that you or anyone else could support that.

          You say I'm not doing any more to stop corruption than you are. The fact is I'm involved and active in a few grass-roots movements whose goals are to effect change in this massive, lumbering bureaucracy of corruption. Believe me when I tell you that there are a lot of patriots left in this country who refuse to sit idly by while our Constitution is being trampled on and our freedom and liberty restricted.

          And we really couldn't care less if that's the way it's always been done.


                                                       
                               
                                                   

           

           

           

           

                                                                                                             

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            "You can call it healthcare reform all you want but it has nothing to do with healthcare."

            If more people could understand this, we might get somewhere. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with healthcare. Not one thing to do with saving a life, or helping anyone. I have spent countless hours on Twitter, Myspace and Facebook, networking with anyone that can comprehend this rape of what was once, the "land of the free". I join the grass-roots movements, I sign petitions, and if I could get to DC, I would go.

            I get asked a lot, "But WHY are you against people having healthcare?" OH MY! It's not about healthcare!!! If it was real, and not a big farse, I would be all for it. They aren't coming to our rescue, they are bringing our demise. All the bills, and amendments that they've added to it..... that's how they pass things. They take things totally unrelated to a bill, and add them to it. Then, they vote on the bill, and it passes everything attached to it, as well. Why do you think a campaign promise is being broken? No "transparency".... they're behind closed doors, because that's where they have to be. If anyone finds out the whole picture of what they're really doing, all hell will break loose. Gotta make sure it's passed, FIRST.  They're SNEAKIN', I tell ya.

            I don't trust the govt, as far as I can throw it.

            You had to go and get me all fired up this morn, rdgrnr!  LOL  Yawn. It's too early to get on my political soapbox, you can have it back..I'm going back to bed. Skeptical

            Luck is  ** believing  ** you're lucky.” ~Tennessee Williams

            Money is neither my god nor my devil. It is a form of energy that tends to make us more of who we already are, whether it's greedy or loving.  ~ Dan Millman


              rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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              "You can call it healthcare reform all you want but it has nothing to do with healthcare."

              If more people could understand this, we might get somewhere. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with healthcare. Not one thing to do with saving a life, or helping anyone. I have spent countless hours on Twitter, Myspace and Facebook, networking with anyone that can comprehend this rape of what was once, the "land of the free". I join the grass-roots movements, I sign petitions, and if I could get to DC, I would go.

              I get asked a lot, "But WHY are you against people having healthcare?" OH MY! It's not about healthcare!!! If it was real, and not a big farse, I would be all for it. They aren't coming to our rescue, they are bringing our demise. All the bills, and amendments that they've added to it..... that's how they pass things. They take things totally unrelated to a bill, and add them to it. Then, they vote on the bill, and it passes everything attached to it, as well. Why do you think a campaign promise is being broken? No "transparency".... they're behind closed doors, because that's where they have to be. If anyone finds out the whole picture of what they're really doing, all hell will break loose. Gotta make sure it's passed, FIRST.  They're SNEAKIN', I tell ya.

              I don't trust the govt, as far as I can throw it.

              You had to go and get me all fired up this morn, rdgrnr!  LOL  Yawn. It's too early to get on my political soapbox, you can have it back..I'm going back to bed. Skeptical

              It's good to know you're out there and informed, involved and active, Lady.

              We can change this mess and we will despite some who don't think it's worth the effort.

              Until justice is applied equally there is no justice.


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

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                No, none of us know the facts but some seem a little anxious to knot the rope. It's like they're saying: "Let's give 'em a fair trial and hang 'em in the morning." It makes me wonder coming from this venue, if some of the vitriol isn't just resentment for their winning of the jackpot.

                -----------------

                'An angry Richard Morrison told reporters outside his home in Miller Place Wednesday night that the county's claims were baseless.'

                "It's a lie!" he hollered. "It's a lie!"

