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Undercover lottery investigation tests store clerks' honesty

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RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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Posted: September 9, 2010, 1:56 pm - IP Logged

"Shady appearing Gordon Medenica indicates that when lottery retailer ticket clerks/owners are given winning tickets by someone who didn't actually buy the ticket that the situation is magically transmuted to "entrapment""

That's the part that's really screwed up. Motives aside, sending out the warning should have a deterent effect by letting clerks know that the person they're trying to steal a ticket from may be a reporter who's filming them. Describing it as entrapment, OTOH, is incredibly stupid. Since the Dateline investigation was done privately and didn't have the cooperation of the lottery they had to use a real winning ticket, which they presumably got by buying all 1000 numbers for the pick 3. The ticket was only worth $500, which isn't much for tricking otherwise honest clerks into  stealing. They may have been monitoring the results, but they were basicaly doing exactly what many players do: taking their tickets to the store and trusting the clerk to check them honestly.

Since the Dateline investigation was done privately and didn't have the cooperation of the lottery they had to use a real winning ticket, which they presumably got by buying all 1000 numbers for the pick 3.

You bring up an interesting point, I wonder if they actually played all 1000 combinations or used a winning lottery system to buy their winning tickets.  Maybe that's a story for another Dateline investigation, "Winning lottery systems, do they exist?".

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    Posted: September 9, 2010, 2:38 pm - IP Logged

    Remember this was a "Sting" Operation.

    I agree with Tiggs on the issue if you don't know you got a winner you should not be playing!

    Personally i check all my tickets here on Lottery Post. Then i go to the store and tell the clerk how much i have won. Then i also ask them for the "Players Copy" of the pay-out.

    If i'm cashing in a "Scratch-off i do the same. Even if it's a loser i ask for my losing ticket back & the slip that shows it's "not a winner."

    "So easy a cave man can do it."

    Cutla$$Bob

    I agree with you Cutlass Bob on checking the ticket before entering the store , I will tell the clerk how much the win is before handing them the ticket.No No You can't trust people with your money unless their getting a cut like the lawyer. One other thing I notice the New York Lottery Official didn't want to see the cheating crooks or lazy slackers on tape, because if they let people throw away winners more money for the state.Anyway you look at it New York System stinksCussing Face My hat off to Ca. for doing the right thing. Thumbs Up

      rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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      Posted: September 9, 2010, 4:35 pm - IP Logged

      These types of investigations should be done more frequently, imo.  I work in a convenience store, our lottery machine is situated to face the customers, the screen can be seen by them.  Also, when any ticket gets validated as a winner, the machine makes a sound depending on the type of winner, which can be heard clear to the back of the store.  As a rule (for myself at least), I always hand back any losing tickets to the customer....specifically because of this type of situation.  If the customer then asks me to throw them away, I rip them up before they hit the trash.  I don't understand why these clerks would do this....and think they could get away with it.  They will eventually be caught, and imo it's not worth losing my job (even if it is a min. wage job), going to jail, paying fines..etc.  Once convicted as a thief, they will have a hard time finding a job. 

      I agree with many of the posters here...If you don't know how to play..then don't. Don't take up 20 min. of my time asking me how to play when there are customers behind you....especially when scratch tickets have clear instructions on how to play and win.  Details are on the front and back of each scratch ticket. How hard is it? "Scratch the play area, if you get 3 like symbols, amts, etc in a row,  you win prize shown. If you find said symbol, you get double the prize shown" Duh!  And the instructions are on the back of every Powerball play slip and actual ticket.  Please Read!  Check your tickets before you enter the store, so that you know if you have winners or not.  While I try to be fair to all of my customers and give them the time they deserve, it does get annoying when someone brings in a month's worth of saved up tickets (which they don't even know if they are winners or not), and asks me to check them all when I've got a line of customers backing up. It's not fair to those other customers to have to wait for me to scan tickets when the majority of them are losing tickets.  Especially with scratch tickets, check to be sure they are winners because in our state, the lottery machine will lock us out if we scan too many non-winning scratch tickets in a row.

      As other people have said here, don't trust any clerk with your tickets. Know what you have before you enter the store, stay at the counter while the clerk is validating your tickets.  Stores are only allowed to pay out up to a certain amount, as per the Lottery commission in each state, which normally the max amount is like $500.  Anything over that has to be paid out by the Lottery Commission.  Just be alert when cashing in, don't just blindly hand a clerk your tickets.

      I like you cats, you sound like you're all business. I know you ain't in East Tennessee though, cuz here it's the clerks that are the problem half the time. They'll spend five minutes making small talk with a customer while a line of 6 or 7 people waits behind them.


