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BOMBSHELL: MUSL employee might have rigged Hot Lotto computerized drawing

Topic closed. 85 replies. Last post 2 years ago by RL-RANDOMLOGIC.

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Posted: April 15, 2015, 10:49 pm - IP Logged

So, will the money eventually go to the person or persons who won the next Hot Lotto big prize? Or will the states keep it?

Interesting.  The next winner was also from Iowa and he won within 6 months of the previous drawing. What is the time limit for claiming tickets in Iowa at that time?  Could the perp have been setting up a win again, just in case he got caught for the win in December, and, thinking the winnings would go to the next jackpot winner, made sure it would go to someone he knows?

I hope the authorities rule out any connection there.

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    Posted: April 16, 2015, 11:49 am - IP Logged

    That would be a trick trying to predict which balls are going to roll down the chute of a live drawing of a ball machine.  I'm sure someone is working on software to do just that but a ball machine is as random and unpredictable as it gets.

    Anything is possible these days.  Those balls juggling around could be just for looks.  Some other mechanism could be pushing the ball picks up to the surface.  Their weight could be changed,  so certain numbers could come up.  Just too many other ways to rig it.

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      Posted: April 17, 2015, 9:57 am - IP Logged

      What games aren't computerized anymore??  Is there a list ?

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        Posted: April 17, 2015, 10:59 am - IP Logged

        What games aren't computerized anymore??  Is there a list ?

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          Posted: April 17, 2015, 11:52 am - IP Logged

          If it was a program he used how did he buy a qp ticket and how did they recover the program that leaves no trace?

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            Posted: April 17, 2015, 12:37 pm - IP Logged

            I used to play this game fairly often back when it had a 5/39, 1/19 matrix. I recall thinking back then (2010-2012) that Iowa had more JP winners than any other state involved at that time. I tried to find info about where HL jackpots were won historically, but couldn't. If Iowa has indeed won the most HL jackpots it raises the question of has this type of fraud happened before?

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              Posted: April 17, 2015, 7:21 pm - IP Logged

              If it was a program he used how did he buy a qp ticket and how did they recover the program that leaves no trace?

              I've been trying to find an article that confirms that it was a QP. I think I read it somewhere, but I'm wondering if I'm just thinking that because the ticket was bought at a place called QuikTrip.

              Just because it's possible to manipulate the computer that draws the numbers doesn't mean it happened. Based on the info presented, it appears that the only chance he had to manipulate the computer was about 5 weeks before the drawing, so that means anything he did not only had to go undetected for the 5 weeks, but had to remain undetected afterwards. It also has to have been undetectable at the time lottery security decided there was a possibility of tampering and started to investigate.

              If the winning ticket was QP, then in addition to the tampering that allegedly happened on 11/20, he had to either force a lottery terminal to generate a QP with specific numbers, or he had to tamper with the drawing computer after he knew what the numbers on the QP were. The former may be technically possible, but I have a very hard time imaging how he'd make sure the terminal generated those numbers for the specific QP he bought. Other than being absolutely positive he purchased the only QP sold at a particular time, I'm figuring it would require magic rather than a technological fix.  If he didn't force that specific set of numbers on a QP, then he had to tamper with the drawing computer at a time when lottery security apparently doesn't think he tampered with it.

              At any rate, this isn't nearly as much about possible flaws with using computer RNGs to conduct drawings as it is about the failure of the lottery's security procedures. Imaging the hard drive as the first step of conducting a drawing would allow an investigation after the fact to determine if the contents of the hard drive had been manipulated in any way. The improper video recording could easily be detected automatically, and the modification itself should have been logged, and traceable to a specific machine, username and password. There could easily be multiple hard drives, with the one used for the drawing selected randomly, as is done with ball sets. Finally, there's the incredible lack of oversight that allows an employee to be in the computer room alone.


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                Posted: April 18, 2015, 12:45 am - IP Logged

                Never trusted a game that was produced by a computer..

                NEVER!  NEVER!  NEVER!  Participate in a game where a computer selects the numbers.  And NEVER believe those burucratic(?) jack-asses who run the games that claim the game is honest.  They are lying through their smiling teeth.  Big Smile

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                  Posted: April 18, 2015, 12:52 am - IP Logged

                  Look at the link I posted in the first paragraph, which leads to the Petition for True Lottery Drawings.

                  I wrote the text on that page 12 years ago.

                  The second bullet point describing why computerized drawings are bad is:

                  • Computer hacking is a term that has entered the daily lexicon because of its prevalence within every aspect of computers.  Hackers can produce code that goes undetected for long periods of time, and causes unseen problems.  Why do the state lotteries think that they are immune from hacking, when some of the most secure computers in the world have been hacked into?  Worse, a state employee "on the take" could insert malicious computer code into the drawing process that could specify the exact numbers that are drawn.  A crafty programmer could keep this secret for a long time.

                  Anyone who laughed off that point (and the others) can now watch and learn, as it has probably now taken place (according to prosecutors).

                  I've checked it out and saw before the computerized drawings started there were many more 2nd prize Lotto winners of $1000 than there are now. Sometimes more than double the winners than they have now since they started using the computer to pick the numbers. It was more random. Now they know instantly what numbers have been issued on all the tickets bought and then they can choose to payout the least amount. In other words the Lottery has control in the outcome of winning tickets.

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                    Posted: April 18, 2015, 12:43 pm - IP Logged

                    If it was a program he used how did he buy a qp ticket and how did they recover the program that leaves no trace?

                    He did NOT buy a quick pick ticket.  If you actually look at the convenience store security video, he handed the clerk a play slip with the numbers on it.

                    No news story ever said "quick pick".  They said the ticket was bought at Quik Trip.

                    He knew the numbers because he programmed the numbers in for the computer to pick in that drawing.

                    Investigators did not recover a program self-destructs and leaves no trace, but they have testimony he bragged about having such a program and they have evidence he altered the cameras in the room with the computers to only record one second per minute (useless) instead of every second (continuous recording).   And very suspiciously, those cameras only did that when he was in the room that one time -- just prior to the drawing --  supposedly to "change the time" on the computers.  Right...

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                      Posted: April 19, 2015, 10:17 am - IP Logged

                      I just wonder how many times it's been done and gotten away with. 



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