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I used to be a believer that pooling money together would be a great idea because many people are able to buy a whole lot more tickets than an individual but not any more. I think the only pool I'd join would have to be like those that are done over in the UK, complete with syndicate rules and  agreements and signatures and run professionally by a manager. But maybe not. Many people win by themselves and I think its much easier that way.

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    I always thought about joining a pool, but this case is making me think otherwise.  Unless you are the one running it, you really have to put your trust into people.  That guy seems like he was willing to reall jip 5 people out of their fair share of the money.  How can someone who just got sooo lucky by winning the lotto want to bring such bad karma back to them by doing something like that?

    Because some people don't care.  Also, many people know that karma doesn't exist. Mail For You

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      I run the lottery pool at my place of employment.  I have a 9x12 envelope that stays on the file holder on my office door.  Everyone puts in their own money and then signs the envelope.  I buy the tickets the day of the drawing, scan them, and then send everyone an email with the scanned copy of the tickets.  Then the tickets get locked in a safe.

      If we win money that is more than the group put in for tickets, it is divided up.  Anything less goes back in for the next drawing.  Also, the winnings that are put back in do not count towards an individuals play for the next drawing.  Example, this last draw we won $7, but we spent $40 (there were 20 people).  Everyone's share would be .35, but since it is less than the $2 it goes back in and you still have to put your $2 in for the next drawing, the .35 does not count individually.

      I do not buy my tickets the same day as the drawing and when I do, its not at the same place that I buy for the group.

      I would think a little research would show exactly when and where the winning ticket was purchased in this case.  If the winning ticket was not purchased at the same place at the same time as the rest of them, the guy is in the clear, IMO.  But, it certainly looks sneaky the way he did it.

      It sounds as though this lottery pool is too large.  How often do you collect more signatures than monies due in your unmanned envelope? 

      The article, above, indicates that not only should each player receive a copy of the front of lottery tickets but also the BACK side of tickets ... I don't know of any machines that do that easily, what a hassle before each drawing, multiple times per week!

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          I used to be a believer that pooling money together would be a great idea because many people are able to buy a whole lot more tickets than an individual but not any more. I think the only pool I'd join would have to be like those that are done over in the UK, complete with syndicate rules and  agreements and signatures and run professionally by a manager. But maybe not. Many people win by themselves and I think its much easier that way.

          People joining a pool of co-workers and friends expect a lot more for free than those syndicates in the UK are charging for.  Those syndicates expect to be paid a lot more than the actual cost of the tickets and they aren't a friend you can expect to cover for you if you are a little late or short with money.

           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
             
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            I run the lottery pool at my place of employment.  I have a 9x12 envelope that stays on the file holder on my office door.  Everyone puts in their own money and then signs the envelope.  I buy the tickets the day of the drawing, scan them, and then send everyone an email with the scanned copy of the tickets.  Then the tickets get locked in a safe.

            If we win money that is more than the group put in for tickets, it is divided up.  Anything less goes back in for the next drawing.  Also, the winnings that are put back in do not count towards an individuals play for the next drawing.  Example, this last draw we won $7, but we spent $40 (there were 20 people).  Everyone's share would be .35, but since it is less than the $2 it goes back in and you still have to put your $2 in for the next drawing, the .35 does not count individually.

            I do not buy my tickets the same day as the drawing and when I do, its not at the same place that I buy for the group.

            I would think a little research would show exactly when and where the winning ticket was purchased in this case.  If the winning ticket was not purchased at the same place at the same time as the rest of them, the guy is in the clear, IMO.  But, it certainly looks sneaky the way he did it.

            Man, this is too much work! Playing the lottery is supposed to be fun and pools just seem to sap the fun out of it.  I bet Mrs. White had more fun winning than, say those NY Costco pool winners.  I definitely know that guy from CA who won while visiting NY had more fun than that Chubb insurance pool. 
            Here's the thing I enjoy about playing the lottery as an individual:

            I buy my ticket(s), dream about "what my life would be like if one of my tickets match the numbers drawn" and nowhere in my dream does it turn into a nightmare.  No matter whether the jackpot is hit by someone else or rolls over does it ever kill my dream because there is always the possibility presented by the next drawing. 

