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Changes coming to Powerball multi-state lottery game in January

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Posted: June 28, 2011, 5:02 pm - IP Logged

Oh well, six more months until I quit poweball. Hopefully something nice will happen in the meantime.

Good luck players, hopefully you guys too get lucky before the big change happens.

it would nice to win the last 1.00 drawing. you have to feel for the kitchen table people who sit around on a saturday nite with their 5.00-20.00 worth of PB tickets listening to oldies on the radio, drinking <snip>tails or coffee, waiting for the drawing that will now cost them double for the same amount of tickets. somehow i think the enthusiasm will dampen by doubling the price. still don't understand why people want to win that much (100mil or more). you would think that 2-10 million would please 99% of the populace, but no, they want the moon as their prize and won't settle for less.

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    Posted: June 28, 2011, 5:30 pm - IP Logged

    Todd,

    Did anyone from MUSL approach you about polling the members of this site about the change?  If not, I think they missed an opportunity to obtain some informed input.

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      Posted: June 28, 2011, 5:37 pm - IP Logged

      If anyone is interested, I emailed the MUSL and this is the response that I received about the Powerball change:

      We’ve done a lot of research on the game change.  Once players tested saw the game change, they agreed that $2 was not an issue.  We couldn’t really ever find one person among thousands who thought it was a bad idea.  Still, the lotteries were slow to change (we’ve been testing since 2005).  It was finally time to change a product that has had the same price since 1992.  Think of that.  In the meantime, lotteries have been adding more scratch games at $$2, $3, $5, $10, $20, and even $50.

       

      We know that players don’t buy tickets to win any prize but the jackpot, but winning more money also keeps folks interested in the game longer.  The current game averages about 132 millionaires a year (not counting jackpot winners).  The new game should average 572 millionaires per year.  The current average jackpot of $141 million should jump to $255 million. 

       

      The move is a little risky, but we’ve done lots of consumer testing and run the math many times.  This should work.  No one likes change, even good change, but we think that players will soon see this as a better game.

      i agree, this sounds extremely automated-y. Not to mention the info in there is preposturous.

      Out of 1000s, they REALLY couldnt find anyone to say anything negative, when after 2 or 3 posts on this board you had gobs of negativity?

      Man, I was all about the changes as i read down the list til I hit that $two dollar increase.

      If I wanted to spend $2 a ticket, I would buy the worthless powerplay option.

      Think about it, look back on all you have won and if you had spend double each time. What does it get you? For me, the MOST is maybe $300 over several years.  No telling how much I would have thrown away had I done that each time.

      Georgia has one $2-a-ticket game that I didnt realize and when passing through a few weeks ago I paid for this (luckily only bought one or 2). I was surprised it would cost this much per line, but whatever, one time wont hurt. So I thought...now I will be FORCED to pay this next year.

      But on that note, I really wont. I have already cut my spending down the past month on lottery and have noticed a huge difference in money leftover at the end. Instead of buying 10 or 12 tickets on powerball, I have disciplined myself to only 5, maybe 6. I also play Mega Millions and TN Cash so it can all add up (and I had been cutting back on them too).

      Looks like Mega Millions and Tennesee Cash will garner more of my wages beginning in 2012!

      I understand what PB wants to do -- compete with games that charge more than a dollar. But what they dont see is that we have a choice on those games. Now they are forcing us to pay $2 a pop if we want to participate.

      In the end I guess they will see how sales do. They obviously have done their research, but now it's a matter of seeing if they were right.

      I will continue to play PowerballONLY very very little though after these changes take effect.

      Mega Millions, please do not follow suit! and if you do, give us a CHOICE between $1, 2, or more per-ticket costs!

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        Posted: June 28, 2011, 5:45 pm - IP Logged

        Todd,

        Did anyone from MUSL approach you about polling the members of this site about the change?  If not, I think they missed an opportunity to obtain some informed input.

        They did not, but they most certainly read comments from players posted at Lottery Post -- and have for several years.   See chuck32's comment earlier in this thread.  (Chuck, you were already outed a long time ago, hopefully you don't mind the mention!  I think it's great that you make serious effort to directly address peoples' concerns.)

