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Why It Is Important to Remain Anonymous.

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Posted: June 23, 2006, 9:43 pm - IP Logged

If the Jackpot is big enough, trust me ...I can be very hard to find on my 100 acre, highly secure compound with an unlisted number.

My family, which I love, will be blessed with never having to work again, and there will be no safety issues, nor will there be any leeches, unless they can get thru my "shark" attorney first. 

Just my .02 worth...

DD

 

 

                               

              

 

 

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    DoubleDown said:

    . . . and there will be no safety issues . . .

    For you, perhaps.  But for any older woman living alone, there are ALWAYS safety issues.  For a WEALTHY older woman living alone, there would be big time safety issues.  And I'm a loner, so I don't want other people around at this stage of life.  Yet the money would be nice.

    Everyone's situation is not alike.

    Because of other factors, I'm still not sure if I'd claim a jackpot anonymously or not. 

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      Well if given the choice I would claim it anonymously. But if I can't, it will not stop me from picking up my prize.

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        One of the solid arguments for wanting to retain anonimity seems to me to lie in the fact that on these threads about it there's always some smooth talker who has a strong opinion a person shouldn't attempt to do so.

        Enough people evidently feel the need to tell others how stupid it is to worry about it to cause a person to wonder if they're not among those who'd be sending you spam afterward, or trying to sell you on various ways to invest, or just simply trying to get into your pocketbook.

        It's easy to understand how a person might consider it an important issue to himself one way or the other.  But the only reason I can think of a person would give a hoot whether others wanted anonimity enough to try to wormtoungue them about it, or manipulate their thinking, involves reasons for wanting people who win lotteries not to be too difficult to find.

        Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

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          Posted: June 24, 2006, 11:12 am - IP Logged

          can you remain anonymous in tn?

          When others say "remain anonymous," they don't necessarily mean the money can be claimed without your name ever being released.

          In some states, mine(Louisiana) being one of them, the Lottery allows prizes to be claimed not only be individuals but by trusts and corporations. If your state allows this, it could be considered "remaining anonymous." Even though data for who is part of a corporation, LLC, etc. is often public record, it can provide some level of anomymity.

          Alot of people don't know how to get that information, and the only thing published will be the name of the corporation, so that makes you a little more anonymous than if your actual name and city were plastered everywhere. If you keep your mouth shut, you're immediate family won't even think it's you, so they probably won't ever try to hustle money out of you.

          I don't know what the laws are on trusts though, if that data can be obtained or not. They do allow some anomymity all the same.

          In my opinion, there is no 100% way to be anonymous, just things you can do to make it harder to be tracked down.

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            Posted: June 24, 2006, 11:52 am - IP Logged

            can you remain anonymous in tn?

            When others say "remain anonymous," they don't necessarily mean the money can be claimed without your name ever being released.

            In some states, mine(Louisiana) being one of them, the Lottery allows prizes to be claimed not only be individuals but by trusts and corporations. If your state allows this, it could be considered "remaining anonymous." Even though data for who is part of a corporation, LLC, etc. is often public record, it can provide some level of anomymity.

            Alot of people don't know how to get that information, and the only thing published will be the name of the corporation, so that makes you a little more anonymous than if your actual name and city were plastered everywhere. If you keep your mouth shut, you're immediate family won't even think it's you, so they probably won't ever try to hustle money out of you.

            I don't know what the laws are on trusts though, if that data can be obtained or not. They do allow some anomymity all the same.

            In my opinion, there is no 100% way to be anonymous, just things you can do to make it harder to be tracked down.

            PrisonerSix

            In such case as Louisiana where an LLC can claim a prize, use a Delaware LLC formed by an incorporation service. Your name will not appear in any public records, yet you have 100% control of the LLC, as after the firm forms it, they sign over the rights to you.

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              Posted: June 24, 2006, 12:21 pm - IP Logged

              can you remain anonymous in tn?

              When others say "remain anonymous," they don't necessarily mean the money can be claimed without your name ever being released.