                -----------------

                I'll take that man's word over that of government bureaucrats and their stooges in the judiciary any day. Why? Because I don't know this man to be a criminal or a liar while I do know that crime and deceit runs rampant in government. "By their fruits ye shall know them" (take it in a literary sense). I also know that local judiciaries' main focus is biased towards revenue enhancement over justice. The court system runs on cash and lots of it. Prosecutors aren't concerned with your guilt or innocence anymore. They're concerned with their win-loss record and how much money they can squeeze out of you. A good record can catapult them into public office, where there's real money to be made. And the beat goes on. 

                It's like the red-light cameras popping up all over the country. Do you believe their main focus is safety or just raising cash? Follow the money trail. Some jurisdictions fine you $400 when they snap your picture (and no, I'm not a disgruntled red-light runner). Half of the money goes to some outfit in Australia that provides and maintains the cameras. So in effect our government has you paying fines to foreign interests when you make a mistake in your own country. Does our government care? No, because it's a cash cow for them and nothing else. No investment - big rewards, just business as usual in the world of government bureaucrats.

                I point that out only as a corollary to illustrate the larger issue of the absence of any moral equivalency in applied justice.  Increasingly and incrementally, there is none. When the head nods here the tail wags there. That's the "way it's always been done" so deal with it. The whole system is corrupt and the reason I put very little stock in anything they say. It also irks me that so many are willing to put up with it because "that's the way it's always been done." Some, usually those of the nanny-state persuasion, actually endorse it while the majority doesn't even know or care what the hell is going on until it's their turn in the barrel. Corruption thrives in that kind of atmosphere.

                You say let's wait for the investigation to say what's what. The investigation is over. The county investigated them, the county prosecuted them, the county convicted them and the county awarded the county a million dollars. All that's left now is to find a lawyer slicker or more well-connected than that of the opposition because that's "the way it's done."

                Healthcare scam? Yes, healthcare scam. You can call it healthcare reform all you want but it has nothing to do with healthcare. It has everything to do with power and control. Don't fall for the numbers bs from Washington. There are nowhere near the numbers they say are languishing without healthcare. When you take illegal aliens and young people who don't want health insurance out of the mix, there are about 12 million Americans who could use some help. The government, if they weren't more interested in a power grab, could easily just purchase insurance for those people at a very small fraction of the devastating cost of this scam. Under their "reform" you will be fined or thrown in jail if you don't cooperate. Sound good to you? Show me in the Constitution where they have the authority to impose that on us.

                Where are all these good Americans across the country that you claim are hunting down the crooks and making sure everybody follows the law? You're joking, right? Since when does everybody have to follow the law? Better take the blinders off, the law only applies to us, not them. They exempt themselves from it. You and me will go to jail if we don't buy government health insurance, they won't. They get to keep whatever insurance they have or want, we don't. They wrote the law for us, not them. I find it hard to believe that you or anyone else could support that.

                You say I'm not doing any more to stop corruption than you are. The fact is I'm involved and active in a few grass-roots movements whose goals are to effect change in this massive, lumbering bureaucracy of corruption. Believe me when I tell you that there are a lot of patriots left in this country who refuse to sit idly by while our Constitution is being trampled on and our freedom and liberty restricted.

                And we really couldn't care less if that's the way it's always been done.

                Wow, so the red light cams are another evil plot too then?? How many lives have those cams saved?

                What you call trampling of the Constitution some call the Constitution working for the People. And THOSE patriots are working just as hard as you to make sure no one's left out. "...young people who don't want health insurance..." You may have convinced yourself of that, but it's a fantasy. The truth is roughly 45,000 people a year die in this country in large part due to a lack of healthcare. That's according to Harvard. Are they part of the evil conspiracy as well?

                This scenario has repeated itself through history: In a system favorable only to a select few, any kind of effort to even the scales is seen as a threat. That's what was fueling the rage of those belligerents at the town hall meetings last summer.

