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Changes coming to Powerball multi-state lottery game in January

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Posted: June 29, 2011, 11:21 am - IP Logged

Honestly, I do not think this is fair at all.  Ok so the plan is to change the game but my big question is this....

If we have to spend $2.00 - $3.00 per game then I think that the option should be:

5 of 5 + 0 (without the Power Play) should pay out an automatic $1,000,000.00

5 of 5 + 0 (with Power Play) should pay out $2,000,000.00

And at this price hike they should pay out more on the small wins also. (All this would be worth my $3.00 a game, so what do you think about that MUSL, how's that for negotiations)

Give us something for that extra dollar that you will be ripping off from us.

If I play, I will only play one grid and I think a lot more people will be doing the same, the ticket sales will drop, in this economy it is ridicilous to raise the cost of the game.

The new Powerball game will still offer players nine ways to win prizes, with its second prize moving up to $1 million in cash from the current $200,000, and the lowest prize level (for those who match just the Powerball) being elevated to $4 from $3.

My apologies, I overlooked the highlighted statement above from the article, thanks a bunch Rdgrnr for pointing it out to me, had to read it all over again (slowly…lol). From the new discovery, I retract the previous statement I posted…Powerball has my vote.

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    Posted: June 29, 2011, 11:30 am - IP Logged

    I was not aware the Canadian games are popular with US residents.

    I will send you a private message to answer your second question. I do not want to discuss the pools I play in on this forum in case it is seen as promotion or advertising as per the forum rules.

    It's called sarcasm, to address your first sentence.

    On the second part, you did not have a problem in the past discussing it.  Remember when you posted under the name "Lionel"?  Or "Jake649"?  Under those names you discussed your pools all the time.  These days running an online pool probably would get more scrutiny, so maybe that's why you want to keep it under the radar.

     

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      It's called sarcasm, to address your first sentence.

      On the second part, you did not have a problem in the past discussing it.  Remember when you posted under the name "Lionel"?  Or "Jake649"?  Under those names you discussed your pools all the time.  These days running an online pool probably would get more scrutiny, so maybe that's why you want to keep it under the radar.

      Sorry, I guess I did not understand the purpose of the sarcasm.

      I am keeping it under the radar to conform to your rules. By the way, you must be aware not all members conform to your rules.

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        Posted: June 29, 2011, 11:53 am - IP Logged

        Sorry, I guess I did not understand the purpose of the sarcasm.

        I am keeping it under the radar to conform to your rules. By the way, you must be aware not all members conform to your rules.

        I'm afraid trying to describe the purpose of my sarcasm would be very boring to most here, since it is plainly obvious.

        I know you're saying you're trying to abide by the rules here, but that has never stopped you in the past.  Like when you posted your link under the name "Lionel".  Or when you discussed your various pools under the name "Jake649".  And, of course, I'm sure you're familiar with the rules against creating multiple accounts on Lottery Post, yet it did not stop you from doing that either.  So you'll excuse me if I don't buy your "I'm only trying to abide by the rules" line.

         

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          Posted: June 29, 2011, 12:22 pm - IP Logged

          Good deal.

          Are you able to comment on the progress of a new national game?  Are the changes to Powerball in lieu of a new national game, or is it still in the works?

          The national game is still in the works.  The idea is to come up with something new.  It is at the stage where concepts need to be turned into specific games.

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            Posted: June 29, 2011, 12:34 pm - IP Logged

            The national game is still in the works.  The idea is to come up with something new.  It is at the stage where concepts need to be turned into specific games.

            OK, good to hear, thanks for the update.

             

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              Posted: June 29, 2011, 1:18 pm - IP Logged

              The new Powerball game will still offer players nine ways to win prizes, with its second prize moving up to $1 million in cash from the current $200,000, and the lowest prize level (for those who match just the Powerball) being elevated to $4 from $3.

              Let's see what these "better odds" really are. Right now $2 gives you a  1 in 97.5 million chance of winning the jackpot, and for the same $2 the new game will give you a 1 in 175 million chance. They claim that the jackpot will be twice as big, but right now you can spend that $2 for the  better chance at a 40 million jackpot by waiting until it rolls a couple of times. The only possible improvement here will be the chance to win a jackpot that's higher then the current record, but it still costs 100% more for odds that are only 10% better.

              For $2 you currently have about a 1 in 31 chance of winning $3. The new game will make that lowest prize about 90% less likely, but in exchange for that 90% reduction they're boosting the prize by 33%.

              For all of the n+0 prizes the odds for a $2 bet will double. With the exception of the 5+0 I expect we'll see a similar increase of 30 to 40% in the prize that's offered for that 100% increase in the odds against you. For the n+1 prizes the odds will increase by "only" about 95%, presumably with the same 30 to 40% increase in the prize you're twice as likely to miss out on.

              Of course there's no such thing as a free lunch, and players will have to suck up those losses for the few who match 5+0, which is the only actual improvement for the players. For a $2 bet the odds against winning have doubled, but the prize is 5 times better.

              The one thing I haven't seen mentioned is the new slogan for the new game. I'm guessing it will be "Welcome to the new Powerball! Because Powerball players really are bad at math."

              The new Powerball game will still offer players nine ways to win prizes, with its second prize moving up to $1 million in cash from the current $200,000, and the lowest prize level (for those who match just the Powerball) being elevated to $4 from $3.
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                Posted: June 29, 2011, 1:57 pm - IP Logged

                "$2 and a dream". Just don't have the same ring to it. I decide yesterday I will either win this year or retire Powerball in January. I play every draw and never get anything. So it will be very easy for me to quit.