              In some states, mine(Louisiana) being one of them, the Lottery allows prizes to be claimed not only be individuals but by trusts and corporations. If your state allows this, it could be considered "remaining anonymous." Even though data for who is part of a corporation, LLC, etc. is often public record, it can provide some level of anomymity.

              Alot of people don't know how to get that information, and the only thing published will be the name of the corporation, so that makes you a little more anonymous than if your actual name and city were plastered everywhere. If you keep your mouth shut, you're immediate family won't even think it's you, so they probably won't ever try to hustle money out of you.

              I don't know what the laws are on trusts though, if that data can be obtained or not. They do allow some anomymity all the same.

              In my opinion, there is no 100% way to be anonymous, just things you can do to make it harder to be tracked down.

              PrisonerSix

              In such case as Louisiana where an LLC can claim a prize, use a Delaware LLC formed by an incorporation service. Your name will not appear in any public records, yet you have 100% control of the LLC, as after the firm forms it, they sign over the rights to you.

              Once again, you need to check with your state.  The state of California will not keep your name secret.  They will allow you to claim the prize in the name of the trust, but the trust must be a California trust.  As far as the corporation or LLC, I would have to check, but I don't think they allow that in California.  It has to be an individual and as far as the law is concerned a trust is an individual for most purposes but a corporation or LLC is not.

              Actually, I think most of this discussion, although interesting, may be a moot point.  The states are all governments.  A government can be served with a Freedom Of Information request to get information that they have not released.  They have to show (this is what I understand) that releasing the information would be a security risk to the government.  So, I think that if someone (like the media even) would really want to find out, they can.

               

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                I recall during the early days of HIV, a lot of people who contracted it had life insurance policies.  There were businesses who thrived buying beneficiary status those life insurance policies from the folks who were dying of HIV, giving them something up front and betting when they'd make a haul when they claimed the policy.

                 

                This is one of the things I hate about money.  "Let's bet that we'll make a fortune on other people's misery. "  It was also common practice to sell insurance policies to families during WWII when the Nazis began systematic genocide.  Knowing that finding an identifiable body after it was burned to ashes would be next to impossible, they bet that relatives of holocaust victims would never be able to produce a death certificate and claim their benefits.

                 

                I know this has nothing to do with the subject of anonymity, but my eye caught your comment.

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                  I recall during the early days of HIV, a lot of people who contracted it had life insurance policies.  There were businesses who thrived buying beneficiary status those life insurance policies from the folks who were dying of HIV, giving them something up front and betting when they'd make a haul when they claimed the policy.

                   

                  This is one of the things I hate about money.  "Let's bet that we'll make a fortune on other people's misery. "  It was also common practice to sell insurance policies to families during WWII when the Nazis began systematic genocide.  Knowing that finding an identifiable body after it was burned to ashes would be next to impossible, they bet that relatives of holocaust victims would never be able to produce a death certificate and claim their benefits.

                   

                  I know this has nothing to do with the subject of anonymity, but my eye caught your comment.

                  It mightn't exactly be thread drift.

                  Life offers up a lot of surprises as a rule, justx.

                  One side or another always gets a surprise in any war, or there wouldn't have been one.  Usually both sides get a few surprises.  Insurance beneficiary buyers got a few surprises when a lot of HIV patients recovered. 

                  One thing that shouldn't surprise any of us any time is human beings capitalizing one way or another on the misery of others.

                  And it shouldn't be any surprise to any of us if we win a jackpot when we discover friends ain't what we expected, enemies are, and family are friends when they get what they want, enemies when they don't.

                  Maybe surprising them with anonymity, and surprising the bureaucrats and crooks by finding ways to achieve it when it can't be done shouldn't surprise us.

                  Jack

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                    Yeah, I agree with CalifDude... checking with state would be first thing to do. I know certain state allows winner to remain anonymous, but most of states require your Name to be on public.

                    I have heard of certain state allows "blind trust" like so many winners in Ohio as loophole, but again, most states (like Calif, Nevada or Arizona) won't even allow that.

