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BOMBSHELL: MUSL employee might have rigged Hot Lotto computerized drawing

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Posted: April 14, 2015, 5:30 pm - IP Logged

Wow just wow! This is really messed up.

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    Posted: April 14, 2015, 5:33 pm - IP Logged

    Never trusted a game that was produced by a computer..

     MADDOGGI Agree!

    Machines can all be rigged. AMEN

    Additionally, anytime there is great chance @ a great amount of money available in all forms of speculation - then this creates great opportunities for scamming & scheming on both sides of the table.

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      Posted: April 14, 2015, 7:56 pm - IP Logged

      Now I know why I never won hot lotto! Wink

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        Posted: April 14, 2015, 8:47 pm - IP Logged

        I knew it!Smash

        I didn't!!

        I initially thought that someone who really wanted to live off the grid sold the ticket on the black market for a few million dollars. Then I thought someone who either wasn't eligible or thought they weren't elegible to claim was trying to claim through some legal entity.

        Didn't see this coming. My apologies. In thought many people on this broad were off base talking about conspiracies and rigged drawings.

        Bombshell indeed. I am stunned. Looking forward to the details coming out.

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          Posted: April 14, 2015, 8:52 pm - IP Logged

          From a completely unrelated angle, does anyone with a Lottery System have anyway to breakdown the Hot Lotto draws from back then and show that this particular draw was an anomaly and doesn't fit with the other draws? I'm naive when it comes to Lottery Systems and admittedly don't know much about how they work and what they can show. Do they even work with computer draws?

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            Posted: April 14, 2015, 9:56 pm - IP Logged

            i figured sooner or later there would be a story involving hacking computerized drawings. I have never been a fan of them and glad that Texas is a 100% ball machine drawings state.

            There was a case in Indiana a few years back where a security person got hold the distribution list for the scratch-off tickets and sent two of his buddies to buy the whole roll of tickets that had a million dollar winner.  He would have gotten away with it if his buddies hadn't got mad about how he split the winnings among them.  It make you think there had to be a time when every thing went well and were never detected.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: April 14, 2015, 10:04 pm - IP Logged

              From a completely unrelated angle, does anyone with a Lottery System have anyway to breakdown the Hot Lotto draws from back then and show that this particular draw was an anomaly and doesn't fit with the other draws? I'm naive when it comes to Lottery Systems and admittedly don't know much about how they work and what they can show. Do they even work with computer draws?

              I doubt it.  I remember a few years back when Tennessee first used a RNG in its number game, it was almost a month before anyone at the lottery headquarters noticed it wasn't generating any double or triples even thought some of the players were complaining.  This was just one drawing so even a combination like 1 2 3 4 5 would look normal.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                Posted: April 15, 2015, 12:32 am - IP Logged

                I sometimes feel that Powerball and Mega Millions are computerized as well because whose to say that the balls are not computer generated ahead of time?

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                  Posted: April 15, 2015, 1:08 am - IP Logged

                  I sometimes feel that Powerball and Mega Millions are computerized as well because whose to say that the balls are not computer generated ahead of time?

                  That would be a trick trying to predict which balls are going to roll down the chute of a live drawing of a ball machine.  I'm sure someone is working on software to do just that but a ball machine is as random and unpredictable as it gets.

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                    Posted: April 15, 2015, 10:22 am - IP Logged

                    When people lose faith in the integrity of the game, the game is over! In lottery, balls CAN'T be hacked! but computers can!

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                      Posted: April 15, 2015, 12:01 pm - IP Logged

                      I didn't!!

                      I initially thought that someone who really wanted to live off the grid sold the ticket on the black market for a few million dollars. Then I thought someone who either wasn't eligible or thought they weren't elegible to claim was trying to claim through some legal entity.

                      Didn't see this coming. My apologies. In thought many people on this broad were off base talking about conspiracies and rigged drawings.

                      Bombshell indeed. I am stunned. Looking forward to the details coming out.

                      Well at least you apologized.  :)  Many don't. 

                      I remember this story vividly, and I remember some people couldn't understand why the state wouldn't pay the New York lawyer trying to claim the ticket for his anonymous client.  A lot of people were saying "Pay it! Pay it!"

                      Here's the original news story from 3 years ago. Look at the first page of comments.  Before MY extensive comment near the bottom, only one other person even said there was something up.  Everybody else was slamming the Iowa Lotto Security chief for being too gung-ho.  Go read the comments.  Pure comedy now. ;)  Even on the 2nd page of comments, someone compared him to "Barney Fife".  Well, "Barney Fife" caught a crook. 

                      The state wouldn't pay the money because the mysterious lawyer wouldn't identify his client or tell how his client came into possession of the ticket.  They knew someone bought the ticket, they had video -- but the lawyer wouldn't say if his client was that person or even who his client was. 

                      Think about it...

                      When you have a NEW YORK lawyer trying to claim an IOWA lottery ticket for an anonymous client hiding behind a BELIZE TRUST, which was chartered in CANADA -- oh, and with only HOURS left until the deadline -- something doesn't smell right.

