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JAP69's avatar - alas
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Posted: September 2, 2013, 10:03 pm - IP Logged

The way I understand it the fireball number must match the losing digit on your selected number

Player selection 253

lottery winning number 153

The fireball number must be a 2 for the player to win.

You match two of the three lottery winning digits either exact or box depending on the wager. Whatever your losing digit is must match the fireball number.

I thought the fireball number whatever it is would replace whatever your losing digit is.

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The three above post I made on the fireball game need to be ignored.

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    Posted: September 3, 2013, 1:41 am - IP Logged

    Oh really, my mistake. Your account ID says new member, Sept 1, 2013. In general, you aren't supposed to make more than one account on LP. What was your old ID?

    As for AoN, you say my 56% number is incorrect and should be 51%, so could you then show me your math, and compare that to the graph in the link in my post above?

    For the IL Pick3 plus Fireball, the basic odds should look something like this:

    ILPick 3 plus Fireball (Str)$2 
    Total ReturnPrizesOdds 1 inMatch
    62.50%$500 2,000Fireball 3
    50.03%$500 2,000Fireball 2
    37.54%$500 2,000Fireball 1
    25.04%$500 1,000Straight
    _Overall:400.00_
    ILPick 3 plus Fireball (Box3)$2 
    Total ReturnPrizesOdds 1 inMatch
    60.00%$160 667Fireball 3
    48.07%$160 667Fireball 2
    36.11%$160 667Fireball 1
    24.11%$160 3333-Way Box
    _Overall:133.33_
    ILPick 3 plus Fireball (Box6)$2 
    Total ReturnPrizesOdds 1 inMatch
    60.00%$80 333Fireball 3
    48.14%$80 333Fireball 2
    36.22%$80 333Fireball 1
    24.22%$80 1676-Way Box
    _Overall:66.67_

    I don't understand how you can get a 51% return on the Fireball matching 2 digits because it's only 1 chance out of 20. Did you include the odds against matching 2 digits with the odds against the Fireball being your missing digit?

    According to the odds chart on the Illinois site, the best they can get is 15:1000 by playing Front pair or Back pair. If a player wins on a straight double, they when the Fireball twice if it matches their double digit. Winning on a triple using Fireball gives the player four straight matches. Play a quad in the pick-4, hit it and matching the Fireball is five straight wins. $12,500 ain't bad for $1 bet.

    Before quitting your day job, the odds against doing that are 300,000 to 1.

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      Posted: September 3, 2013, 2:13 am - IP Logged

      we need this in pa ...im always off by one maybe i'll hit more often

      I Agree! wish we had it here, but i can still PLAY it there, it's gonna be FUN!Dance

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        Posted: September 3, 2013, 8:46 am - IP Logged

        I don't understand how you can get a 51% return on the Fireball matching 2 digits because it's only 1 chance out of 20. Did you include the odds against matching 2 digits with the odds against the Fireball being your missing digit?

        According to the odds chart on the Illinois site, the best they can get is 15:1000 by playing Front pair or Back pair. If a player wins on a straight double, they when the Fireball twice if it matches their double digit. Winning on a triple using Fireball gives the player four straight matches. Play a quad in the pick-4, hit it and matching the Fireball is five straight wins. $12,500 ain't bad for $1 bet.

        Before quitting your day job, the odds against doing that are 300,000 to 1.

        I don't see the 51% you're referring to. And I didn't even look at pairs, only Pick 3 plus Fireball Str and Box which has 62.5% and 60% return respectively.

        But as for the pick 4 quad, yeah, they make a point to advertise that in the video, "you can win $25,000!" But the chances of that are pretty slim.

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          Posted: September 3, 2013, 10:10 am - IP Logged

          It seems people are equally divided whether this is a rip off or not. Well the answer is both depends on who gets the fire ball. If I played 1111 and add fireball for $1 and if fireball is 1 well l walk away with $25,000 then I will say what a genius idea but if I play extra dollar and get a blank then I be screeming show me the money - show me the money- so to say it all depends on who wins with the fireball. And that cute lady in the illinios sales video I think she is a firehead she makes me feel good like a winner already am taking her to vegas after l win my $25,000 for a real week of real fireBALL. Lol

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            Posted: September 3, 2013, 10:23 am - IP Logged

            All joke aside this idea will only benefit big players like me. I play $25 per draw easily and adding extra $25 for a chance to double up or triple up is really worth it. Instead of me winning my lousy $500 I may now win $1000 extra if I have a double 7 like l always do and the fireball is lucky 7 well I may win $500 times 3 = $1500 not bad and I could use that to play my 1111 with fireball for a month and win my $25,000 and take that cute lottery chic to ceaser palace vegas for real fireball sounds awesome. Lol

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              Posted: September 4, 2013, 11:15 am - IP Logged

              wow i hope liljimy add that feature down here .

