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Posted: October 14, 2010, 10:37 am - IP Logged

isnt that the numbers racket you hear about in all the 20's crime movies,5 and 10c bets all going to the 1 boss.

last 3 digits on the stock market i think the pick 3 numbers where based on  but my memeories gtting vague.

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    Posted: October 14, 2010, 11:13 am - IP Logged

    Was that Rebecca Paul from the TN lottery they caught lol. Green laugh

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      isnt that the numbers racket you hear about in all the 20's crime movies,5 and 10c bets all going to the 1 boss.

      last 3 digits on the stock market i think the pick 3 numbers where based on  but my memeories gtting vague.

      Yeah, that's it and it's still around.

      A lot of people have more faith in the crime syndicate than in government and you can't blame them.


                                                   
                           
                                               

       

       

       

       

                                                                                                         

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        You must be very young..the games in one form or another have been around for years.  I played them also.  almost every state had some kind of "numbers" game.  It was a game that gave the poor man a chance to win.  To me they paid off better than the state lotteries and it didn't cost much to bet.

        You've got it right; there were numbers runners and players long before the so-called state lotteries got into the business. They made it ILLEGAL (Government) so that the little guys could no longer do it and they (Government) could make all the money and TAX it.

        Hey, it was private business, Capitalizism in its purist form, except they weren’t paying taxes on the winnings. However, I might point out that the winnings were going right back into the economy by the players, either by them spending more on playing or on buying everyday needs for the players and their families.

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          You must be very young..the games in one form or another have been around for years.  I played them also.  almost every state had some kind of "numbers" game.  It was a game that gave the poor man a chance to win.  To me they paid off better than the state lotteries and it didn't cost much to bet.

          The bookies offered $600 to $1 using the same Pick-3 number from the state lottery drawing and gave $6 worth of bets for $5. I know they took a quarter bet where you could win $150 and may have even booked dime or nickel bets too. I never heard of anyone complaining about not getting paid their winnings or told to come back later like some of the state lottery retailers often tell winners.

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            Posted: October 14, 2010, 4:14 pm - IP Logged

            I wonder what this family's 3 members have been doing since that "search" date, way back in 2007?

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              Posted: October 15, 2010, 8:55 am - IP Logged

              I agree mjwinsmith, Its been around so many years, and winnings went back into every days needs.

              when u think of 25,000 thats not alot of money for a small business, nothing compare to Bernie Madoff, look how

              many years they took to unfold his operations.

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                Posted: October 16, 2010, 8:27 pm - IP Logged

                Wow, I wonder what the odds were on that nickel bet for $250.

                When gamblers talk with each other a "nickel bet" is $5 and a 50-cent bet is $50. But, if this was a court document with the court talking instead of a quote from the participants it would be cents... however it may be a  quote from the players.
                 
                If it is a lottery, it is usually set up with the "house" getting half of  the proceeds, so the bookie would make half of whatever is bet the same as the state of Detroit does.  In California they keep 2/3 and give out 1/3 but even that 1/3 is only paid out over a 20 years period of time.  That makes is almost all profit to the State. If the winner wants it in cash they have to give up a substantial part of the winnings. Therefore, if a bookie wanted to book those bets he would have a tremendous advantage... but nobody would do it  because of the huge amount involved IF there is a winner.  I presume that they do the small ones where you just winthe smaller amounts... I think there is 50% there. 
                 
                Horses are only a little over 15% which is good money for the bookie... and the track!   People are under the illusion that they can win at the horses if they can pick horses better than many of the other players, but they have to overcome
                that 15%
                 
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                Certainly hope these guyz didn't tarnish the original Coney Island sterling image with this rest. operationWink
                 
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                  Posted: November 2, 2010, 11:06 pm - IP Logged

                  This type of gaming was called "Running the Numbers". It has been around for a long time, though state-sanctioned gambling has probably put a big dent in their profits.

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                    This type of gaming was called "Running the Numbers". It has been around for a long time, though state-sanctioned gambling has probably put a big dent in their profits.

                    Actually, to people who have actually been around it, it was called "numbers running" or "running numbers."

                    Calling it "Running the Numbers" is like calling beer drinking "Drinking the Beer."

                    Which is kinda goofy.

                    Are you from Rio Linda?


                                                                 
                                         
                                                             

                     

                     

                     

                     

                                                                                                                       

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                      Posted: November 3, 2010, 2:08 am - IP Logged

                      Who bets just a nickel?  If 100 bet $.05 then the bookie (or illegal lottery) would only bring in $5 and it would probably take almost an hour (depending on the accounting system) just to log the bets into the books.  $5 is simply not worth an hours worth of time with an operation like this.  There is more to this story.

                      This is how the game you now know as Pick 3 originated. The bet was a nickel. It didn't pay $250 back then but it was called playing "policy". It started in the ghettos and fortunes were made.

                      "The Outfit" (AHEM!) saw those fortunes being made and got in on the act and even bigger fortunes were made. Then they took it over.

