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MUSL employee arrested in Hot Lotto jackpot mystery

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Posted: January 16, 2015, 6:03 am - IP Logged

Ok states do something more. Director of Information Security, sounds like a big position or is it? He played the lottery

and wasn't supposed to play, he must've known taking the job that was one of the no-no's. Anyway the things he did

to hide the identity of who actually won and to collect the winnings are worse than playing. Someone said 'insider info'

....quite possible and yes, it does raise flags, doesn't it? What actually do the inside people know? I'd like to know how

long he was employed there.

Soooo, why not crack down on the little scum? The retailers and clerks who can't wait to watch players playing and swoop

in with their own 'insider info' and take the next ticket in a string of 10 losers? I've seen references on the instants forum

about many people witnessing clerks/owners playing themselves...read complaints about the clerk/owner buying up the

next ticket after a player has played quite a few and lost. I've seen clerks awfully interested in whether you 'won

anything or not'. Their insider info is knowing who is playing what, what they cashed, what the person won or lost and

which ticket to stay away from...I've seen employees on shift visit the IVM and play during working hours...they also

run the terminal and payout the winners AND in some cases, stock the machine.

MAKE THIS PRACTICE ILLEGAL WHILE ON SHIFT. IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PAYING, RESTOCKING,

CHECKING OR IS IN A POSITION TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE BUYING DO NOT ALLOW THEM TO PLAY

WHILE ON SHIFT.

Their job might be counter clerk or cashier or office person BUT IF THEY TOUCH THE TICKETS THEY SHOULD NOT

BE ALLOWED TO PLAY THE TICKETS WHILE ON SHIFT. The tickets are there for the uninformed general public who

do not have a job in the store where they are purchasing lottery. I've been told by the lottery commission that an

employee playing during shift, handling winners and losers and stocking the machine has a right to play too.

Where is the justice in that train of thought? When you fill in a claim form there is a box - a couple of them - that

specifically ask: ARE YOU A RETAILER OR IS A FAMILY MEMBER A RETAILER?? Or DO YOU OR A FAMILY MEMBER WORK

FOR A LOTTERY RETAILER??

The answer for anyone behind the counter is YES. So as far as claims go, they shouldn't be allowed to be made by

employees and as far as I'm concerned, they shouldn't even be allowed to play or collect while on shift..whether it's

$50 or $50k.

Let's go states....keep the laws applicable to everyone, not just the bigger claims.

There is no law against buying a scratch off after someone bought 20 losers. As long as the employee is the legal age.

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    Posted: January 16, 2015, 6:17 am - IP Logged

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      Posted: January 16, 2015, 6:51 am - IP Logged

      This thug worked as the Director of Information Security for MUSL and happened to buy the jackpot winning ticket for a computerized draw game Hot Lotto Blue Thinking

      That money's gone fo ever

        Bondi Junction
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        Posted: January 16, 2015, 7:01 am - IP Logged

        As a lottery employee of the state lottery he is prohibited from participating in the lottery. However, why didn't he subscribe to another state lottery.

        We all get a lot out of lotteries!

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          Posted: January 16, 2015, 7:08 am - IP Logged

          Wow I remb this story. I was thinking someone got scammed or maybe even got murdered over the winning ticket and the murder was like trying to claim it somehow....

          Nope! It's a darn cheating lottery employee!


          I have been whining for years about the state lotteries winning it's own jackpots! All thanks to a ignoramus  not claiming in time the jackpot with there winning ticket!

          I have to say on the crux of the matter, the lotteries should have to put ever single dollar back into the hot lotto jackpot, even after all these years have gone bye.. This is just so many levels of wrong.....

          Lottery does not have right to (win) it's own jackpot, even more so if it's thanks to a lottery employee playing and costing us the players the rightful shot at winning a jackpot we built with our money by playing there game!

          This now means in future if any employee wins, they can claim : Will sense it was a lottery employee, sorry folks, no winner, we keep all jackpot money!

          Just like they can't have any lottery employees playing and winning there own jackpot lottery game, We can't we  then have the lotteries saying Will, sense the employee can't win and he has the winning ticket, that means we the states lotteries won our own jackpot! We keeping all money, no player will ever get this money.