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                Posted: September 4, 2013, 4:51 pm - IP Logged

                well if you played 730 str  and it comes up you get 500. and if you add fireball and you win you get 1000. now you gotta go to the lottery office to get paid and they take taxes out you get maybe 750.

                now if you play 730 str on 2 tickets you win 1000.00 no tax

                i want to be a millionaire a second time!

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                  Fireball is a joke.   Illinois Lottery has become a massive joke trying to milk all their customers for nearly a thousand dollars this year in new twists and add on's to their standard game.

                  Thankfully they annoyed me enough I've stopped playing everything but Powerball and MegaMillions.   

                  I do however follow what happens as I'm wondering how much I've saved in the seven weeks since stopping play.   Of course my numbers never did hit during that time so it's been a big win for me.   That said if you use this new Fireball and you're a regular dollar player you need to hit the Pick 4 eight times this year just to remain afloat and let's be honest when is the last time you've done that.    Granted if you hit a straight jackpot you're well ahead of the game but this Fireball is a joke since there's as many non numbers as there are numbers in the hopper. 

                  The last two days the Pick 4 has been a blue ball and since this started like five days ago only three of the drawings for the Pick 4 were not blue balls.

                  This is a horrible idea and laughable at best.

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                    Posted: September 4, 2013, 6:54 pm - IP Logged

                    well if you played 730 str  and it comes up you get 500. and if you add fireball and you win you get 1000. now you gotta go to the lottery office to get paid and they take taxes out you get maybe 750.

                    now if you play 730 str on 2 tickets you win 1000.00 no tax

                    for one there is no such thing as $250 on tax on a $1000 winning ticket have won $700 b4 on one ticket tax was $36 and have won $5000 b4 tax was like $200 . so they do not take alot of tax like you think.  fireball has got nothing to do with you buying two tickets you can do that and still loss where you could have with fireball. for example you play 730 twice and the winning number is 735 and the fireball is 5. Now guess what your two tickets is worthless but under this case with fireball you win only $500 and no tax. So dont worry about the tax if you want money you love tax too and get use to it. i have won many times b4 with no tax liabilities because my 20 tickets was less than $500 each and i have won $5000 with tax. Guess what i had more fun with paying tax than i did without .i had to stop at 20 different stores to cash each ticket because most store will do only one ticket and since am getting one ticket at a time i was spending at a faster rate like the money is endless b4 you know it you buying every scratch of ticket that is screeming at you buy me you have the money cheap guy. But with tax you get one check and its done you don't have to go to lottery office you can send it in thru mail two day piority i had one of my girl friends mail in one onetime and she got paid am that generous to my women lol. Every state is different in processing in missouri they will give you two seperate checks of $600 each because you have two seprate winning numbers. so don't jump into conclussion you have to pay tax first call the lottery office to verify if they will break your ticket since it is a multi win and if that is the case then zero tax. personally i don't like tax but for extra $1 and a little tax i don't really mind just show me the money if tax doesn't  get you here it will get you there.

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                      Posted: September 5, 2013, 12:51 am - IP Logged

                      Here are actual results from a live drawing:

                      Midday Wed Sep 4

                      202  FB  8

                      Wininng Plus Fireball Combinations

                      802 

                      282

                      208

                      And this is from the Payouts on the Results page:

                      Wednesday, September 4, 2013

                      All prize amounts based on a wager of $1.

                       Match  Prize Amount 
                      Straight$500
                      Box (6-way)$80
                      Straight + Box (6-way) - Straight match$290
                      Straight + Box (6-way) - Box match$40
                      Pair$50

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                        Fireball is a joke.   Illinois Lottery has become a massive joke trying to milk all their customers for nearly a thousand dollars this year in new twists and add on's to their standard game.

                        Thankfully they annoyed me enough I've stopped playing everything but Powerball and MegaMillions.   

                        I do however follow what happens as I'm wondering how much I've saved in the seven weeks since stopping play.   Of course my numbers never did hit during that time so it's been a big win for me.   That said if you use this new Fireball and you're a regular dollar player you need to hit the Pick 4 eight times this year just to remain afloat and let's be honest when is the last time you've done that.    Granted if you hit a straight jackpot you're well ahead of the game but this Fireball is a joke since there's as many non numbers as there are numbers in the hopper. 

                        The last two days the Pick 4 has been a blue ball and since this started like five days ago only three of the drawings for the Pick 4 were not blue balls.