                      Here's some info from WikiPredia:

                      Numbers game

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                      The numbers game, or policy racket, is an illegal lottery played mostly in poor neighborhoods in U.S. cities, wherein the bettor attempts to pick three or four digits to match those that will be randomly drawn the following day. The gambler places his or her bet with a bookie at a tavern, or other semi-private place that acts as a betting parlor. A runner carries the money and betting slips between the betting parlors and the headquarters, called a numbers bank or policy bank. The name policy is from a similarity to cheap insurance, both seen as a gamble on the future.[1]

                      History

                        The game dates back at least to the beginning of the Italian lottery, in 1530. Policy shops, where bettors choose numbers, were in the U.S. prior to 1860. By the early 20th century, the game was associated with poor communities, and could be played for as little as $0.01. One of the game's attractions to low income and working class bettors was the ability to bet small amounts of money. Also, unlike state lotteries, bookies could extend credit to the bettor. In addition, policy winners could avoid paying income tax. Different policy banks would offer different rates, though a payoff of 600 to 1 was typical. Since the odds of winning were 1000:1, the expected profit for racketeers was enormous. In the northeastern United States this game was known as the "!!!!!! Pool", because of its presence in poor African-American communities.[2] The game was also popular in Italian neighborhoods, and it was known in Cuban communities as bolita ("little ball"). In 1875, a report of a select committee of the New York State Assembly stated that "the lowest, meanest, worst form ... [that] gambling takes in the city of New York, is what is known as policy playing."[3]

                      Winning number

                      One of the problems of the early game was to find a way to draw a random number. Initially, winning numbers were set by the daily outcome of a random drawing of numbered balls, or by spinning a "policy wheel", at the headquarters of the local numbers ring. The daily outcomes were publicized by being posted after the draw at the headquarters, and were often "fixed". The existence of rigged games, used to cheat players and drive competitors out of business, later led to the use of the last three numbers in the published daily balance of the United States Treasury. The use of a central independently chosen number allowed for gamblers from a larger area to engage in the same game and it made possible larger wins. When the Treasury began rounding off the balance many bookies began to use the "mutuel" number. This consisted of the last dollar digit of the daily total handle of the Win, Place and Show bets at a local race track, read from top to bottom.

                      For example, if the daily handle was:

                      • Win $1004.25
                      • Place $583.56
                      • Show $27.61

                      then the daily number was 437.

                      By 1936, "The Bug" had spread to cities such as Atlanta where the winning number was determined by the last digit of that day's New York bond sales.[4]

                      Manipulation

                      Dutch Schultz is said to have rigged this system, thanks to an idea from Otto Berman, by betting heavily on certain races to change the Win, Place and Show numbers that determine the winning lottery number. This allegedly added ten percent to the Mob take.

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                      For the whole article just look up "playing policy, the numbers game" on Yahoo or Wikipedia.

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                        Posted: November 3, 2010, 5:31 pm - IP Logged

                        @Hermnus 104, et al-

                        History bears this out-

                        Remember the Revnuers chasing the ole monnshiners???

                        It;s still the same old cat & mouse game Wink

                         

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                          When gamblers talk with each other a "nickel bet" is $5 and a 50-cent bet is $50. But, if this was a court document with the court talking instead of a quote from the participants it would be cents... however it may be a  quote from the players.
                           
                          If it is a lottery, it is usually set up with the "house" getting half of  the proceeds, so the bookie would make half of whatever is bet the same as the state of Detroit does.  In California they keep 2/3 and give out 1/3 but even that 1/3 is only paid out over a 20 years period of time.  That makes is almost all profit to the State. If the winner wants it in cash they have to give up a substantial part of the winnings. Therefore, if a bookie wanted to book those bets he would have a tremendous advantage... but nobody would do it  because of the huge amount involved IF there is a winner.  I presume that they do the small ones where you just winthe smaller amounts... I think there is 50% there. 
                           
                          Horses are only a little over 15% which is good money for the bookie... and the track!   People are under the illusion that they can win at the horses if they can pick horses better than many of the other players, but they have to overcome
                          that 15%
                           
                           Good Luck All
                          EddessaKnight
                           
                           
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                          Certainly hope these guyz didn't tarnish the original Coney Island sterling image with this rest. operationWink
                           

                          Thanks EddessaKnight, appreciate it.


                                                                       
                                               
                                                                   

                           

                           

                           

                           

                                                                                                                             

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                            I'm a junior, same name as my father. I was home on leave in the Army when New Jersey the TV news said the atate approved the lottery. The phone rang within minutes, and they guy on the phone, thinking I was my fater, said, "If you wanna play wid da state go ahead, but don't forget us and we ain't gonna make you pay any taxes on any wins. Ciao."

                            True story.

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                              Rdgrnr, it's called "Running the Numbers" idiot. Rio Linda is full with ex-Tennessee residents, so I can understand your reference (We had to put them downwind from Sacramento, if you know what I mean...)  You are a remarkably idiotic person, rdgrnr. I think you should cease posting, because you just look more idiotic every time I read something you post. You are an absolute moron, rdgrnr.