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Posted: April 13, 2015, 11:19 am - IP Logged

UH OH!

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    Posted: April 13, 2015, 11:21 am - IP Logged

    Look at the link I posted in the first paragraph, which leads to the Petition for True Lottery Drawings.

    I wrote the text on that page 12 years ago.

    The second bullet point describing why computerized drawings are bad is:

    • Computer hacking is a term that has entered the daily lexicon because of its prevalence within every aspect of computers.  Hackers can produce code that goes undetected for long periods of time, and causes unseen problems.  Why do the state lotteries think that they are immune from hacking, when some of the most secure computers in the world have been hacked into?  Worse, a state employee "on the take" could insert malicious computer code into the drawing process that could specify the exact numbers that are drawn.  A crafty programmer could keep this secret for a long time.

    Anyone who laughed off that point (and the others) can now watch and learn, as it has probably now taken place (according to prosecutors).

    I Agree! 

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      Posted: April 13, 2015, 11:22 am - IP Logged

      I knew it!Smash

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        Posted: April 13, 2015, 11:28 am - IP Logged

        Singing a different tune.....How unsurprising.

        This is about Computerized Drawings- Open your eyes & expand your brain.  MM &PB use the balls or can't you tell the difference?

        Why am l not surprised. 

        People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it- George Bernard Shaw.

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          Posted: April 13, 2015, 11:32 am - IP Logged

          Look at the link I posted in the first paragraph, which leads to the Petition for True Lottery Drawings.

          I wrote the text on that page 12 years ago.

          The second bullet point describing why computerized drawings are bad is:

          • Computer hacking is a term that has entered the daily lexicon because of its prevalence within every aspect of computers.  Hackers can produce code that goes undetected for long periods of time, and causes unseen problems.  Why do the state lotteries think that they are immune from hacking, when some of the most secure computers in the world have been hacked into?  Worse, a state employee "on the take" could insert malicious computer code into the drawing process that could specify the exact numbers that are drawn.  A crafty programmer could keep this secret for a long time.

          Anyone who laughed off that point (and the others) can now watch and learn, as it has probably now taken place (according to prosecutors).

          Todd,

           

          Is Lucky for Life and or Cash 4 Life both RNG or ball games???

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            Posted: April 13, 2015, 11:35 am - IP Logged

            Todd,

             

            Is Lucky for Life and or Cash 4 Life both RNG or ball games???

            The information can be found in two places:

            1. Go to the Results menu above and click "State Lottery Report Card".  That shows each state's games and whether they are computerized or not.
            2. Go to the lottery results page for any state and click the game's logo on the left side.  That brings up the Game Information page, which includes the type of drawings used in the game.

             

            Check the State Lottery Report Card
            What grade did your lottery earn?

             

            Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
            Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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              Posted: April 13, 2015, 11:36 am - IP Logged

              I always said they should put jackpot money if not claimed, back into next draw possible.

              It's good thing lottery stopped this guy and crew form claiming the jackpot. but that money belongs to players who built that jackpot and give them a other chance at it.

               as for "employee might have"

              am with the facts of this case.

              This guy has access to comp network running the show.

              This guy played and WON.  beating millions to 1 odds.......

              and was barred form ever playing...............

               

              Ya if lottery tells me  there great wall of china level  security in place can prevent all attacks...

              they must think where all really that dumb.

              No jury member with basic level of critical thinking, will be fooled by hes defence that he was "lucky"  and at same time had access to comp that ran the whole thing, and he was not to ever play, but on this date, HE PLAYED & WON.

              And did hes best to cover up who he was and wanted others to claim it on hes behalf.

               

              So lottery people just admit it, your game has flaws and a bad apple found the flaw, mistakes happen, it's a human thing, just admit to it. plz just don't play us for fools.

               

              #Lotterygothacked

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                Posted: April 13, 2015, 11:44 am - IP Logged

                Ugh, after this mess they should go to ball drawings. Mad

                Actually, Indiana actually did that for their Daily 3 and Daily 4 games back in 2013.  (Three cheers to Indiana!)  They switched from computerized drawings back to real ball drawings, hired a television personality, etc.  Very good move!

                Computerized drawings is one area where advanced technology is NOT a good thing.  This is being spoken by a technologist (me).

                 

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                Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
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                  Posted: April 13, 2015, 12:03 pm - IP Logged

                  l wish California could bench their Fantasy 5 computerized drawings as well. Their spokesman loves to show  their " integrity videos" on how " This unit needs certain keys or whatever"/ Surveillance cameras in all areas to ensure that No one messes with or looks inside the computerized machine " unsupervised". Right.

