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# Pick 4 Short Sums Chart

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I believe the answer to the coin toss question -- If I am reading your question correctly is how many coin tosses to achieve a 99% degree of certainly with a P 1/2.

I believe the answer is 6.  Am I close?

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Win D

I believe the answer to the coin toss question -- If I am reading your question correctly is how many coin tosses to achieve a 99% degree of certainly with a P 1/2.

I believe the answer is 6.  Am I close?

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Well ....  it's a long subject for me to get into here. If you do a search on the Math forum....there is plenty of stuff in there to enjoy on that ..... Big Subject.. and view points..LOL

You would be amazed how many tosses there are in just 1% that can mess up your head and your betting.

Until then,.... here is a basic odds formula for you on the 50/50 odds and probabilities.

You know the odds of a coin toss resulting in heads are 1/2 = 2:1. right?  The odds of two consecutive tosses both resulting in heads are 1/2 x 1/2 = 4:1. The odds of three consecutive tosses all resulting in heads are 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 8:1

As far as my playing needs go ....and setting target plays .....

When you get up into the 7,8,9 in a row area.... that's where I like to start. I usually plan on a Maximum Win Target of 3...maybe 4 days (depending).  Then... I am outa there.

When you consider 7 in a row is 108:1 ......and 8 in a row is 216:1 ......  then 9 in a row at 432:1 ....that is just fine ...and plenty good enough for me and my little plays. LOL

If one goes around only looking for 99% deals in these games ..... I found out you will only get to play once or twice a year maybe. LOL    They are rare and hard to find and frankly I don't trust them after 10 in a row. They are "world record perverts" or something like that .... usually.

By the way...One of my favorite saying after years of playing these games is this....

" Probability happens twice as often as they say it does" ...especilally when you got money on it!  LOL

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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I don't know Keith...It still seems huge.... for me it just seems too big to handle or bet on. Now ...maybe a Syndicate or betting club group could use it in a long track profit play.

It does seem like a good thing to have for kind of a "LONG Range Radar or Early warning system set up. ...for a smaller group.

Knowing me I'm overlooking something. The Singles chart hurts my head as small as it is. Pick 4 is a big darn game.

It surprises me how long a quadrant can go missing for 12 ,13 or 14 days. I guess if a 50/50 can go missing for 7,8,9 or 10 draws...a 1n4 can go blank for almost 2 times that ...right?

Yep....  for me I would llike to play around with something I can relate to on an individual play level ... at least in the early studies.

You mentioned the Zero/one chart deal. If we had a Singles Chart at the top under each Sum .. then.... then we had all the  Doubles Zero /one right under it using the same 10 sums.

In other words....  Both charts ...one on top of the other but still in Quad formation a,b,c,d . That way you could play Doubles Game as an option.  It would be balanced and in sink with each other. If the user wanted to consider doubles to include or not.

Chaz

If you can put this chart up for me, I will put it in a format like the giga-sized one from earlier. They we can work it from there.

Keith

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Okay...here is SINGLES ONLY and I balanced them...should look a little better for you:

 A0 A1 A2 A3 A4 B5 B6 B7 B8 B9 0127 0128 0129 0139 0149 0159 0123 0124 0125 0126 0136 0137 0138 0148 0158 0168 0169 0179 0134 0135 0145 0146 0147 0157 0167 0249 0178 0269 0189 0234 0235 0236 0156 0238 0239 0258 0259 0278 0279 0289 0389 0245 0237 0247 0248 0267 0268 0359 0369 0379 0479 0489 0246 0256 0257 0348 0349 0368 0378 0469 0569 0579 0345 0346 0347 0357 0358 0458 0459 0478 0578 0678 0589 1237 0356 0456 0367 0467 0468 0568 1234 1235 1236 1246 1238 1239 0457 1259 0567 1279 1289 1389 1245 1345 1247 1248 1249 1268 1269 1369 3467 3568 4569 4679 4789 C0 C1 C2 C3 C4 D5 D6 D7 D8 D9 1379 1479 0679 0689 1256 1257 1258 1349 1278 1378 1469 1569 1489 1589 1346 1347 1267 1358 1359 1459 1478 1578 1579 1679 2345 1356 1348 1367 1368 1468 1568 2379 1678 2489 0789 2346 1357 1457 1458 1567 2369 2469 2389 2579 1689 1789 1456 2348 1467 2359 2378 2478 2479 2678 2589 2689 2347 2357 2349 2368 2459 2568 2569 3479 2679 3589 2356 2456 2358 2458 2468 3459 2578 3569 3489 3679 2789 3789 2367 2467 2567 3468 3469 3578 3579 4579 3689 4689 2457 3457 3458 3567 3478 4568 3678 4678 4589 5679 3456 5789 6789 4567 4578 5678 5689