                        This is a horrible idea and laughable at best.

                        Playing IL Pick 3/4 plus Fireball actually gives higher payout that standard pick 3/4.

                        With Pick 4 plus Fireball, it pays out 58.3% for Straight and 56% for Box. That's higher than the standard Pick 4 payout of 50% for straight and 48% for box.

                        The Pick 4 Fireball ratio means it comes out 1 in 3 draws. So far there have been 3 Fireballs in 8 draws, that's a little better than expected, but the results will vary over time. The extra blank balls are required to offset the extra chances to win provided by Fireball: you get up to 5 chances to win when a fireball is drawn, depending on the type of number you picked, like the example below:

                        Overall odds for Pick 4 plus Fireball straight is 1 in 4286.

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                          Playing IL Pick 3/4 plus Fireball actually gives higher payout that standard pick 3/4.

                          With Pick 4 plus Fireball, it pays out 58.3% for Straight and 56% for Box. That's higher than the standard Pick 4 payout of 50% for straight and 48% for box.

                          The Pick 4 Fireball ratio means it comes out 1 in 3 draws. So far there have been 3 Fireballs in 8 draws, that's a little better than expected, but the results will vary over time. The extra blank balls are required to offset the extra chances to win provided by Fireball: you get up to 5 chances to win when a fireball is drawn, depending on the type of number you picked, like the example below:

                          Overall odds for Pick 4 plus Fireball straight is 1 in 4286.

                          The Fireball gives player more chances to win, but they must double the cost of play. A way to evaluate the Fireball option without doubling the cost of play is to compare it to the traditional back-up bet, $1 straight/$1 box. Any straight number has a 0.1% of winning and has a 2.7% chance of matching two digits. If a number doesn't hit straight, there is 0.5% chance of winning the box and $80. If you don't hit the number straight, but match two digits there is 5% of matching the Fireball and winning $500.

                          If your straight matches two digits on a back-up bet, you lose $2. If your straight matches two digits and use Fireball, there is still a 5% chance of winning $500. IMO comparing the bets, the trade off is the number of times you lose a back-up bet compared to the number of times you match two of the digits.

                          The My3 games combines three bets for the price of one so don't be surprised if someday a state lottery will allow any type of bet on their pick-3 games. Bet the sum, two digits in any position, one digit in the correct digit position, one digit in any position, all high/low, etc.

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                            The Fireball gives player more chances to win, but they must double the cost of play. A way to evaluate the Fireball option without doubling the cost of play is to compare it to the traditional back-up bet, $1 straight/$1 box. Any straight number has a 0.1% of winning and has a 2.7% chance of matching two digits. If a number doesn't hit straight, there is 0.5% chance of winning the box and $80. If you don't hit the number straight, but match two digits there is 5% of matching the Fireball and winning $500.

                            If your straight matches two digits on a back-up bet, you lose $2. If your straight matches two digits and use Fireball, there is still a 5% chance of winning $500. IMO comparing the bets, the trade off is the number of times you lose a back-up bet compared to the number of times you match two of the digits.

                            The My3 games combines three bets for the price of one so don't be surprised if someday a state lottery will allow any type of bet on their pick-3 games. Bet the sum, two digits in any position, one digit in the correct digit position, one digit in any position, all high/low, etc.

                            You could also compare with same cost of play:

                            Regular Pick 3 Str at $1 wager, will have a hit 1 in 1000 plays, for $500 prize. 50% return.

                            Pick 3 plus Fireball Str at 50c wager,($1 total) will have a hit 1 in 400 plays, for $250 prize, or $500 in 800 plays. 62.5% return.

                            The My 3 is an interesting game with 3 chances to win: Str, Box or Pair. It doesn't have as good a payout at just 50.8% return. But with overall odds as low as 1 in 30, it's can provide more player satisfaction with smaller wins than the other two games for the same buck.

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                              You could also compare with same cost of play:

                              Regular Pick 3 Str at $1 wager, will have a hit 1 in 1000 plays, for $500 prize. 50% return.

                              Pick 3 plus Fireball Str at 50c wager,($1 total) will have a hit 1 in 400 plays, for $250 prize, or $500 in 800 plays. 62.5% return.

                              The My 3 is an interesting game with 3 chances to win: Str, Box or Pair. It doesn't have as good a payout at just 50.8% return. But with overall odds as low as 1 in 30, it's can provide more player satisfaction with smaller wins than the other two games for the same buck.

                              I'll try an experiment on the ILL. predictions board by using ten lines with a 2if3 guarantee for the next 25 drawings and check the Fireball results.