         

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          Posted: June 28, 2011, 5:45 pm - IP Logged

          Looks like I won't be playing this game anymore.  $1 a  game is fine........ $2 a whack is not. Joker831 (I don't know how to quote a post)

           

          As mentioned earlier, I hope MM doesn't do this.  Even with my pools, my lottery budget is limited.  If PB was all I had to play, my chances to play would be cut in half, thereby decreasing my chance of winning.

          Headed to MM to ask them not to do this.  If PB cared about what the players think, we would have heard about this before it was a done deal.

          I agree with you, why didn't they mention a probable changes before in was imminent.

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            Posted: June 28, 2011, 5:56 pm - IP Logged

            They did not, but they most certainly read comments from players posted at Lottery Post -- and have for several years.   See chuck32's comment earlier in this thread.  (Chuck, you were already outed a long time ago, hopefully you don't mind the mention!  I think it's great that you make serious effort to directly address peoples' concerns.)

            Ha!  No problem being outed (again).  The research method requires a full and clear presentation of the changes and a discussion of other options in the market and many more details about how the game will play - how the jackpots will build, the average jackpots offered and won, etc.  It also includes purchase modeling to try to judge how players will respond with their dollars, no matter what they say.  I can only ask that players give it a chance.  See how the game plays.  In the end, I think they will find more of what they expect from Powerball - more of the reason that they play.  One writer sees negative respones here and can't believe that research was positive (at least from a success point of view).  The writers here react to each other and to a news article about the game instead of a full survey.  And, of course it is one thing to complain and quite another to buy a ticket anyway.  The survey results showed a surprising number of player didn't care about $2.  Another bunch didn't like it, but agreed that they would still play.  We are assuming some loss of ticket purchases, but the bottom line for state programs and for money poured back into prizes is still favorable.

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              Posted: June 28, 2011, 6:09 pm - IP Logged
              •  Starting jackpots double to $40 million
              •  Better overall odds for more winners
              •  Ticket price will increase to $2
              •  Changes coming Jan. 15, 2012

              As Powerball prepares to celebrate its 20th year in 2012, the game is being redesigned to bring more value to its players.

              Jackpots will start at $40 million and the jackpot is being made easier to win. The overall odds of winning any prize are also easier, and there are more chances to win a prize of at least $1 million cash. The ticket price also will change, moving from $1 to $2.

              Since getting its start in April 1992 in 15 states with jackpots that started at a guaranteed $2 million, Powerball has grown into one of the world's biggest and most recognizable lottery games. Today it's played in 44 jurisdictions across the United States, with players buying more than $3 billion annually in Powerball tickets.

              The biggest Powerball jackpot so far was a $365 million prize split by eight co-workers at a Nebraska meat-packing plant in February 2006.

              With that success comes a demand for innovation to keep things fresh.  Alan Yandow, Vermont Lottery Executive Director and Powerball Group Chair, said lotteries are responding with the latest changes in Powerball.

              "Frequently we hear from players suggesting that in addition to Powerball's big jackpots, we give away more $1 million cash prizes," Yandow said.  "We're excited to deliver the opportunity to create more millionaires and also provide more opportunities to raise additional revenues for the respected causes benefitted by lotteries."

              U.S. lottery directors this month approved the upcoming changes to the game.  The enriched Powerball game will debut Jan. 15, 2012.  Tickets in the game will cost $2 and the Power Play multiplier feature will still be available for an extra $1 per play.  For that extra $1, players have the chance to win $2 million cash for the match 5 prize.

              Players in the newly designed game will still choose their first five numbers from a pool of 59, but the group of numbers in the Powerball pool will shrink from 39 to 35, producing better overall odds of winning a prize in the game.

              Players today have a 1 in 35 overall chance of winning, which will improve to 1 in 31.8 in the revamped game.  The Powerball jackpots will start at $40 million, double the current starting jackpot of $20 million.

              The odds of winning the jackpot will still be astronomical, but they will improve a bit to 1 in 175,223,510 — a hair better than Mega Millions' 1 in 175,711,536 odds.

              Yandow said that by changing Powerball's ticket price to $2, U.S. lotteries are following the same successful business model they've used for years with lottery scratch games by offering various tickets at different prices.  The Mega Millions jackpot game and other in-state lotto and scratch games will still be available for those players who prefer the $1 price level of play.

