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Raven62's avatar - binary
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Posted: July 5, 2016, 5:15 pm - IP Logged

The world has changed a bit since the 1600 and 1700's.

What goes around comes around: Open Borders: Migrants Pouring In: It's Just a Matter of Time: Goodbye Country!

A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

    sully16's avatar - sharan
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    I understand the value of the dollar and the value of the vital programs that the crazy Christian Taliban love to cut. I'm not gonna complain about my life, but I'm not spoiled. Without the SOCIALIST program called emergency rooms i would not be alive.Without the "extreme" socialism of Social Security and Medicare, my grandparents can't afford to feed themselves or pay for their medical needs. Capitalism and Socialism work best when there is a healthy balance and we have way too much Capitalism.   

    For starters, Emergency rooms are not a Socialist Program. You still owe the Doctors and Hospital, it is your responsibility to pay your bills.

    Second, if your Grandparents paid into Social Security and Medicare , they are entitled to it. they are not Socialist programs.

    Medicaid is however a Socialist program.

    Third, it would be a cold day in %^^$ that I would let a family member go hungry, I do not expect others to feed me or mine. Seems your family should be making sure grammy gets her snack.

    There is not such thing as a healthy balance of Socialism and Capitalism, Socialism does NOT work, eventually you run out of other peoples money.

    Socialism promotes lazy, people who don't want to work will sit on the couch waiting for others to feed them.

    Charity is great, but excessive forced taxation, causes people to stop producing.

    And if you didn't pay any of your medical bills, then you capitalized, actually you stole services, not okay to expect Doctors, Nurses, or any medical facility to work for free.

    Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

    For a lead role in a cage?

     

                                                From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

      Kingofearth's avatar - Kinnak
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      For starters, Emergency rooms are not a Socialist Program. You still owe the Doctors and Hospital, it is your responsibility to pay your bills.

      Second, if your Grandparents paid into Social Security and Medicare , they are entitled to it. they are not Socialist programs.

      Medicaid is however a Socialist program.

      Third, it would be a cold day in %^^$ that I would let a family member go hungry, I do not expect others to feed me or mine. Seems your family should be making sure grammy gets her snack.

      There is not such thing as a healthy balance of Socialism and Capitalism, Socialism does NOT work, eventually you run out of other peoples money.

      Socialism promotes lazy, people who don't want to work will sit on the couch waiting for others to feed them.

      Charity is great, but excessive forced taxation, causes people to stop producing.

      And if you didn't pay any of your medical bills, then you capitalized, actually you stole services, not okay to expect Doctors, Nurses, or any medical facility to work for free.

      ER's are not allowed to turn anyone away, that isn't capitalism. The minimum wage of a server is $2.15 (That's where tipping comes in), do you want the streets to be filled with starving people begging for food like in many parts of the world? Not everyone is a rich miser like you, work for $2,15 and see how long you'll survive without socialism coming to the rescue. Oh yes because Kim Kardashian and all the inherited wealth crowd totally worked hard for their money. Socialism believes that everyone deserves access to basic needs such as health care and food. Capitalism is the rich get everything and everyone else is as worthless as dirt. Top tax rate in the 1950's was 90%, stuff was produced then. Most countries have most medical care be totally free, America's health care system for the uninsured is on par with war torn west African countries or worse. Facts are facts.   

        Kingofearth's avatar - Kinnak
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        Posted: July 6, 2016, 1:04 am - IP Logged

        For starters, Emergency rooms are not a Socialist Program. You still owe the Doctors and Hospital, it is your responsibility to pay your bills.

        Second, if your Grandparents paid into Social Security and Medicare , they are entitled to it. they are not Socialist programs.

        Medicaid is however a Socialist program.

        Third, it would be a cold day in %^^$ that I would let a family member go hungry, I do not expect others to feed me or mine. Seems your family should be making sure grammy gets her snack.

        There is not such thing as a healthy balance of Socialism and Capitalism, Socialism does NOT work, eventually you run out of other peoples money.

        Socialism promotes lazy, people who don't want to work will sit on the couch waiting for others to feed them.

        Charity is great, but excessive forced taxation, causes people to stop producing.

        And if you didn't pay any of your medical bills, then you capitalized, actually you stole services, not okay to expect Doctors, Nurses, or any medical facility to work for free.

        And if you weren't alive and they needed support? You think a person should die off if they can't support themselves and have no one to support them? The right really has fallen off a cliff. 

          sully16's avatar - sharan
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          Posted: July 6, 2016, 10:22 am - IP Logged

          ER's are not allowed to turn anyone away, that isn't capitalism. The minimum wage of a server is $2.15 (That's where tipping comes in), do you want the streets to be filled with starving people begging for food like in many parts of the world? Not everyone is a rich miser like you, work for $2,15 and see how long you'll survive without socialism coming to the rescue. Oh yes because Kim Kardashian and all the inherited wealth crowd totally worked hard for their money. Socialism believes that everyone deserves access to basic needs such as health care and food. Capitalism is the rich get everything and everyone else is as worthless as dirt. Top tax rate in the 1950's was 90%, stuff was produced then. Most countries have most medical care be totally free, America's health care system for the uninsured is on par with war torn west African countries or worse. Facts are facts.   