                       

                      The ticket was sent via FedEx to a Des Moines law firm and turned in at Iowa Lottery headquarters just hours before the deadline.

                      Steve Bogle, the vice president of security at the Iowa Lottery, says he needs to determine the chain of possession of that ticket.

                      "Start from where it came in here at the lottery headquarters and follow that ticket all the way back to the purchaser at the Quik Trip that day," Bogle says.

                      "I suspect that may take more than a couple of hours to corroborate that information."

                       

                      And for those who don't remember, even the video of the purchase (publicly released later) was shady:

                      Investigators want to learn the identity of a white man wearing a hooded sweatshirt who purchased the lottery ticket at a QuikTrip near Interstate Highway 80 on Dec. 23, 2010, said Dave Jobes, an Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation assistant director, during a news conference Thursday. The video released Thursday shows the purchase from two angles; however, a hood hides the man's face from viewers.

                       

                      You can see the store surveillance video here in HD, and there's audio with it -- so you can hear the man's voice.

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=28&v=ej2c5niBRN4

                      He should have gone to a store that didn't have such good security cams.  :)  But even then he wouldn't have been able to cash in on his scheme, thanks to the state lottery protocols.

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                        Posted: April 15, 2015, 3:30 pm - IP Logged

                        I think it is time for a ballot to be written up for WA Lottery to go back to ball system drawing.. So i would like to get this started and i have no idea where to start. The goal is to get this on the ballot for Nov election and see if this passes... It's time to get WA Lottery to get rid of the computerized drawings for good. So what you guys think about it? 

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                          Posted: April 15, 2015, 3:58 pm - IP Logged

                          When people lose faith in the integrity of the game, the game is over! In lottery, balls CAN'T be hacked! but computers can!

                          You're probably right for the lotto type games, but the pick-3 live ball drawing in PA was rigged several years ago. So far Tipton was not accused of rigging the drawing, but that could change.

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                            Well at least you apologized.  :)  Many don't. 

                            I remember this story vividly, and I remember some people couldn't understand why the state wouldn't pay the New York lawyer trying to claim the ticket for his anonymous client.  A lot of people were saying "Pay it! Pay it!"

                            Here's the original news story from 3 years ago. Look at the first page of comments.  Before MY extensive comment near the bottom, only one other person even said there was something up.  Everybody else was slamming the Iowa Lotto Security chief for being too gung-ho.  Go read the comments.  Pure comedy now. ;)  Even on the 2nd page of comments, someone compared him to "Barney Fife".  Well, "Barney Fife" caught a crook. 

                            The state wouldn't pay the money because the mysterious lawyer wouldn't identify his client or tell how his client came into possession of the ticket.  They knew someone bought the ticket, they had video -- but the lawyer wouldn't say if his client was that person or even who his client was. 

                            Think about it...

                            When you have a NEW YORK lawyer trying to claim an IOWA lottery ticket for an anonymous client hiding behind a BELIZE TRUST, which was chartered in CANADA -- oh, and with only HOURS left until the deadline -- something doesn't smell right.

                             

                            The ticket was sent via FedEx to a Des Moines law firm and turned in at Iowa Lottery headquarters just hours before the deadline.

                            Steve Bogle, the vice president of security at the Iowa Lottery, says he needs to determine the chain of possession of that ticket.

                            "Start from where it came in here at the lottery headquarters and follow that ticket all the way back to the purchaser at the Quik Trip that day," Bogle says.

                            "I suspect that may take more than a couple of hours to corroborate that information."

                             

                            And for those who don't remember, even the video of the purchase (publicly released later) was shady:

                            Investigators want to learn the identity of a white man wearing a hooded sweatshirt who purchased the lottery ticket at a QuikTrip near Interstate Highway 80 on Dec. 23, 2010, said Dave Jobes, an Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation assistant director, during a news conference Thursday. The video released Thursday shows the purchase from two angles; however, a hood hides the man's face from viewers.

                             

                            You can see the store surveillance video here in HD, and there's audio with it -- so you can hear the man's voice.

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=28&v=ej2c5niBRN4

                            He should have gone to a store that didn't have such good security cams.  :)  But even then he wouldn't have been able to cash in on his scheme, thanks to the state lottery protocols.

                            I remember that thread too and it didn't take Bogle several days to question Shaw. But the article said nothing about Iowa law requiring the person purchasing the ticket to come forward. The article was written to make Steve Bogle look like Barney Fife and the first response verifies it.

                            The people demanding "pay the man" are obviously not very lottery savvy and/or believe the lotteries have money trees.

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                              You're probably right for the lotto type games, but the pick-3 live ball drawing in PA was rigged several years ago. So far Tipton was not accused of rigging the drawing, but that could change.

                              That is true, but how often could they get by with having to do something to switched out ball sets verses the SAME computers that nobody ever gets to see the inside of or the program used? Real solid balls verses a code that could be laced with rootkits (with different multiple drawing dates that would only need to be accessed once, mind you) and disappearing code? hmmmmm wonder which one has more integrity? Wink

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