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NJ casino alleges famous poker player cheated in $9.6M win

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Posted: April 12, 2014, 8:26 pm - IP Logged

I had to delete several posts. Please do not revisit the topics that I have deleted.

My apologies, Todd...I can see mine were deleted. I got a little carried away sometimes with all the information I keep up with. I'll keep it within the blogs from now on.

 

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    Posted: April 12, 2014, 8:29 pm - IP Logged

    I think he was tipped off about the cards and when he kept winning, the casino noticed this and let him continue to figure out how he did it. Thought they always changed dealers when their losing.

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      Posted: April 12, 2014, 8:35 pm - IP Logged

      "Ivey and an associate exploited a defect in cards.."

       

      really????...we could apply this to lottery playing whether cash3 or cash 4.The next time you run across a method that works in a backtest

      short or long term,try not to feel guilty about winning.

      Aren't we all here 'exploiting' or at least trying to find a flaw in a game with patterns,,lonest outs,TTT's date theories.etc..??..It was legal last time I knew.

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        "Ivey and an associate exploited a defect in cards.."

         

        really????...we could apply this to lottery playing whether cash3 or cash 4.The next time you run across a method that works in a backtest

        short or long term,try not to feel guilty about winning.

        Aren't we all here 'exploiting' or at least trying to find a flaw in a game with patterns,,lonest outs,TTT's date theories.etc..??..It was legal last time I knew.

        Well a good system can definately cause a matrix change, I would assume.

        But for me I am not really concerned about the winning. And I am not trying to exploit anything.  I am just trying to follow the zodiac and my lucky numbers.

        Really I am doing it for the kids.

        For their edumacation.

        Jester

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          Posted: April 12, 2014, 8:56 pm - IP Logged

          Isn't it odd that when the casinos are accused of cheating after emptying their clients bank account no one seems to care but when it happens to them they want to be portrayed as the victim.

          Sorry but I'm with Phil on this one.

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            Posted: April 12, 2014, 9:01 pm - IP Logged

            Isn't it odd that when the casinos are accused of cheating after emptying their clients bank account no one seems to care but when it happens to them they want to be portrayed as the victim.

            Sorry but I'm with Phil on this one.

            Sounds like a classic case of, "I can do it to you, but you can't do it to me." WTG Phil.  Thumbs Up

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              Posted: April 12, 2014, 9:19 pm - IP Logged

              I especially like the way he used the Chinese chick, and demanding a dealer speaking Mandarin.

              That was a key to finalizing the hustle, by getting the casino's own dealer to become an unwitting participant in the sting. And since they were talking to eachother in Mandarin, the pit boss and anyone watching from the eye in the sky would have a hard time catching what was going on...unless they spoke Mandarin too.

              "Ivey also made special arrangements, including having a private area, or pit, a casino dealer who spoke Mandarin Chinese, one eight-deck shoe of purple Gemaco playing cards to be used for each session of the play, and an automatic card shuffling device."

              I play baccarat at our local California card casinos occasionally, which means there are Chinese people jumping all over me. LOL So I can just picture that Cheng Yin Sun girl telling the dealer, maybe talking down to her, "hey, you turn card, bad luck for mr. Ivey. you turn now!" <in Mandarin of course>

              They could make a movie out of this.

              Phil Ivey is becoming a world class hustler. Another poker player owed Ivey $900,000 from a golfing bet, but refused to payoff saying Ivey lied about his golfing skills. LOL

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                Posted: April 12, 2014, 11:40 pm - IP Logged

                From the AP:

                A lawsuit filed in Britain's High Court by the Malaysia-based Genting Group, a major casino operator, makes a similar claim against Ivey.

                It alleges Ivey and an accomplice amassed almost $12 million by cheating at baccarat. In that case, Ivey has denied any misconduct.

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  Posted: April 13, 2014, 7:50 am - IP Logged

                  From the AP:

                  A lawsuit filed in Britain's High Court by the Malaysia-based Genting Group, a major casino operator, makes a similar claim against Ivey.

                  It alleges Ivey and an accomplice amassed almost $12 million by cheating at baccarat. In that case, Ivey has denied any misconduct.

                  Those sentences are in this news story.

                   

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                    Posted: April 13, 2014, 8:06 am - IP Logged

                    If Ivey won because of skill, luck, card counting, or reading the back of defective cards then he should win.  However, if he or his partner were marking cards, switching cards, or the DEALER WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE CHEAT then he should lose.  We don't know that yet.   What we "do know" is the posters on this thread are glad he stuck it to the casinos whether it was legal or not.  Thats not surprising considering human nature.  Don't pull against the casinos because they are rich or because you never could afford to go visit. 