          You are wrong, just because ER'S cannot turn people away doesn't mean it's free or even Socialism.

          Socialism, takes from those who work and gives to those who make bad choices, lack desire, lack ambition, lack education.

          Socialism punishes people for being successful. I don't know where you get your info, but our tax rate has never been at 90%. There would have been a revolt like non other.

          Medical is not free in other countries, like I said they take that money from working families. Those countries are either bankrupt or on the verge of it.

          I have been working since 1977, I live within my means and have been saving my money for my retirement.

          I will never look to other people to support me.

          Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

          For a lead role in a cage?

           

                                                      From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

            sully16's avatar - sharan
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            Posted: July 6, 2016, 10:24 am - IP Logged

            And if you weren't alive and they needed support? You think a person should die off if they can't support themselves and have no one to support them? The right really has fallen off a cliff. 

            See, I come from people who believe in looking to the future and making good choices.

            No one in my family needs to take from others.

            Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

            For a lead role in a cage?

             

                                                        From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

              sully16's avatar - sharan
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              Posted: July 6, 2016, 10:42 am - IP Logged

              In the Spirit of the Birthday of our Independence, I will give a brief statement on Capitalism.

              Let's take little Johnny, grew up wanting to be a professional Hockey Player.

              He worked very hard and practiced everyday, went to a College that promotes the sport.

              He became so good, that a NHL team, like the Detroit Red Wings drafted him.

              He proved to be a valuable member and was given a sweet contract, He is now a millionaire.

              Well, Johnny married his sweetheart, and is now starting a family.

              That means he is going to need a house, this is where rich people help out.

              See the home sale helped the sellers, helped the sales agent, helps the bank that needs to pay the staff.

              The house needs some work, plumbers, electricians, painters, carpenters, all make some of Johnny's money.

              But, Johnny still has lots of cash so he'll invest in a restaurant, that puts lots of people to work.

              Yes, now he needs a tax deduction, so he donates a big pile of cash to a Children's Hospital that helps cancer kids.

              Capitalism works every time, lots of people benefit.

              Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

              For a lead role in a cage?

               

                                                          From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

                Kingofearth's avatar - Kinnak
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                Posted: July 6, 2016, 11:44 am - IP Logged

                You are wrong, just because ER'S cannot turn people away doesn't mean it's free or even Socialism.

                Socialism, takes from those who work and gives to those who make bad choices, lack desire, lack ambition, lack education.

                Socialism punishes people for being successful. I don't know where you get your info, but our tax rate has never been at 90%. There would have been a revolt like non other.

                Medical is not free in other countries, like I said they take that money from working families. Those countries are either bankrupt or on the verge of it.

                I have been working since 1977, I live within my means and have been saving my money for my retirement.

                I will never look to other people to support me.

                Socialism takes from everyone and gives everyone what they need. How capitalistic is running a building that treats everyone regardless of their ability to pay? Our tax rate was 90% in the 1950's.The top tax rate of all American history was 94% during the height of WW2 but it didn't last long. LOOK IT UP.  Typical far-right loon, say a fact is wrong and just keeping saying it's wrong even though it's very clear that i'm right. And for those who can't support themselves? I don't want the us to become like Bangladesh. What's next, you gonna advocate we return to hunter-gathering?

                  Kingofearth's avatar - Kinnak
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                  Posted: July 6, 2016, 11:55 am - IP Logged

                  In the Spirit of the Birthday of our Independence, I will give a brief statement on Capitalism.

                  Let's take little Johnny, grew up wanting to be a professional Hockey Player.

                  He worked very hard and practiced everyday, went to a College that promotes the sport.

                  He became so good, that a NHL team, like the Detroit Red Wings drafted him.

                  He proved to be a valuable member and was given a sweet contract, He is now a millionaire.

                  Well, Johnny married his sweetheart, and is now starting a family.

                  That means he is going to need a house, this is where rich people help out.

                  See the home sale helped the sellers, helped the sales agent, helps the bank that needs to pay the staff.

                  The house needs some work, plumbers, electricians, painters, carpenters, all make some of Johnny's money.

                  But, Johnny still has lots of cash so he'll invest in a restaurant, that puts lots of people to work.

                  Yes, now he needs a tax deduction, so he donates a big pile of cash to a Children's Hospital that helps cancer kids.

                  Capitalism works every time, lots of people benefit.

