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Posted: June 12, 2006, 7:14 pm - IP Logged

I am curerently running a system that tries to pick PB numbers that I see that will be highly unlikly that anyone else will pick.  I use Random and if I am just going to pick some fast I normally use the quick pick system, because I do not believe the human mind can truly pick a random sample.  

 

My main question becomes after you pick the numbers you normally use, do you protect your numbers and use truly random numbers so that you can decrease the chance that anyone else picks the same numbers? 

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    I assume you're picking losing numbers like most everyone else.  Why would you assume that any  one would prefer to play your numbers rather than some of their own?

     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
       
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      Posted: June 12, 2006, 7:41 pm - IP Logged

      Because all drawing are independent random samples, all numbes have the same odds to appear.  Lets say I pick, 1/2/3/4/5 PB 6.  This has the same odds to comming up than any random numbers.  BUT, I cut off my upside my increasing my chances of someone else picking my same numbers, thus cuting the potential jackpot.  Yes, I could use a wheel system of picking numbers but I dont see that as giving any real advantage when it comes to net income after accounting for the costs of buying enouf tickets. 

       

      My main reference to "protecting your numbers" would be by picking numbers that have a low probability of being picked.  

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        Many LP members post the numbers they're playing on the prediction board and as far as I know none of them have had to share a jackpot yet.

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          Posted: June 12, 2006, 8:03 pm - IP Logged

          I will phrase is differently then.  What can someone do to increase there upside in a lotto that is a truly random sample?  That would be to pick numbers that other are not likely to predict, because in the event of hittting a Jackpot, it would cut your upside. 

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            Posted: June 12, 2006, 8:14 pm - IP Logged

            I am curerently running a system that tries to pick PB numbers that I see that will be highly unlikly that anyone else will pick.  I use Random and if I am just going to pick some fast I normally use the quick pick system, because I do not believe the human mind can truly pick a random sample.  

             

            My main question becomes after you pick the numbers you normally use, do you protect your numbers and use truly random numbers so that you can decrease the chance that anyone else picks the same numbers? 

            it does not make any diference which numbers you picked. You have no way of knowing if someone else has played the same numbers or if someone else bought a guick pick with the same numbers.

            But i can say without a doubt if you buy a ticket with these digits then you'll have lots of company. because many people play  numbers like these 1-2-3-4-5 ----- 10-20-30-40-50 ---- 5-10-15-20-25 and so on.

            Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

                           I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend.
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              Posted: June 12, 2006, 8:19 pm - IP Logged

              I try to pick numbers that will win a jackpot, I'll deal with sharing the jackpot if and when I ever win if that's a problem.  Sharing a MegaMillions or PowerBall jackpot with another winner wouldn't be a problem for me, it beats being one of thousands of losers.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                Posted: June 12, 2006, 8:41 pm - IP Logged

                I try to pick numbers that will win a jackpot, I'll deal with sharing the jackpot if and when I ever win if that's a problem.  Sharing a MegaMillions or PowerBall jackpot with another winner wouldn't be a problem for me, it beats being one of thousands of losers.

                and if i did win with other winners , i highly doubt the other winners were  also on this site looking at my numbers, the chances of that alone is the same as winning the jackpot Yes Nod

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                  Posted: June 12, 2006, 8:51 pm - IP Logged

                  You dont get what I am saying still.  I am not talking about this site.  I am talking about picking numbers that have a LOW chance of someone else picking the same numbers. 

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                    Posted: June 12, 2006, 9:30 pm - IP Logged

                    Visar,

                    Try reading this book:

                    How to Win More: Strategies for Increasing a Lottery Win

                    by Norbert Henze and Hans Riedwyl

                    Copyright 1998 by A K Peters, Ltd.