                                                   
                           
                                               

       

       

       

       

                                                                                                         

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        Posted: September 9, 2010, 9:38 pm - IP Logged

        tiggs went in a store yesterday with a 100.00 cash 3 ticket and the clerk asked if tiggs wanted it checked..tiggs said no and he handed it to her to cash it and said it was worth 100.00...If you don't know that you have a winner and know how much that winner is worth..DON'T BUY BANY LOTTERY TICKETS!!!...Can you dig it?..

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          Posted: September 9, 2010, 10:01 pm - IP Logged

          Yet another example for lottery players to contemplate: A convenience store clerk and her daughter were arrested after they conned a California Lottery undercover investigator. The scratcher ticket he handed to the clerk was a "Decoy" they utilize to test the honesty of lottery retailers. The woman checked the ticket, which registered on the machine as a $20,000.00 jackpot winning ticket. She informed the undercover investigator that it wasn't a winner. Her daughter then attempted to redeem the prize through a lottery field office.  People who think these clerks and their families/friends are immune to greed, or not cognizant of the laws they are breaking when they pull these scams seldom realize that there is not only a good reason why retail clerks scam lottery patrons for their winnings (most are paid minimum wage) but they are also in a prime position to do so! I have probably been scammed once or twice, but I now don't trust anyone involved in the process of validating my winning tickets. I make <snip> sure what the prize will be long before I even head to the store.

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            rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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            tiggs went in a store yesterday with a 100.00 cash 3 ticket and the clerk asked if tiggs wanted it checked..tiggs said no and he handed it to her to cash it and said it was worth 100.00...If you don't know that you have a winner and know how much that winner is worth..DON'T BUY BANY LOTTERY TICKETS!!!...Can you dig it?..

            You should just mail it in, tiggs.

            I'm sure everything would be fine doing it that way.

            Just mark on the bottom of the envelope: Please handle with care - winning lottery ticket enclosed!

            Yes, I'm sure everything would be just fine.

            And look at the money you'd save on gas and the hassle of trying to understand what Sahib is saying down at the Convenience Store. 


                                                         
                                 
                                                     

             

             

             

             

                                                                                                               

            "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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              I see it's another open season for immigrants.  In this very website

              I have seen Johnsons and Smiths arrested for swindling people off of their

              lottery wins but nah, those do not inspire such passions as "Sahib" eh? ;-)

              That money's gone fo ever

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                Posted: September 13, 2010, 11:07 am - IP Logged

                Since the Dateline investigation was done privately and didn't have the cooperation of the lottery they had to use a real winning ticket, which they presumably got by buying all 1000 numbers for the pick 3.

                You bring up an interesting point, I wonder if they actually played all 1000 combinations or used a winning lottery system to buy their winning tickets.  Maybe that's a story for another Dateline investigation, "Winning lottery systems, do they exist?".

                hehe nah, they spent $3000 playing a system to get that winning ticket

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                  Posted: September 13, 2010, 9:10 pm - IP Logged

                  hehe nah, they spent $3000 playing a system to get that winning ticket

                  Yeah, even if systems worked in the long run, when you just need a single winning ticket the sensible thing is to put down your $1000 and get your winning ticket for $500. The money they spent for the ticket is nothing compared to their other expenses in doing the story.

                    rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                    I see it's another open season for immigrants.  In this very website

                    I have seen Johnsons and Smiths arrested for swindling people off of their

                    lottery wins but nah, those do not inspire such passions as "Sahib" eh? ;-)

                    Nah.

                    I know Sahib.

                    Sahib is a friend of mine.

                    You're no Sahib, massachusetts man.

                     

                    BTW, are ya still coverin for Whitey Bulger up there?

                    Oh, and uh... sorry about the Kennedy seat.  Progress and all that, you know. (lol!)


                                                                 
                                         
                                                             

                     

                     

                     

                     

                                                                                                                       

                    "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                      rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                      Posted: September 15, 2010, 12:34 am - IP Logged

                      I see it's another open season for immigrants.  In this very website

                      I have seen Johnsons and Smiths arrested for swindling people off of their

                      lottery wins but nah, those do not inspire such passions as "Sahib" eh? ;-)

                      And just for the record massachusetts man, Sahib is a term of respect used in addressing someone.

                      Usually someone like a Johnson or a Smith.

                      But Johnsons and Smiths immigrated too, so your crusade to prevent anyone from ever being offended by anyone or anything at anytime is still valid (if it makes you feel better).

                      It must be a chore for you to live in fear of not being politically correct at every turn.

                      But at least John Kerry would be proud of you (he's a weasel too).


                                                                   
                                           
                                                               

                       

                       

                       

                       

                                                                                                                         

                      "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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