                They can scream all they want, but Dylan called it a long time ago. Change is comin'! 

                Ultimately, you and I aren't going to convince each other of anything, so we should stop the back and forth. But it seems to me that from a health standpoint it can't be good for the mind, body and soul to be carrying around all this rage. Things are gonna be what they're gonna be. No grass-roots movement in TN, or FL for that matter, is gonna change anything. Meantime, the wise thing would be to get back to the business of gambling. THAT'S what we're here for.

                You'll feel better when you hit that jackpot.

                "...a chance to push everything aside, the circumstances that've controlled our lives, and do it our way now. Good, bad or otherwise. You'll maybe get lost in it, tied up in it a little bit, but if you work your way through that the real you shows up, I think. Maybe what's at your core deep down, maybe that comes out. Maybe that's what it's about." Mike Pace 

                  rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                  Wow, so the red light cams are another evil plot too then?? How many lives have those cams saved?

                  What you call trampling of the Constitution some call the Constitution working for the People. And THOSE patriots are working just as hard as you to make sure no one's left out. "...young people who don't want health insurance..." You may have convinced yourself of that, but it's a fantasy. The truth is roughly 45,000 people a year die in this country in large part due to a lack of healthcare. That's according to Harvard. Are they part of the evil conspiracy as well?

                  This scenario has repeated itself through history: In a system favorable only to a select few, any kind of effort to even the scales is seen as a threat. That's what was fueling the rage of those belligerents at the town hall meetings last summer.

                  They can scream all they want, but Dylan called it a long time ago. Change is comin'! 

                  Ultimately, you and I aren't going to convince each other of anything, so we should stop the back and forth. But it seems to me that from a health standpoint it can't be good for the mind, body and soul to be carrying around all this rage. Things are gonna be what they're gonna be. No grass-roots movement in TN, or FL for that matter, is gonna change anything. Meantime, the wise thing would be to get back to the business of gambling. THAT'S what we're here for.

                  You'll feel better when you hit that jackpot.

                  Nino, don't take it personal. We can disagree without being disagreeable. Don't misinterpret passion for malice. We just have viewpoints and opinions that happen to be polar opposites. I'm not carrying any rage around, for you or anybody else, just dogged determination to resist tyranny. There's no hard feelings on this end buddy.

                  As far as the red light cameras go, no, I don't think they're an evil plot. Just more government intrusion in our personal lives for the sole purpose of getting more money out of us. Simple as that. I don't know if they've saved any lives but I do know they've dramatically increased the rate of rear end collisions when people who can't afford a $400 ticket slam on their brakes at the first glimmer of a yellow light. I wonder how many people have lost their lives due to that? I've seen three of them (rear-enders) at an intersection in a town I rarely pass through. Next time you see one of those cameras check out all the skid marks at that intersection. But at least they're making a ton of money, right?

                  Studies have shown that making lights for all directions stay red for three seconds or extending the yellow light for a few seconds would solve the problem. Unfortunately for us, there's no money in that strategy for the government so here we are. Just hope there isn't a loaded semi behind you if you have to stop fast. And don't bother with a lawsuit when you get creamed because you know what they say - you can't fight City Hall.

                  You need to actually read the Constitution. Nowhere in it does it give the federal government the power to regulate, control or have anything to do with healthcare. What they're attempting to do is criminal. The federal government is given very specific and limited powers. The things they have authority over are well defined and healthcare is not one of them. In fact, the Tenth Amendment forbids them from exercising any power not specifically delegated to them in the Constitution. Check it out sometime. 

                  People can demand free this and free that all they want and say it's not fair that only the rich have Cadillacs but if it's not in the Constitution you just don't get one, period.

                  The Constitution is being trampled. It's being trampled by the federal government. I agree with you saying patriots are working hard to see that nobody is left out. That's exactly what we are doing. If you support what this government is doing, you're working against the people.