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                  Posted: June 29, 2011, 2:07 pm - IP Logged

                  "$2 and a dream". Just don't have the same ring to it. I decide yesterday I will either win this year or retire Powerball in January. I play every draw and never get anything. So it will be very easy for me to quit.

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                    Posted: June 29, 2011, 2:09 pm - IP Logged

                    "$2 and a dream". Just don't have the same ring to it. I decide yesterday I will either win this year or retire Powerball in January. I play every draw and never get anything. So it will be very easy for me to quit.

                    "Tired of playing Powerball".  Well, that's kind a good reason for making changes to the game.  Some other value adds are still in the works too.  Lots of folks are making knee-jerk judgments and decisions about what they plan to do in January 2012.  How about  just sitting tight to see what happens?  Maybe a meteor will strike the Earth before then.

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                      Posted: June 29, 2011, 2:12 pm - IP Logged

                      Meh, thats not due until December of next year. So I guess we will have almost a full year of trying the new $2 system before we all are kaput. :)

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                        The national game is still in the works.  The idea is to come up with something new.  It is at the stage where concepts need to be turned into specific games.

                        I assume you are a Powerball official with direct knowledge regarding game details.

                        In your comment, you say 'turned into specific games."

                        Are there more than one national game in the works?

                        You also advised players who say they will quit playing PB in January to defer final judgment because there are some 'added value' in the
                        works.

                        What does that mean?

                        Thanks for a reply


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                          I'm afraid trying to describe the purpose of my sarcasm would be very boring to most here, since it is plainly obvious.

                          I know you're saying you're trying to abide by the rules here, but that has never stopped you in the past.  Like when you posted your link under the name "Lionel".  Or when you discussed your various pools under the name "Jake649".  And, of course, I'm sure you're familiar with the rules against creating multiple accounts on Lottery Post, yet it did not stop you from doing that either.  So you'll excuse me if I don't buy your "I'm only trying to abide by the rules" line.

                          Todd, I find your criticism rather harsh given what has gone on here lately.

                          I may have had other accounts in the past but never more than one account at a time. Over the years, I have gone through many computers, email addresses and job relocations and have resorted to creating a new account when I could not resurrect an old account.

                          In the past, when I did post information about a particular pool, I was under the impression I was abiding by the rules. Many members here promote their systems and styles of play. When you informed me to no longer mention my pools, I complied.

                          Forgive me, but I still do not understand the message in your sarcasm. Were you saying it is not a good idea or of no value for a person to buy lottery tickets from other countries?

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                            Posted: June 29, 2011, 3:23 pm - IP Logged

                            Todd, I find your criticism rather harsh given what has gone on here lately.

                            I may have had other accounts in the past but never more than one account at a time. Over the years, I have gone through many computers, email addresses and job relocations and have resorted to creating a new account when I could not resurrect an old account.

                            In the past, when I did post information about a particular pool, I was under the impression I was abiding by the rules. Many members here promote their systems and styles of play. When you informed me to no longer mention my pools, I complied.

                            Forgive me, but I still do not understand the message in your sarcasm. Were you saying it is not a good idea or of no value for a person to buy lottery tickets from other countries?

                            Nice try, but no.

                            Over the years you have created many "personalities", and you knew very well it wasn't allowed.

                            For example, here's a post you made under the Jake649 name, in which you criticized another member for doing it: http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/78621/160540

                            That was in December 2003.  You've had several accounts since then.  Here's a smattering, although not a complete list:

                            Lionel
                            Member Since:  April 14, 2002
                            Last Visited:  March 17, 2006

                            Jake649
                            Member Since:  November 2, 2003
                            Last Visited:  September 26, 2006

                            LottoGroups
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                            Last Visited:  January 16, 2008

                            Mario38
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                            Last Visited:  June 29, 2011

                            I think even you can see the overlap in time periods.  Even if you "changed jobs" or whatever, that certainly wouldn't necessitate the creation of multiple personalities simultaneously.  If you changed e-mail addresses, you would simply change the e-mail address on your account, not create a new one.

                            And if you could no longer access your old account, as you claim, it is very strange how you were able to login again anyway, even after you supposedly had to create a new account.  That's why I included the "Last Visited" information, which anyone can see simply by viewing your various personalities' profiles.

                             

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                              I assume you are a Powerball official with direct knowledge regarding game details.

                              In your comment, you say 'turned into specific games."

                              Are there more than one national game in the works?

                              You also advised players who say they will quit playing PB in January to defer final judgment because there are some 'added value' in the
                              works.

                              What does that mean?

                              Thanks for a reply

                              Creating a new game involves getting creative folks together for a sesssion or two to come up with new game concepts.  After the second meeting, there were 223 game concepts created.  After several meetings and research groups, that was whittled down to four.  In the end, the national game will be one game concept. 

                              Some added value options are in the proposal process.  The lotteries will eventually vote on what to accept, if any.  Since U.S. lotteries are run by state governments, with varying degrees of open records laws, the ordinary rules of making good business decisions about the timing of announcements regarding product design don't always apply and so the information had to be released immediately, even if everything if it is not quite baked yet.  In the end, if changes are made, the new game will only get better.  Even without changes, the math is quite compelling, but without taking everyone through a crash course is Poisson Distribution and statistics, we can only ask everyone to wait and see how it performs.  Numbers rule.