                    ISBN 1-56881-078-4

                    In large part, this book adresses exactly the question you've raised in this thread. I think you'll find it a good read. The book has been discussed here at LP in the past. You might do a search for it to see if you can bring up some of those old posts, but I'd still recommend that you get the book. At least you'd be getting some straight answers to your question instead of wasting your time trying to fend off the cynics and naysayers.

                    Good luck,

                    aye'

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                      Posted: June 12, 2006, 10:22 pm - IP Logged

                      The number of combinations in PB are so high, and the odds of you picking the correct combination are so low, that the probability of you and another player having the same winning numbers are slim. It does happen on occasion, but half-a-jackpot is still better than no jackpot at all. If you're worried about someone else playing your numbers, then you should watch out for the folks that work at the place where you place your bets. Coffee

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                        Posted: June 12, 2006, 10:31 pm - IP Logged

                        Visar,

                        I understand your question and the reason for your quest. I also use the same strategy.

                        What I do is track the winning numbers and try to corelate the wins in respect to the expected wins. This is difficult to do for the jackpot wins but easier to do for 1, 2 and 3 number matches. I then extrapolate the information for the low number matches to the jackpot.

                        For example, Mega Millions in CA is great because their paramutel payouts clearly show players prefer low numbers. Therefore, one easy conclusion is to play high numbers. There are many other conclusions to be made.

                         

                        Good luck,
                        Jake

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                          Posted: June 12, 2006, 11:43 pm - IP Logged

                          Visar,

                          Try reading this book:

                          How to Win More: Strategies for Increasing a Lottery Win

                          by Norbert Henze and Hans Riedwyl

                          Copyright 1998 by A K Peters, Ltd.

                          ISBN 1-56881-078-4

                          In large part, this book adresses exactly the question you've raised in this thread. I think you'll find it a good read. The book has been discussed here at LP in the past. You might do a search for it to see if you can bring up some of those old posts, but I'd still recommend that you get the book. At least you'd be getting some straight answers to your question instead of wasting your time trying to fend off the cynics and naysayers.

                          Good luck,

                          aye'

                          Thx for the information. 

                          People get familiar with the common numbers, that being a date (would exclude all numbers 32+) and with the common 5, 10, 12, 15, and 20 (with 13 being unlucky). 
                          Now, if it can be proven that the lotto is NOT a truly random sample then I can give some credence to people who pick numbers that are “more frequent”.  I mean, even I was wondering how 20 can up 3 times (minus the last drawing). 

                           

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                            PB is currently $86 million.  I know that's not the amount of the actual cash, but even if 8 people won, that would still be a lot of money.  I don't understand why anyone would try to choose numbers based on how many others might select them.  I play to win, although of course I'd love a large jackpot. But I'd rather win 1/10 of $20 million than 100% of nothing.

                            BTW, what is the highest number of winners in a single PB or MM game? Has it ever been more than 5?  Even the state lottery 6/53 games rarely have more than 2 winners.

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                              I use a similar strategy.  For many years I kept a file on certain types of lottery drawings and wrote a computer program to process them, accounting, among other things, for their frequency in drawings that resulted in higher than average numbers of winners.  No such program is infallable, since the majority of tickets sold are quick picks, but you can increase the liklihood that if your numbers come up, you will win alone.  This is called raising your expectation value.   

                              The effect is slight, and one could argue that the extremely long odds lotteries, Megamillions and Powerball, are very unlikely to have more than one winner.  In Powerball, for instance, the probability that the in the case that there is a winner, there will be more than one of them, does not happen until Powerball sells in a single drawing, about 183 million tickets.    This has never happened under the new matrix.  Since, California excepted, the smaller prizes are not parimutuel but are fixed, one probably accrues an even smaller advantage if one plays in this way.

                              You cannot increase your odds of winning in the first place, but if you play more than one ticket, there are certain ways that you can minimize your overall probability of winning.

                              Of course, I will never know, but there probably is an alternate universe where I didn't write such a computer program and won using a quick pick!

                              I do keep my numbers to myself, however.