                  You want capitalism, look at Somalia. THAT is unregulated and absolute Capitalism. What you posted is just nonsense fairy tales that never happen. Who insures that the plumbers,electricians, painters and carpenters are who they say they are? The Socialist concept of needing a certificate to do a job. Who insures they get their basic needs taken care of if they can't find enough work? Socialist welfare programs. Who makes sure that Johnny's restaurant obeys basic health codes, The Socialist government who takes everyone's tax dollars to pay for inspectors who will ensure he is compliant.  Iff the hospital can't get enough donations? It should close and send the sick children off to the streets? Capitalism is beneficial and necessary in conjunction with Socialism 

                    sully16's avatar - sharan
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                    You want capitalism, look at Somalia. THAT is unregulated and absolute Capitalism. What you posted is just nonsense fairy tales that never happen. Who insures that the plumbers,electricians, painters and carpenters are who they say they are? The Socialist concept of needing a certificate to do a job. Who insures they get their basic needs taken care of if they can't find enough work? Socialist welfare programs. Who makes sure that Johnny's restaurant obeys basic health codes, The Socialist government who takes everyone's tax dollars to pay for inspectors who will ensure he is compliant.  Iff the hospital can't get enough donations? It should close and send the sick children off to the streets? Capitalism is beneficial and necessary in conjunction with Socialism 

                    You are so wrong on every statement, you want to justify being a taker, and now you are not worth anymore of my time. Go check the mailbox, your welfare check is here.

                    Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                    For a lead role in a cage?

                     

                                                                From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

                      Kingofearth's avatar - Kinnak
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                      You are so wrong on every statement, you want to justify being a taker, and now you are not worth anymore of my time. Go check the mailbox, your welfare check is here.

                      Typical far-right loon.When you have no defense go " WAHHH Stop Saying Facts WAHHH" Because of you voting in anarco- cavemen like yourself I have $80,000 in loans from a public university and i'm graduating early. 

                        sully16's avatar - sharan
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                        Typical far-right loon.When you have no defense go " WAHHH Stop Saying Facts WAHHH" Because of you voting in anarco- cavemen like yourself I have $80,000 in loans from a public university and i'm graduating early. 

                        No actually your so dumb it makes my head hurt,, Somalia is not a Capitalist country, it is one of the poorest in the world, life expectancy 46.

                        The highest tax rate in the 1920's was 17%, for those making over 4 million.

                        The lowest, was .32 % for those making less then 100,000.

                        Your 80 k in debt, wow you are a monumental failure. You could have bought a house. You will probably never repay that debt, but why should you care, someone else can pay your medical, buy your food pay for an education that did nothing for you, your dumb as a rock. Go slap your libtard teachers, Socialism is a tyrannical Government forcing those that succeed to pay for those who don't even try.

                        Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                        For a lead role in a cage?

                         

                                                                    From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

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                          Yes i had a Wonderful 4th of July hope everyone else did also.

                          Now these people are still setting OFF Fireworks all hours of the night, i suppose they will be doing it all The Month of JULY! P***ed

                          Let it Snow Snowman

                            Kingofearth's avatar - Kinnak
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                            No actually your so dumb it makes my head hurt,, Somalia is not a Capitalist country, it is one of the poorest in the world, life expectancy 46.

                            The highest tax rate in the 1920's was 17%, for those making over 4 million.

                            The lowest, was .32 % for those making less then 100,000.

                            Your 80 k in debt, wow you are a monumental failure. You could have bought a house. You will probably never repay that debt, but why should you care, someone else can pay your medical, buy your food pay for an education that did nothing for you, your dumb as a rock. Go slap your libtard teachers, Socialism is a tyrannical Government forcing those that succeed to pay for those who don't even try.

                            Somalia is Capitalism without Socialism. In the 1950's the top tax rate was 90% because we had two sane parties controlling the government. You say you've been working since the 70's but you sound 8 years old. Unfortunately i had to be born in this declining second world (soon to be third world) crazy land. The next time you need police, fire or ambulance, don't call. You obviously think basic governance (Socialism) is tyrannical so don't call those socialist programs. 

                              sully16's avatar - sharan
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                              Somalia is Capitalism without Socialism. In the 1950's the top tax rate was 90% because we had two sane parties controlling the government. You say you've been working since the 70's but you sound 8 years old. Unfortunately i had to be born in this declining second world (soon to be third world) crazy land. The next time you need police, fire or ambulance, don't call. You obviously think basic governance (Socialism) is tyrannical so don't call those socialist programs. 

                              You are dumb, my property taxes pay for Police and Fire services, there are not Socialist programs, boy you are dumb, 90 % tax rate in the 50's wrong again, be back later with tax tables.

                              Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                              For a lead role in a cage?

                               

                                                                          From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"