                  Quoting radical, left-wing, agenda-driven loons from Harvard really doesn't advance your argument. You may as well quote Keith Olbermann from MSNBC. Nobody really takes those people seriously anymore.

                  Belligerents screaming at the town hall meetings? Whoa, those were American patriots my friend, telling the pompous asses they elected to start representing them as they were hired to do. Should they just shut up and go along with the program too?

                  You say that no grass-roots movements are going to change anything and that things are going to be what they're going to be? I think you may be in for a big surprise on that count. Better buckle up because it's going to be a rough ride for socialism in the very near future.

                  And I can quote Dylan on it too:

                  "You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowin'."


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

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                    It's just interesting how the so-called "patriots" at the meetings only represented one segment of the population.

                    Shakeups on this scale don't come without casualties. I just hope you'll be okay with what the majority wants. You're gonna have to make some big decisions after it's all settled.

                    And that wind you think is blowing is just a draft, and it's just where you're standing.

                    Good luck.

                    "...a chance to push everything aside, the circumstances that've controlled our lives, and do it our way now. Good, bad or otherwise. You'll maybe get lost in it, tied up in it a little bit, but if you work your way through that the real you shows up, I think. Maybe what's at your core deep down, maybe that comes out. Maybe that's what it's about." Mike Pace 

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                      "You need to actually read the Constitution. Nowhere in it does it give the federal government the power to regulate, control or have anything to do with healthcare. What they're attempting to do is criminal. Thefederal government is given very specific and limited powers. Thethings they have authority over are well defined and healthcare is notone of them. In fact, the Tenth Amendment forbids them from exercisingany power not specifically delegated to them in the Constitution. Checkit out sometime. "

                      Maybe you need to read the constitution without your preconceived notions of what it actually says, or what you think is meant by the things it says. The list of enumerated powers may be short, but two of those powers are very broad. Like it or not, the commerce clause and the general welfare clause give congress a wide latitude to regulate many things which affect commerce and general welfare.

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                        It's just interesting how the so-called "patriots" at the meetings only represented one segment of the population.

                        Shakeups on this scale don't come without casualties. I just hope you'll be okay with what the majority wants. You're gonna have to make some big decisions after it's all settled.

                        And that wind you think is blowing is just a draft, and it's just where you're standing.

                        Good luck.

                        Well naturally it was just patriots at the meetings. They weren't handing out any government cheese so there was no reason for the socialists to come.

                        I'll be absolutely fine with what the majority wants. All the polls show the overwhelming majority don't want socialist healthcare.

                        As far as blowing with the wind, you better check the rapidly changing deomographics. There's been a sea change in recent months.

                        And the tide's comin' in.


                                                                     
                                             
                                                                 

                         

                         

                         

                         

                                                                                                                           

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                          Posted: January 11, 2010, 5:21 pm - IP Logged

                          "You need to actually read the Constitution. Nowhere in it does it give the federal government the power to regulate, control or have anything to do with healthcare. What they're attempting to do is criminal. Thefederal government is given very specific and limited powers. Thethings they have authority over are well defined and healthcare is notone of them. In fact, the Tenth Amendment forbids them from exercisingany power not specifically delegated to them in the Constitution. Checkit out sometime. "

                          Maybe you need to read the constitution without your preconceived notions of what it actually says, or what you think is meant by the things it says. The list of enumerated powers may be short, but two of those powers are very broad. Like it or not, the commerce clause and the general welfare clause give congress a wide latitude to regulate many things which affect commerce and general welfare.

                          Any broad powers interpreted into or exercised under those two clauses and especially the commerce clause have been shystered into them. That is in keeping with what I've been saying. This government is rotten to the core. The commerce clause has been used for a plethora of illegal federal government intervention in things they have no right getting involved in. Things that they know they have no business sticking their nose in. The lack of any Constitutional challenge only denotes shysters on one side of the aisle enabling shysters on the other.

