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NJ casino alleges famous poker player cheated in $9.6M win

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Jon D's avatar - calotterylogo
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Posted: April 11, 2014, 11:43 pm - IP Logged

Another lousy excuse not to pay up. JUST PAY THE MAN.

He already got the money, now the casino wants it back! Green laugh

They're the ones that messed up. Let Phil have his money, and now they know better. Did he really commit a crime? A court will decide I guess.

$9.6 mil? Heck, that's chump change for them. Sheldon Adelson dumped $10M on a superpac trying to buy an election, so that's nothing to those guys.

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    Posted: April 11, 2014, 11:48 pm - IP Logged

    He already got the money, now the casino wants it back! Green laugh

    They're the ones that messed up. Let Phil have his money, and now they know better. Did he really commit a crime? A court will decide I guess.

    $9.6 mil? Heck, that's chump change for them. Sheldon Adelson dumped $10M on a superpac trying to buy an election, so that's nothing to those guys.

    Seems to me that the casinos are the criminals, when people lose they don't give them their money back.

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      Posted: April 11, 2014, 11:50 pm - IP Logged

      “One of the most closely-guarded secrets in the upper echelons of casino advantage (+) play is the practice of card sorting, known as “the turn” … The technique is predicated on the imperfections in the manufacturing process of casino playing cards.What? The backs of the cards, which generally contain some sort of repeating diamond or geometrical pattern, are often asymmetrical. If examined closely, it will be revealed that the top and bottom or right and left edges of the cards are not identical …

       

      I read a while, but got bored, and I dont really see the imperfections as they explain it.

      In the oceans eleven movie they got into the dice manufacturer, and they tampered with the dice.  Like the loaded dice in octopu$$y.  Malaysia must have James bond working for them. 

      If the manufacturer created a faulty card then the manufacturer could have a mole.

      P.S. You could never pull this off with my geico playing cards.

      Yeah, I love a good heist movie like Oceans Eleven, Now You See Me, or the classic The Sting.

      So, these asymmetric cards, maybe somebody knew about it. Not the casino owner of course, but somebody down lower like the guy that buys the cards for the casino. Maybe somebody wanted cards in play that could be edge sorted by some other player at a later date.

      Kinda like when you hear about problems with lottery draws, or defects in scratch cards that allowed someone an advantage or could to determine winners. I always wonder, maybe the defect was put there by someone on purpose... Hmmm... Wink

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        Posted: April 11, 2014, 11:53 pm - IP Logged

        Seems to me that the casinos are the criminals, when people lose they don't give them their money back.

        Never been to a casino in my lifetime, but it sounds like the casino ppl are sore loosers and they want their money back.Razz

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          If this becomes a drawn out court case- watch for it on HOBO starring Jesse Eisenberg.


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            Posted: April 12, 2014, 12:15 am - IP Logged

            Yeah, I love a good heist movie like Oceans Eleven, Now You See Me, or the classic The Sting.

            So, these asymmetric cards, maybe somebody knew about it. Not the casino owner of course, but somebody down lower like the guy that buys the cards for the casino. Maybe somebody wanted cards in play that could be edge sorted by some other player at a later date.

            Kinda like when you hear about problems with lottery draws, or defects in scratch cards that allowed someone an advantage or could to determine winners. I always wonder, maybe the defect was put there by someone on purpose... Hmmm... Wink

            Sam Rothstein would have known.

            The problem with heist movies is they dont have good understanding of physics. 

            There always seems to be a small asian guy who happens to defy gravity.

            I did take a look back at the article and I can see the defect now.

            It happens that the ◊ background was not uniformly bisected in all the templates.

            It was off by perhaps 6 pixels are so.

            In the Kevin Spacey movie, maybe that was something that wasn't mentioned, but they were also improvising with.

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              Posted: April 12, 2014, 12:39 am - IP Logged

              I don't get it.  Doesn't the casino supply the cards?  So, if there was a defect that he spotted and took advantage of, why is the casino suing him?  How about the dealer?  Did he/she get fired and being sued?  Is the card manufacturer being sued too?

              This sounds like a frivolous lawsuit.

              Casinos get cards and dice from different suppliers, the most common one in Vegas fopr a long time was Paulson.

              The dice had a reputation for being favorable to the players and the old time bosses called them "Passing Paulsons".

              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

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              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                Posted: April 12, 2014, 12:41 am - IP Logged

                Yeah, I love a good heist movie like Oceans Eleven, Now You See Me, or the classic The Sting.

                So, these asymmetric cards, maybe somebody knew about it. Not the casino owner of course, but somebody down lower like the guy that buys the cards for the casino. Maybe somebody wanted cards in play that could be edge sorted by some other player at a later date.

                Kinda like when you hear about problems with lottery draws, or defects in scratch cards that allowed someone an advantage or could to determine winners. I always wonder, maybe the defect was put there by someone on purpose... Hmmm... Wink

                Kinda like when you hear about problems with lottery draws, or defects in scratch cards that allowed someone an advantage or could to determine winners. I always wonder, maybe the defect was put there by someone on purpose... Hmmm... Wink

                Over the years I've read about the occasional mess up with lottery drawings that were missed by the auditors but instead of players taking advantages of them they usually notify the lotteries and complain about them, that's what happen when Tennessee computers didn't allow doubles in their pick3 and pick4 games.  One would have thought with 20% of the possible combinations eliminated that players have been playing more until it was discovered.

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  Posted: April 12, 2014, 7:10 am - IP Logged

                  The house allowed him to play knowing full well that his a seasoned player.It's quite possible that they had beaten him in the past- this time he came loaded for bear and walked away with millions.
                  If you don't like the competition- don't allow them in.Did he win those championships by cheating, if not its a matter of " spilt milk" by the house.

                  My thoughts,too. The house allowed him in the door knowing he was a strategic player/winner. They assumed they could take his money because the house is tilted to win. And when the house didnt win.. they cry defective cards-their OWN cards...

                  The winner beat them at their own game. Some casinos dont allow whales in because of their success rate....didnt this one know that ?

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                    Posted: April 12, 2014, 9:08 am - IP Logged

                    What is a baccarat?

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                      Baccarat is a card game where the players bet on bank, player, or tie.

                      In the blackjack pits there is uisually one or two 'mini' baccarat games........they look like 21 tables but the game layout is different.

                      "Big Bac" has its own pit and that's where a lot more money is bet.

                      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                      Lep

                      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                        Baccarat is a card game where the players bet on bank, player, or tie.

                        In the blackjack pits there is uisually one or two 'mini' baccarat games........they look like 21 tables but the game layout is different.

                        "Big Bac" has its own pit and that's where a lot more money is bet.

                        Thank you...now I know how it works.Smile

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                          "Ten measures of beauty descended to the world, nine were taken by Jerusalem." Talmud Kiddushin 49b. "The Gutenberg Bible"

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                            I found a graphic which details how the sting went down. Pretty slick there Phil! Yes Nod

                            http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/borgata-sues-phil-ivey-over-9-6-million-baccarat-win-589425/

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                              I found a graphic which details how the sting went down. Pretty slick there Phil! Yes Nod

                              http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/borgata-sues-phil-ivey-over-9-6-million-baccarat-win-589425/

                              I find it strange for a woman to be a banker, I guess it's possible.

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