            But if I were in a pool, I would have to concern myself with making sure all pool tickets are present, documented, with documentation disseminated to all pool participants prior to the drawing, and that all pool participants have signed pool agreement delineating pool participation is only valid IF you have contributed established wager amount and signed the roster by applicable deadline.  All of this hassle makes me think many law firms do not allow or encourage such arrangements within their firms...why it is always better to represent others in a squabble over lottery money, and in that way, they, the lawyers, still win even when they lose individually playing the lottery.

            Just say NO to pools....and if you want to jump in one so badly, please make sure you are wearing an appropriate fitting swimming suit!

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            The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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              It sounds as though this lottery pool is too large.  How often do you collect more signatures than monies due in your unmanned envelope? 

              The article, above, indicates that not only should each player receive a copy of the front of lottery tickets but also the BACK side of tickets ... I don't know of any machines that do that easily, what a hassle before each drawing, multiple times per week!

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              Never has there been more money than signatures, except when we have won a small amount.  Most we've won was $7 on the last drawing.  I do not make copies of the backs of the tickets.  I also keep all the envelopes from the prior drawings, just in case anyone wants to check them. 

              We haven't been doing it for that long, just since the first part of February, so no major issues have come up.

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                And if I worked somewhere were there was a lottery pool, I would avoid participating in it even though they stand as good a chance as I of winning.  Sure, it would suck to be "that guy" looking in from the outside should they win.  But the fact that I have never witnessed a lottery pool do due diligence in claiming the prize makes me averse to such arrangements.  Lottery pools usually come out for a press conference a few days or weeks after the win whereas an individual can discreetly claim on his/her own timetable.  Of course, there is a way to "be in the pool" without being in the pool...just have a good friend who is a part of the pool show you the groups tickets before each drawing, take a picture and then go play those exact numbers.  So if they win, you still win by being the "other" winning ticket.  And in that case you won't have to share your half or third with all the others since they are sharing the other half or third.  Brilliant!

                Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

                The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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                  Man, this is too much work! Playing the lottery is supposed to be fun and pools just seem to sap the fun out of it.  I bet Mrs. White had more fun winning than, say those NY Costco pool winners.  I definitely know that guy from CA who won while visiting NY had more fun than that Chubb insurance pool. 
                  Here's the thing I enjoy about playing the lottery as an individual:

                  I buy my ticket(s), dream about "what my life would be like if one of my tickets match the numbers drawn" and nowhere in my dream does it turn into a nightmare.  No matter whether the jackpot is hit by someone else or rolls over does it ever kill my dream because there is always the possibility presented by the next drawing. 

                  But if I were in a pool, I would have to concern myself with making sure all pool tickets are present, documented, with documentation disseminated to all pool participants prior to the drawing, and that all pool participants have signed pool agreement delineating pool participation is only valid IF you have contributed established wager amount and signed the roster by applicable deadline.  All of this hassle makes me think many law firms do not allow or encourage such arrangements within their firms...why it is always better to represent others in a squabble over lottery money, and in that way, they, the lawyers, still win even when they lose individually playing the lottery.

                  Just say NO to pools....and if you want to jump in one so badly, please make sure you are wearing an appropriate fitting swimming suit!

                  But if I were in a pool, I would have to concern myself with making sure all pool tickets are present, documented, with documentation disseminated to all pool participants prior to the drawing, and that all pool participants have signed pool agreement delineating pool participation is only valid IF you have contributed established wager amount and signed the roster by applicable deadline.  All of this hassle makes me think many law firms do not allow or encourage such arrangements within their firms...why it is always better to represent others in a squabble over lottery money, and in that way, they, the lawyers, still win even when they lose individually playing the lottery.

                  I agree with some of that.  I set it up so that I don't have to track people down.  The envelope is there and if you want in, you have to make the effort to get in.  I have been buying the tickets at the same time before each drawing and I announce the time in the email that I send.  I put the burden on each individual to make the effort, because we all know someone that if you aren't pushing them to do something it won't get done.

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                    I am winning for certain any lottery on this earth with my heartbreaking intelligence.  I have many members come and go, and till today for the last 30 years I have won over 800 million DKK (about 150 million US).  In all I have roughly collected 30 million US over these years to win the amount on most lotteries and keno games I won multiple times.

                    My way of dividing the amount is simple.  I dont make any copies etc of tickets or persons pooling get nothing from me, other than my word of mouth.  i was honest with a few and they spread the news and i am going fine so far winning for over 50,000 people on this earth.


                    In the first instance, I have a personnal interview with the person wanting to give me money, after scrutiny and making the interested customer understand the barriers and patiance required, then i select and opt to receive funds from the person on regular basis without a break.