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And the progressions:

 Draw SGL Bet Unit DBL Bet Unit TPL Bet Unit If Loss If SGL Win If DBL Win If TPL Win Quadrant A SGL Only 1 \$53 1 -- -- -- -- (\$53) \$322 -- -- Quadrant D 2 \$53 1 -- -- -- -- (\$106) \$269 -- -- 3 \$53 1 -- -- -- -- (\$159) \$216 -- -- 4 \$53 1 -- -- -- -- (\$212) \$163 -- -- 5 \$53 1 -- -- -- -- (\$265) \$110 -- -- 6 \$53 1 -- -- -- -- (\$318) \$57 -- -- 7 \$53 1 -- -- -- -- (\$371) \$4 -- -- 8 \$106 2 -- -- -- -- (\$477) \$273 -- -- 9 \$106 2 -- -- -- -- (\$583) \$167 -- -- 10 \$106 2 -- -- -- -- (\$689) \$61 -- -- 11 \$159 3 -- -- -- -- (\$848) \$277 -- -- 12 \$159 3 -- -- -- -- (\$1,007) \$118 -- -- 13 \$212 4 -- -- -- -- (\$1,219) \$281 -- -- 14 \$212 4 -- -- -- -- (\$1,431) \$69 -- -- 15 \$265 5 -- -- -- -- (\$1,696) \$179 -- -- 16 \$318 6 -- -- -- -- (\$2,014) \$236 -- -- 17 \$371 7 -- -- -- -- (\$2,385) \$240 -- -- 18 \$424 8 -- -- -- -- (\$2,809) \$191 -- -- 19 \$477 9 -- -- -- -- (\$3,286) \$89 -- -- 20 \$583 11 -- -- -- -- (\$3,869) \$256 -- -- 21 \$689 13 -- -- -- -- (\$4,558) \$317 -- -- 22 \$795 15 -- -- -- -- (\$5,353) \$272 -- -- 23 \$901 17 -- -- -- -- (\$6,254) \$121 -- -- 24 \$1,060 20 -- -- -- -- (\$7,314) \$186 -- -- 25 \$1,219 23 -- -- -- -- (\$8,533) \$92 -- -- 26 \$1,431 27 -- -- -- -- (\$9,964) \$161 -- -- 27 \$1,643 31 -- -- -- -- (\$11,607) \$18 -- -- 28 \$1,961 37 -- -- -- -- (\$13,568) \$307 -- -- 29 \$2,279 43 -- -- -- -- (\$15,847) \$278 -- -- 30 \$2,650 50 -- -- -- -- (\$18,497) \$253 -- -- Draw SGL Bet Unit DBL Bet Unit TPL Bet Unit If Loss If SGL Win If DBL Win If TPL Win Quadrant B SGL Only 1 \$52 1 -- -- -- -- (\$52) \$323 -- -- Quadrant C 2 \$52 1 -- -- -- -- (\$104) \$271 -- -- 3 \$52 1 -- -- -- -- (\$156) \$219 -- -- 4 \$52 1 -- -- -- -- (\$208) \$167 -- -- 5 \$52 1 -- -- -- -- (\$260) \$115 -- -- 6 \$52 1 -- -- -- -- (\$312) \$63 -- -- 7 \$52 1 -- -- -- -- (\$364) \$11 -- -- 8 \$104 2 -- -- -- -- (\$468) \$282 -- -- 9 \$104 2 -- -- -- -- (\$572) \$178 -- -- 10 \$104 2 -- -- -- -- (\$676) \$74 -- -- 11 \$156 3 -- -- -- -- (\$832) \$293 -- -- 12 \$156 3 -- -- -- -- (\$988) \$137 -- -- 13 \$208 4 -- -- -- -- (\$1,196) \$304 -- -- 14 \$208 4 -- -- -- -- (\$1,404) \$96 -- -- 15 \$260 5 -- -- -- -- (\$1,664) \$211 -- -- 16 \$312 6 -- -- -- -- (\$1,976) \$274 -- -- 17 \$364 7 -- -- -- -- (\$2,340) \$285 -- -- 18 \$416 8 -- -- -- -- (\$2,756) \$244 -- -- 19 \$468 9 -- -- -- -- (\$3,224) \$151 -- -- 20 \$520 10 -- -- -- -- (\$3,744) \$6 -- -- 21 \$624 12 -- -- -- -- (\$4,368) \$132 -- -- 22 \$728 14 -- -- -- -- (\$5,096) \$154 -- -- 23 \$832 16 -- -- -- -- (\$5,928) \$72 -- -- 24 \$988 19 -- -- -- -- (\$6,916) \$209 -- -- 25 \$1,144 22 -- -- -- -- (\$8,060) \$190 -- -- 26 \$1,300 25 -- -- -- -- (\$9,360) \$15 -- -- 27 \$1,508 29 -- -- -- -- (\$10,868) \$7 -- -- 28 \$1,768 34 -- -- -- -- (\$12,636) \$114 -- -- 29 \$2,080 40 -- -- -- -- (\$14,716) \$284 -- -- 30 \$2,392 46 -- -- -- -- (\$17,108) \$142 -- --