                    These are not the kind of threads to post on before thinking or one winds up looking weak minded.   Stick to the threads entitled "Where is the first place you will visit after you win 100 million dollars?".   Thats in their wheel house unless pills & booze mess that up to hahaLOL 

                    Nice thread Todd keep them coming.

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                      Posted: April 13, 2014, 8:55 am - IP Logged

                      If Ivey won because of skill, luck, card counting, or reading the back of defective cards then he should win.  However, if he or his partner were marking cards, switching cards, or the DEALER WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE CHEAT then he should lose.  We don't know that yet.   What we "do know" is the posters on this thread are glad he stuck it to the casinos whether it was legal or not.  Thats not surprising considering human nature.  Don't pull against the casinos because they are rich or because you never could afford to go visit. 

                      These are not the kind of threads to post on before thinking or one winds up looking weak minded.   Stick to the threads entitled "Where is the first place you will visit after you win 100 million dollars?".   Thats in their wheel house unless pills & booze mess that up to hahaLOL 

                      Nice thread Todd keep them coming.

                      However, if he or his partner were marking cards, switching cards, or the DEALER WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE CHEAT then he should lose.

                      There was no mention of marking cards or switching cards, nor any implication of the dealer being complicit the operation. All reports indicate he never marked cards, and never even touched the cards. Please don't inject unsubstantiated claims into the topic or sully the reputation of the dealer who is by all accounts an innocent party. And also, please don't cast aspersions on the character of LP posters ad nauseam without knowing the facts of the case. Their comments were based on the published details of the incident. Let justice run its course before passing judgement.

                      These are not the kind of threads to post on before thinking or one winds up looking weak minded.

                      Agreed.

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                        Posted: April 13, 2014, 10:00 am - IP Logged

                        However, if he or his partner were marking cards, switching cards, or the DEALER WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH THE CHEAT then he should lose.

                        There was no mention of marking cards or switching cards, nor any implication of the dealer being complicit the operation. All reports indicate he never marked cards, and never even touched the cards. Please don't inject unsubstantiated claims into the topic or sully the reputation of the dealer who is by all accounts an innocent party. And also, please don't cast aspersions on the character of LP posters ad nauseam without knowing the facts of the case. Their comments were based on the published details of the incident. Let justice run its course before passing judgement.

                        These are not the kind of threads to post on before thinking or one winds up looking weak minded.

                        Agreed.

                        Look geek i already said we have to wait till trial to find out all the facts so your babble is useless.  You and others are biased against the casinos for obvious reasons not to mention "weak minded" for taking a few articles as containing all the facts.  No wonder direct marketing works.

                        Now im going to the pool today to talk to some bikini's and you make sure to watch harry potter for the 1000th time with the rest of the boys ok.LOL

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                          Look geek i already said we have to wait till trial to find out all the facts so your babble is useless.  You and others are biased against the casinos for obvious reasons not to mention "weak minded" for taking a few articles as containing all the facts.  No wonder direct marketing works.

                          Now im going to the pool today to talk to some bikini's and you make sure to watch harry potter for the 1000th time with the rest of the boys ok.LOL

                          Thumbs Down Sad. Why you feel the need to make such inflamatory, annoying, hateful and defamatory posts is beyond me. Have fun "talking to bikini's" by the pool. But I would advise you that the girls seeing you do that might think you're a psycho, talking to an article of clothing rather than to a person. Green laugh

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                            The thread reads " Alleges"- meaning the Casino assumes thst Ivey got away with their money " this way".
                            What l find curious is the fact that casino's are crawling with security cameras, why is it then that when  Ivey continued winning they did they not " suspect" that something was going on?
                            Was it a case that the guy is a "World Champion in Poker"-his just got himself a hot hand today so let him play till he burns himself out, he eventually will empty his pockets back into our casino?
                            The casino also alleges that Ivey " exploited" the defect in the cards as well, was Ivey supposed to tell the dealer " you have defect cards here bud, l wanna beat you guys fair & square? "

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                              The thread reads " Alleges"- meaning the Casino assumes thst Ivey got away with their money " this way".
                              What l find curious is the fact that casino's are crawling with security cameras, why is it then that when  Ivey continued winning they did they not " suspect" that something was going on?
                              Was it a case that the guy is a "World Champion in Poker"-his just got himself a hot hand today so let him play till he burns himself out, he eventually will empty his pockets back into our casino?
                              The casino also alleges that Ivey " exploited" the defect in the cards as well, was Ivey supposed to tell the dealer " you have defect cards here bud, l wanna beat you guys fair & square? "

                              Right.

                              The technique gave him an unfair advantage on four occasions between April and October 2012, the casino asserted in its lawsuit.

                              So one of the top gamblers in the world comes into your house and walks away with a few million profit 4 times in a row on a game and nobody takes notice? Well, I guess on the last time they did take notice, but it was too little too late.

                              The milk has already been spilt. The horse has left the barn. Sorry.