              The new Powerball game will still offer players nine ways to win prizes, with its second prize moving up to $1 million in cash from the current $200,000, and the lowest prize level (for those who match just the Powerball) being elevated to $4 from $3.

              Since Powerball's inception on April 19, 1992, the game has generated approximately $33 billion in sales for lotteries that the game supports.  About 25 to 35 percent of that amount goes to good causes such as education, senior programs, local towns and the environment; 50 percent is paid in cash prizes and 6 percent goes back to local communities in the form of retailer compensation. Participating Powerball jurisdictions are expected to generate even more money for those good causes by selling the new Powerball game.

              Powerball drawings are Wednesdays and Saturdays at 10:59 p.m. Eastern Time, 9:59 p.m. Central Time, 8:59 p.m. Mountain Time and 7:59 p.m. Pacific Time.  The winning numbers are published within minutes of the drawing at USA Mega (www.usamega.com).

              BUY ONE TICKET AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE TO WIN A JACKPOT

              I will buy one lottery ticket at some time in the future to be able to legitimately dream of winning a huge lottery jackpot.

              I have to be in it to win it.I can't dream of winning the lottery unless I play.If I never buy a ticket I can never win unless I find a winning ticket, somebody buys a ticket for me, the lottery allows me to play for free or someone I know wins a big lottery jackpot, and he or she gives me money.But I want to win the lottery by buying my own ticket.

              HOW MANY TIMES DO I DREAM OF WINNING? DO I HAVE TO WIN DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY OR YEARLY TO BE HAPPY? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO.

              I ONLY HAVE TO WIN ONCE.SO I ONLY HAVE TO BUY 1 LOTTERY TICKET, AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE TO BE ABLE TO LEGITIMATELY DREAM OF WINNING A HUGE LOTTERY JACKPOT.

              THE KEY TO WINNING ANY LOTTERY IS JUST TO BE A PLAYER BY BUYING 1 LOTTERY TICKET AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE REGARDLESS OF THE ODDS TO WIN.

              ALL YOU NEED IS 1 LOTTERY TICKET AND A DREAM

              I HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN A LOTTERY JACKPOT IF I PLAY ONE DAY.MAYBE TOMORROW.MAYBE NOT.

              I CAN'T WIN THE LOTTERY IF I DON'T PLAY. BUT THE MORE I PLAY, THE MORE I LOSE.

              I DO NOT LET MATH FOOL ME.SOMEONE WILL WIN REGARDLESS OF THE ODDS TO WIN, THAT IS A FACT.

              I WILL LIMIT MY SPENDING TO 1 LOTTERY TICKET WHENEVER I DECIDE TO PLAY (1 LOTTERY TICKET LOSS LIMIT). It only takes one combination to win it all.GOOD LUCK EVERYBODY

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                Posted: June 28, 2011, 6:38 pm - IP Logged

                Right now I'm not a fan of this. I hope mega millions doesn't decide to go to $2 dollars. And if MM does decide to up the ante, they may as well make their game a $5 game and start the jackpots at 100 million.

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                  Look at the recent powerball run from the starting jackpot below. We are suppose to believe that there would be higher jackpots and more millionaires from the 5+0 wins by guess what tweaking the 0 part by reducing it from 39 to 35. How exactly is that suppose to work.

                  63M

                  2 Players
                  Matched 5+0:


                  - 1 from New Jersey

                  - 1 from Texas

                  49M

                  3 Players
                  Matched 5+0:


                  - 1 from Arizona with Power Play

                  - 1 from Massachusetts

                  - 1 from Minnesota

                  36M

                  5 Players
                  Matched 5+0:

                  - 1 from Illinois with Power Play

                  - 1 from Indiana

                  - 1 from Kansas

                  - 1 from Louisiana

                  - 1 from Ohio

                  25M

                  1 Player
                  Matched 5+0:


                  - 1 from Kansas

                  20M

                  1 Player
                  Matched 5+0:


                  - 1 from New York

                   

                  The problem is nobody is winning. I can't remember the last time I got a 3+0. Look at Maddog's challenge. 20 people post 12 numbers each in the end two people get 1+0 or 0+1. No offence.

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                    Posted: June 28, 2011, 7:53 pm - IP Logged

                    If I decide to play, I will play less lines for more money, of course the jackpot will grow if enough people do the same thing I will do.