                          That being said, it doesn't make any difference. This particular government has no intention of letting the Constitution stand in the way of any of it's initiatives anyway. They don't care a whit about the Constitution. They said fundamental change, remember?

                          Nonetheless, there can be no interpretation of either of those or any clause that could remotely allow a government takeover of 1/5 of our economy. Neither is there any that could be interpreted to give the federal government the power to impose medical mandates on private citizens. They could offer but they can't demand and impose by force of law.

                          It won't surprise me if the slimy racist Harry Reid twists enough arms and bribes enough of his fellow crooks to get this through but we will be throwing him out on his slimy weasel butt in November anyway. Dodd and Dorgan did the smart thing and retired because they see what's coming. More rats will be abandoning ship soon because defeat doesn't look good on a lobbyist's resume.

                          Even if the scam passes we'll get it rescinded somehow later. Good people have risen up before and demanded justice and we will do it again. We even rose up and put an end to slavery, much to the chagrine of racists like Harry Reid. Slimy weasel. I have no tolerance for racists.

                          So it's looking like those of you who like a government boot on your neck may have to check out Cuba or Albania or something soon.

                          Better check to see if they allow you to use the internet there first. They're severely restricted in most socialist countries. But I'm sure the government run newspapers will tell you everything they think you need to know.

                          I was going to say don't forget to write but I'm not sure socialist governments allow that either.

                          But I'm sure it'll be nice.


                                                                       
                                               
                                                                   

                           

                           

                           

                           

                                                                                                                             

                          "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                            Posted: January 12, 2010, 4:46 am - IP Logged

                            Any broad powers interpreted into or exercised under those two clauses and especially the commerce clause have been shystered into them. That is in keeping with what I've been saying. This government is rotten to the core. The commerce clause has been used for a plethora of illegal federal government intervention in things they have no right getting involved in. Things that they know they have no business sticking their nose in. The lack of any Constitutional challenge only denotes shysters on one side of the aisle enabling shysters on the other.

                            That being said, it doesn't make any difference. This particular government has no intention of letting the Constitution stand in the way of any of it's initiatives anyway. They don't care a whit about the Constitution. They said fundamental change, remember?

                            Nonetheless, there can be no interpretation of either of those or any clause that could remotely allow a government takeover of 1/5 of our economy. Neither is there any that could be interpreted to give the federal government the power to impose medical mandates on private citizens. They could offer but they can't demand and impose by force of law.

                            It won't surprise me if the slimy racist Harry Reid twists enough arms and bribes enough of his fellow crooks to get this through but we will be throwing him out on his slimy weasel butt in November anyway. Dodd and Dorgan did the smart thing and retired because they see what's coming. More rats will be abandoning ship soon because defeat doesn't look good on a lobbyist's resume.

                            Even if the scam passes we'll get it rescinded somehow later. Good people have risen up before and demanded justice and we will do it again. We even rose up and put an end to slavery, much to the chagrine of racists like Harry Reid. Slimy weasel. I have no tolerance for racists.

                            So it's looking like those of you who like a government boot on your neck may have to check out Cuba or Albania or something soon.

                            Better check to see if they allow you to use the internet there first. They're severely restricted in most socialist countries. But I'm sure the government run newspapers will tell you everything they think you need to know.

                            I was going to say don't forget to write but I'm not sure socialist governments allow that either.

                            But I'm sure it'll be nice.

                            As long as they have a P5 or P6 game I'm good.

                            "...a chance to push everything aside, the circumstances that've controlled our lives, and do it our way now. Good, bad or otherwise. You'll maybe get lost in it, tied up in it a little bit, but if you work your way through that the real you shows up, I think. Maybe what's at your core deep down, maybe that comes out. Maybe that's what it's about." Mike Pace 

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                              As long as they have a P5 or P6 game I'm good.

                              LOL. That and Jack Daniels.


                                                                           
                                                   
                                                                       

                               

                               

                               

                               

                                                                                                                                 

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