                  People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it- George Bernard Shaw.

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                    Posted: April 13, 2015, 12:21 pm - IP Logged

                    I am surprised it took this long for one to finally surface. How many have went undetected? The laughable third party watching over things. How many of the computer glitches were overseen by 3rd parties that went on for months and only discovered by the players, and still denied after players complained. The Tennessee fiasco comes to mind right away quick. 

                    I seriously hope they find hard evidence of tampering that way the dismissal of computers in the lottery games is truly considered. And kudos to IN, I had no idea they did a reversal. That is awesome! It would be interesting to see if there sales went back up after that decision. I know that would influence my buying of tickets if that happened here in MO. As I have said before, the only place for a computer in the lottery is in the printing of your ticket, other than that, NOWHERE!

                    Computerized drawing have been a major source of debate on lottery post for years.

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                      Posted: April 13, 2015, 12:33 pm - IP Logged

                      The information can be found in two places:

                      1. Go to the Results menu above and click "State Lottery Report Card".  That shows each state's games and whether they are computerized or not.
                      2. Go to the lottery results page for any state and click the game's logo on the left side.  That brings up the Game Information page, which includes the type of drawings used in the game.

                      Phew!

                       

                      Relief...both Lucky for Life and Cash 4 Life are drawn with mechanical ball machine...so glad to have seen this on your website.  No to RNG!!

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                        Posted: April 13, 2015, 12:59 pm - IP Logged

                        They try to convince us that Hot Lotto draws are audited and yet this guy was able to work around that. I hope people boycott computerized games.

                        The challenges of maintaining integrity and auditing computerize randomizers brings to mind similar issues with computerized voting machines.

                        Lottery randomizer computer code is often closed-sourced, procedures not fully documented, lack of testing (there have been numerous documented problems with lottery computer randomizers in the past favoring some numbers over others; search forums here for details), and the fundamental problem, due to the complexity of randomizer programs, there's often no way to verify all possible operations such a program may perform...

                        That is to say, a computer program may do operation "X" 100,000 times perfectly, but then encounter some edge condition and do something totally unexpected. The glitch may never be noticed, or is after the fact (that's how some past rnd problems have been found), and/or some may quietly take advantage of the flaw to beat the game... That may not affect other players at all / maybe even help them, but other times, such as in this news story, hurt other players seeking to win the jackpot, who had near zero chance unless they too happen to choose the same numbers; splitting a jackpot with a cheat.

                        Powerball and Mega Millions use computer randomizers for the Powerplay and Megaplier numbers. I realize there's history behind why they do it that way, but still seems sketchy.

                        There's another issue to consider when it comes to the discussion of computerized randomizer verses balls - many lottery drawings themselves, even when actual balls are used, are often not televised / streamed in real-time. So how does one really know the drawing was the drawing?

                        It's something I always wonder with Pennsylvania Lottery day drawings. What's to say there weren't others / was fixed ... it's a mystery. I've talked with some players who refuse to play PA Lottery day drawings for that reason - they don't trust it; drawings seems sketchy.

                        Also, many lotteries don't make televised drawings available on-line ... so if the tv drawing isn't shown due to due a sporting event or special (frequent problem in PA), one will never see the drawing unless they search youtube, etc and hope someone else recorded it.

                        All in all, there's a lack of controls and auditing of lottery drawings in many lottery jurisdictions. Computer randomizers and lack of transparancy, including the actual drawings themselves. Sure balls are better, but are of little consequence if the drawing itself is questionable - was it performed live, delayed, altered? Often it's difficult to know for sure.

                        Rambling on, but hoping, as many others here are, that lotteries dial-back their usage of computer randomizers, plus make more of an effort to make live video of drawings widely available, including both television and streaming over the net.

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                          I know I'm done with hot lotto....thanks for helping me save money

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                            I think I'm gonna stop everything and just deal with the casino. I do have one last dream number which is 0404. I'll keep that in and pray they let it come out one day.

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                              I think I'm gonna stop everything and just deal with the casino. I do have one last dream number which is 0404. I'll keep that in and pray they let it come out one day.

                              Personally I think that's a bit extreme, but I don't blame you.  As long as the states keep using computers for their drawings, they are playing with fire.  Thank goodness there are still many games out there using real lottery drawings.  I hope events like this will keep them aware that switching to computers is too big of a risk.  The more events happen like this, the lower consumer confidence will be, and they will absolutely bleed revenue as a result.  It's not worth the risk.

                               

                              Check the State Lottery Report Card
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                              Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
                              Help eliminate computerized drawings!