                     

                    when i win for example 100 million DKK at the end of one year, all i do is yearly calculate, the toal blocks i played in keno and lotto to get the 100 million. On an average 1 block costs a dollar.  in the year i played 5 million blocks in all system games, and i won 100 million, each block gets 20 DKK.  If one poor lady payed me only one dollar in one year to play she will get half of 20 DKK or about 2 dollars, in short i in a glance sum up, all amounts payed into the account, and immediatly pay the sum into their accounts, i pay off half the winnings, has the other half is kept to try to win again, if i lost this, thats it... however everytime i win all get a share, and dormant people not paying for years too are in it.  if for one year you add nothing to the pool, you get 20% less of the winnings eventually you pay nothing in 5 years, finally you get nothing. Since I pay half, and when the other half wins, the dormant player again is in the win list, and this goes on, and my dormat p+layers too get amounts in their bank, although they pay me nothing, due to my policy.

                    I honestly feel like making public some numbers for the mega millions for friday 16th march 2012, so with the multiplier all got a feed, how many hten will credit to my account in new zealand about 50% for giving the numbers.  i may post number

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                      Never has there been more money than signatures, except when we have won a small amount.  Most we've won was $7 on the last drawing.  I do not make copies of the backs of the tickets.  I also keep all the envelopes from the prior drawings, just in case anyone wants to check them. 

                      We haven't been doing it for that long, just since the first part of February, so no major issues have come up.

                      I think what HaveABall was asking is have you ever had anyone sign their name to the roster, but not contribute the stated donation amount in order to participate since you said the envelope is unmanned which prevents corroboration or verification that each signed person actually contributed the stated amount.  So think about this:  most lottery pools operate on a "share" basis meaning a person could be a part of the pool if they meet the minimum contribution amount, but one who contributes a multiple of the minimum "buys" a bigger share of any potential winnings.  So someone with a bit more disposable income could contribute, say $10 per drawing when the minimum amount to take part is $2 per drawing.  So that would entitle the ten buck player 5 shares of the jackpot vice just one share.  So in your case, someone could say they dropped a Hamilton in when they only dropped two Washingtons.  How would you know they did or didn't do that?  So you can see that just as dishonesty can plague lottery pools on the backend of a win, it can also affect you on the front-end as well.  You would do well to establish a way to personally verify each contribution.

                      Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

                      The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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                        I am winning for certain any lottery on this earth with my heartbreaking intelligence.  I have many members come and go, and till today for the last 30 years I have won over 800 million DKK (about 150 million US).  In all I have roughly collected 30 million US over these years to win the amount on most lotteries and keno games I won multiple times.

                        My way of dividing the amount is simple.  I dont make any copies etc of tickets or persons pooling get nothing from me, other than my word of mouth.  i was honest with a few and they spread the news and i am going fine so far winning for over 50,000 people on this earth.


                        In the first instance, I have a personnal interview with the person wanting to give me money, after scrutiny and making the interested customer understand the barriers and patiance required, then i select and opt to receive funds from the person on regular basis without a break.

                         

                        when i win for example 100 million DKK at the end of one year, all i do is yearly calculate, the toal blocks i played in keno and lotto to get the 100 million. On an average 1 block costs a dollar.  in the year i played 5 million blocks in all system games, and i won 100 million, each block gets 20 DKK.  If one poor lady payed me only one dollar in one year to play she will get half of 20 DKK or about 2 dollars, in short i in a glance sum up, all amounts payed into the account, and immediatly pay the sum into their accounts, i pay off half the winnings, has the other half is kept to try to win again, if i lost this, thats it... however everytime i win all get a share, and dormant people not paying for years too are in it.  if for one year you add nothing to the pool, you get 20% less of the winnings eventually you pay nothing in 5 years, finally you get nothing. Since I pay half, and when the other half wins, the dormant player again is in the win list, and this goes on, and my dormat p+layers too get amounts in their bank, although they pay me nothing, due to my policy.

                        I honestly feel like making public some numbers for the mega millions for friday 16th march 2012, so with the multiplier all got a feed, how many hten will credit to my account in new zealand about 50% for giving the numbers.  i may post number

                        Uhhhhh NO way! Dupe Alert

                        Get MONEY!!! Winning a JACKPOT lottery is all the HOPE and CHANGE I desire!!!  NOW give me MONEY!US Flag

                        The guy who won the presidency in 2008 really won the lottery...he is now millions richer, travels in first class style, and even has a staff that would be the envy of the richest Powerball winner (she has a staff of 2). Every night he goes to sleep, he probably plays the close of Dave Chappelle's Show: I'm rich beyatch!