          I think it's a stupid rule to have all unclaimed jackpot's go back to states as it is, 99%  of the time it's thanks to idiot player not claiming in time, HOWEVER a lottery employees costing rest the players the jackpot prize is a immoral outrage of all outrages.

          This unclaimed jackpot prize pool money should go back into the next jackpot run for this game, even if it's been a lot of years!
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          This is what ethical issue looks like if I ever seen one, for instant. What's stopping more lottery employees playing and then having lotteries win there own jackpot ever again, all thanks to a employee winning, this is a issue of honorable principles to how you run a lottery. The players have a righteous claim to that jackpot!
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          I don't think lottery ceo's will correct this unjust and unethical lost of a jackpot sadly..... The players will be forever wronged by the lottery insane rules of lotteries winning there own jackpot by default that a lottery employee played and won.

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            Posted: January 16, 2015, 7:25 am - IP Logged

            He should look on the bright side, as he is now no longer an. employee of the Iowa Lottery, he will be free to play.

             

             

            "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life

             

            LOL!

            We all get a lot out of lotteries!

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              Posted: January 16, 2015, 8:10 am - IP Logged

              My freakin question is why is no one on this forum questioning what did he know to make him be able to win? If he works in security what da shell do they know that can produce a jackpot win? Are they telling me they know the winning numbers before they win?? Wtf? If so they need to be shutdown for fraud!!!!!

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                Posted: January 16, 2015, 8:39 am - IP Logged

                My freakin question is why is no one on this forum questioning what did he know to make him be able to win? If he works in security what da shell do they know that can produce a jackpot win? Are they telling me they know the winning numbers before they win?? Wtf? If so they need to be shutdown for fraud!!!!!

                RNGs aka computerized drawings just cannot be trusted

                That money's gone fo ever

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                  Posted: January 16, 2015, 9:24 am - IP Logged

                  If I were the winner of the next jackpot, I would be seeking a lawyer.  Better Call Saul!

                   

                  The next winner was Larry Dawson, also of Iowa.  He must be aware of the outcome.

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                    Posted: January 16, 2015, 9:25 am - IP Logged

                    Thanks for the updates.

                    Coffee

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                      Posted: January 16, 2015, 10:07 am - IP Logged

                      There is no law against buying a scratch off after someone bought 20 losers. As long as the employee is the legal age.

                      If the lottery is going to watchdog employees and family members by requiring a box be checked stating the

                      claimant is not one of those described, then they need to extend the watchful eye and include employees that

                      handle or are privy - in the know - to information that gives them an ADVANTAGE. It's the same game, no?

                      Just because it's a reportable amount doesn't make the rule null and void if it's less than that. An employee

                      or family member remains the same no matter what the amount. My BEEF is with workers PLAYING WHILE

                      AT WORK. I don't give a rats behind what they do when they're off.

                      246 ~~ 485 ~~ 369 ~~ 890 ~~ 705 ~~ 357 ~~ 129 ~~ 165 ~  007 ~ 225 ~ 818 ~ 440 ~  7775 5557

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                        Posted: January 16, 2015, 11:42 am - IP Logged

                        Wow...That really says a lot about the lottery.  Maybe it isn't so random after all.

                        Trump 2016!

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                          Posted: January 16, 2015, 12:07 pm - IP Logged

                          What if he knew where and around what time the winning ticket would be produced by the lottery machine? What if this is one of the reasons they are not allowed to play? Food for thought...

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                            What if he knew where and around what time the winning ticket would be produced by the lottery machine? What if this is one of the reasons they are not allowed to play? Food for thought...

                            If he was that psychic then he could make more money elsewhere.

                            The numbers aren't selected by the lottery until all terminals are closed. So how on earth could he possibly know which numbers to choose BEFORE the drawing?

                            This is just a case of luck hitting the wrong person. He has probably bought tickets unbeknown to MUSL for years.

                            If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
                            If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

                            2016: -48.28% (13 tickets) ||
                            P&L % = Total Win($)/Total Wager($) - 1

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                              Posted: January 16, 2015, 12:27 pm - IP Logged

                              The guy must have bought a quick pick or selected his own numbers THEN went to work and rigged the RNG to put out his numbers. Or he rigged the RNG machine to put out a specific combo for the upcoming draw THEN went out and bought that combo.

                              That money's gone fo ever