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                      Posted: June 28, 2011, 7:55 pm - IP Logged

                      This is just an easy way for lottery officials to double their money at the players expense. I have got to win Powerball this year. When the changes go in effective I will no longer play powerball. I will just have settle for the jackpot in the Florida Lotto with better odds. At least it will still cost $1 and I don't have worry about matching the powerball.

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                        Posted: June 28, 2011, 8:01 pm - IP Logged

                        Personally, when the jackpot is won I will often only get 1 ticket for the next 2 or 3 draws, till the JP is back up.  I wonder if a lot of people do that, and that's what they're tyring to counteract by making that starting jackpot higher.  I know when they change it, I will buy at least 2 tickets for that $40M JP.

                        I've always bought the powerplay option anyway, looking for that million dollar prize, so this isn't a big change for me.  I can still spend my $2 per ticket, have a chance at a million bucks, AND have a bigger starting JP.  I haven't decided yet if I'll start spending $3 per ticket.  That doubles the 2nd prize to 2 mil, right?  Hmmmmm.

                        The impending change has already been addressed on the FAQ page at powerball.com.  When I read it, I thought of your mention of people who don't buy tickets until the jackpot is higher.  It seems they did at least consider such implications.  From the latest FAQ entry:

                        "The guaranted starting jackpot will double to $40 million and will jump twice as fast, by at least $10 million each draw. It may be that the jackpot grows so quickly that players will not have time to notice that the game has hit their “buy” point. So please pay attention."

                        http://www.powerball.com/pb_contact.asp

                        Shortening the time during which the "big jackpot only" players don't buy tickets would seem to have a positive likely effect on overall revenue, even if people buy half as many tickets (or otherwise spend the same amount; since the price of a Powerplay ticket increases by only 50%, and so a Powerplay buyer who spends the same amount would have more than half as many tickets).

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                          Posted: June 28, 2011, 8:07 pm - IP Logged

                          Look at the recent powerball run from the starting jackpot below. We are suppose to believe that there would be higher jackpots and more millionaires from the 5+0 wins by guess what tweaking the 0 part by reducing it from 39 to 35. How exactly is that suppose to work.

                          63M

                          2 Players
                          Matched 5+0:


                          - 1 from New Jersey

                          - 1 from Texas

                          49M

                          3 Players
                          Matched 5+0:


                          - 1 from Arizona with Power Play

                          - 1 from Massachusetts

                          - 1 from Minnesota

                          36M

                          5 Players
                          Matched 5+0:

                          - 1 from Illinois with Power Play

                          - 1 from Indiana

                          - 1 from Kansas

                          - 1 from Louisiana

                          - 1 from Ohio

                          25M

                          1 Player
                          Matched 5+0:


                          - 1 from Kansas

                          20M

                          1 Player
                          Matched 5+0:


                          - 1 from New York

                           

                          The problem is nobody is winning. I can't remember the last time I got a 3+0. Look at Maddog's challenge. 20 people post 12 numbers each in the end two people get 1+0 or 0+1. No offence.

                          Great point Editgap. That really puts it in perspective and reminds me that out of MM AND PB in TN there hasn't even been a winner of more than $100 or $150 in the last few weeks.

                          This is why I just do not foresee much benefit to this DOUBLE pricepoint.

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                            Posted: June 28, 2011, 8:11 pm - IP Logged

                            I am surpised that research by MUSL (Powerball) found that a vast majority of players would not object to the $2.00 per play.

                            About the overwhelming negative response on this board.

                            I have found that usually the opinons on message boards no matter the topic are part of the small minority.  This which would substantiate the research by MUSL.

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                              Honestly, I do not think this is fair at all.  Ok so the plan is to change the game but my big question is this....

                              If we have to spend $2.00 - $3.00 per game then I think that the option should be:

                              5 of 5 + 0 (without the Power Play) should pay out an automatic $1,000,000.00

                              5 of 5 + 0 (with Power Play) should pay out $2,000,000.00

                              And at this price hike they should pay out more on the small wins also. (All this would be worth my $3.00 a game, so what do you think about that MUSL, how's that for negotiations)

                              Give us something for that extra dollar that you will be ripping off from us.

                              If I play, I will only play one grid and I think a lot more people will be doing the same, the ticket sales will drop, in this economy it is ridicilous to raise the cost of the game.

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