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                          Uhhhhh NO way! Dupe Alert

                          Well OldSchoolPa....ya think this is legit and we should all invest ???...mights well put me in a dress, bend me over the kitchen table and call me Hazel......With that said..., haven't seen any scams lately down here(but we are due), what about up your way ???

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                            I think what HaveABall was asking is have you ever had anyone sign their name to the roster, but not contribute the stated donation amount in order to participate since you said the envelope is unmanned which prevents corroboration or verification that each signed person actually contributed the stated amount.  So think about this:  most lottery pools operate on a "share" basis meaning a person could be a part of the pool if they meet the minimum contribution amount, but one who contributes a multiple of the minimum "buys" a bigger share of any potential winnings.  So someone with a bit more disposable income could contribute, say $10 per drawing when the minimum amount to take part is $2 per drawing.  So that would entitle the ten buck player 5 shares of the jackpot vice just one share.  So in your case, someone could say they dropped a Hamilton in when they only dropped two Washingtons.  How would you know they did or didn't do that?  So you can see that just as dishonesty can plague lottery pools on the backend of a win, it can also affect you on the front-end as well.  You would do well to establish a way to personally verify each contribution.

                            I think what HaveABall was asking is have you ever had anyone sign their name to the roster, but not contribute the stated donation amount in order to participate since you said the envelope is unmanned which prevents corroboration or verification that each signed person actually contributed the stated amount. 

                            This has not come up yet.  It certainly could.  Not exactly sure how I would handle it.  I'd probably just cover the $2 myself. 

                            most lottery pools operate on a "share" basis meaning a person could be a part of the pool if they meet the minimum contribution amount, but one who contributes a multiple of the minimum "buys" a bigger share of any potential winnings.  So someone with a bit more disposable income could contribute, say $10 per drawing when the minimum amount to take part is $2 per drawing.  So that would entitle the ten buck player 5 shares of the jackpot vice just one share.  So in your case, someone could say they dropped a Hamilton in when they only dropped two Washingtons.

                            I set it up so that it is $2 for each drawing, no more, no less, to avoid that scenario.  I did have one guy want to get in for $20 for that reason and when I told him that I wasn't doing it that way, he has decided to be "that guy", but that's okay.

                            You would do well to establish a way to personally verify each contribution.

                            You may be right here, and if it comes up more than one time, I will then take steps to fix it or just end the pool.

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                              Any way the Mega millions is so lucrative, about 15 years ago I was responsible or I was behind about 30,000 pakistan nationals playing the same numbers on a lotto betting site paying maximum of 100,000 pounds for every winner, and the bet company sent the scotland yard to denmark to talk to me for giving the numbers and why i let so many people have so much money, this was not fraud, and i was begged by scotland yard not to give money or winning numbers to muslim countires to protect UK and USA. Today I honestly ask the winner to forget his court matter, instead to share with other winners and soon wtih my help he will have what he thinks should be his.  I am offering some numbers for the mega millions on friday the 16th march, positvely one should win the entire jackpot or nothing less than multiple times 3+PB, if played megaplier you amount of winning is multiplied.  the numbers need to be played in a system game and again each game has to be allocated a PB from the set of 7 numbers.  This is just one set of 7 numbers, To be dead certain of winning the megamillions for cetain a lot of sets are needed, or just this one mentioned may be needed.

                              the numbers are 9-11-16-27-30-40-56, this will result in 21 blocks of 5 numbers, again each block of the 21 will repeat with PB.

                              example one of the 21 blocks is 9-11-16-27-30, now this block will attack further with the same 5 numbers, but with 9, then 11, then 16, then 27 and 30 as PB hence finally since 56 cannot be PB when played the entire set of around 105 blocks on megaplier all players will have to be payed a million dollars each for 5 correct or less but certainly every person can count on 3+PB the least for certain. or the Jackpot, including the other divisions. Now there are over 250 million people in USA will mega millions pay million to  all 5 correct players, as they dont believe kaitas6 on skype can predict any lottery in the world inclusive keno.  if 10000 players got 5 correct or 4+PB on mega plier that works to 30,000 X10,000 dollars= 300million dollars.  will the FBI meet me in Auckland, New Zealand, as I am no more in DK.(Denmark)