                    So if you're thinking about remaining anonymous when you win, time to move or something Wink

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                      Inevitably, even in a state like Delaware that does not release names, SOMEONE will eventually find out somehow.

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                        I was curious about why most states (all but 3) have to disclose names, and the main reason is, what if someone 'anonymous' won the lottery, and it was the CEO of the MUSL ?    Or some other 'inside' employee ??

                         

                        EVERYONE would scream 'inside job - inside job' !!!

                        And for that reason, it cannot be anonymous (however strangely except in 3 states).

                         

                        If I won it, all of my phones would be disconnected, and I would get those disposable cell phones with pre-loaded minutes.

                        Incoming mail is easy to throw out (or shred).

                        Family 'beggers' are easy to ignore.

                        Folks you haven't heard from in forever ?   You know what to do.....

                         

                        Sure, you will make lots of 'enemies', but with 'friends' like these, you don't need enemies. 

                         

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                          Thankfully in my country together with most european countries it is possible to remain anonymous when winning first prizes in lotteries.

                          Not that I expect to win soon... (but it might happen!) 

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                            I was curious about why most states (all but 3) have to disclose names, and the main reason is, what if someone 'anonymous' won the lottery, and it was the CEO of the MUSL ?    Or some other 'inside' employee ??

                             

                            EVERYONE would scream 'inside job - inside job' !!!

                            And for that reason, it cannot be anonymous (however strangely except in 3 states).

                             

                            If I won it, all of my phones would be disconnected, and I would get those disposable cell phones with pre-loaded minutes.

                            Incoming mail is easy to throw out (or shred).

                            Family 'beggers' are easy to ignore.

                            Folks you haven't heard from in forever ?   You know what to do.....

                             

                            Sure, you will make lots of 'enemies', but with 'friends' like these, you don't need enemies. 

                             

                             

                            EVERYONE would scream 'inside job - inside job' !!!

                            And for that reason, it cannot be anonymous (however strangely except in 3 states).

                             

                            Guesser:

                            In NM, the tribal chairmen of the Jicarilla Apache and the Tribal Governor of the Isleta won three $1M plus jackpots for the casinos.  Three jackpots on two reservations won by the two most powerful men on the two reservations.

                            There was definitely a cry of 'inside job'.

                            Both tribes are small ones and either man could as easily have let a friend or relative win it instead of himself  and remained anonymous.  Half the populations were relatives.

                            For some reason neither man saw it as a viable option.  I've wondered about that for an awfully long while.

                            Same as I wonder why big jackpot winners who wish to remain anonymous wouldn't make an arrangement with a third party via a ticket sale agreement.

                            Interesting post.

                            J

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                            It's about number behavior.

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                              I was curious about why most states (all but 3) have to disclose names, and the main reason is, what if someone 'anonymous' won the lottery, and it was the CEO of the MUSL ?    Or some other 'inside' employee ??

                               

                              EVERYONE would scream 'inside job - inside job' !!!

                              And for that reason, it cannot be anonymous (however strangely except in 3 states).

                               

                              If I won it, all of my phones would be disconnected, and I would get those disposable cell phones with pre-loaded minutes.

                              Incoming mail is easy to throw out (or shred).

                              Family 'beggers' are easy to ignore.

                              Folks you haven't heard from in forever ?   You know what to do.....

                               

                              Sure, you will make lots of 'enemies', but with 'friends' like these, you don't need enemies. 

                               

                              That's why most states release the names of the winner, so that the people will trust the lottery. State lotteries fear that if they don't have the public trust, that the people will not play and it will hurt sales. Remember, the lottery is a BUSINESS. But, the real question is, do states that allow anonymity generate more money in sales compared to states with comparable populations that do not grant anonymity? Furthermore, are people willing to travel to the anonymous states in an attempt to win a "game"?

                              Smart lottery winners form trust to claim their winnings.  They send an attorney to the lottery headquarters to claim the prize in trust, so that ONLY the name of the trust is revealed.  And they tell NO ONE, especially relatives.

                              If you ever win a lottery and you are single, the only person you should ever marry is someone who was truly in love with you BEFORE you won the jackpot!