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OHIO EVENING test...not bad...a small drawdown compared to the other chart...just not as much profit...but very manageable:

 Quad A Quad B Quad C Quad D Quadrant Bet Win DrawDown 7/25/2006 8664 7/26/2006 0504 7/27/2006 9614 C 7/28/2006 0255 7/29/2006 5284 D 7/31/2006 0469 B A 8/1/2006 3273 A 8/2/2006 7419 C A 8/3/2006 3925 D A 8/4/2006 1524 A A 110 265 8/5/2006 3612 A B 8/7/2006 7681 C B 8/8/2006 4732 D B 8/9/2006 1463 C B 8/10/2006 2895 C B 8/11/2006 9419 B 8/12/2006 4019 A B 8/14/2006 9615 C B 8/15/2006 0734 A B 8/16/2006 9460 B B 74 676 8/17/2006 8684 D 8/18/2006 9895 D 8/19/2006 7480 B D 8/21/2006 9301 A D 8/22/2006 5623 D D 110 265 8/23/2006 9492 C 8/24/2006 4048 C 8/25/2006 5480 B C 8/26/2006 6057 B C 8/28/2006 1588 C 8/29/2006 294 676

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Very Nice,,,, Historic ,,,, thanks Keith. A chart for doubles under neath. It would be an option to include or use it .....or not. Same Sums and cut into the 4 quads ....a,b,c,d,

How hard would it be to insert Horizontal lines on those Keith? We could track those hit rates too.

0        1        2        3       4        5        6        7        8        9

0127  0128  0129  0139  0149  0159  0123  0124  0125  0126
0136  0137  0138  0148  0158  0168  0169  0179  0134  0135
0145  0146  0147  0157  0167  0249  0178  0269  0189  0234
0235  0236  0156  0238  0239  0258  0259  0278  0279  0289
1234  0245  0237  0247  0248  0267  0268  0359  0369  0379
0389  1235  0246  0256  0257  0348  0349  0368  0378  0469
0479  0489  0345  0346  0347  0357  0358  0458  0459  0478
0569  0579  1236  1237  0356  0456  0367  0467  0468  0568
0578  0678  1245  1246  1238  1239  0457  1259  0567  1279
1289  1389  0589  1345  1247  1248  1249  1268  1269  1369      Singles
1379  1479  0679  0689  1256  1257  1258  1349  1278  1378    No Match
1469  1569  1489  1589  1346  1347  1267  1358  1359  1459    210 Combos
1478  1578  1579  1679  2345  1356  1348  1367  1368  1468    x 24
1568  2379  1678  2489  0789  2346  1357  1457  1458  1567    =5040
2369  2469  2389  2579  1689  1789  1456  2348  1467  2359
2378  2478  2479  2678  2589  2689  2347  2357  2349  2368
2459  2568  2569  3479  2679  3589  2356  2456  2358  2458
2468  3459  2578  3569  3489  3679  2789  3789  2367  2467
2567  3468  3469  3578  3579  4579  3689  4689  2457  3457
3458  3567  3478  4568  3678  4678  4589  5679  3456  5789
3467            3568            4569           4679            4789
6789            4567            4578            5678            5689

0019  0029  0039  0012  0013  0014  0015  0016  0017  0018
0028  0038  0048  0049  0059  0023  0024  0025  0026  0027
0037  0047  0057  0058  0068  0069  0079  0034  0035  0036
0046  0056  0228  0067  0112  0078  0114  0089  0116  0045
0118  0119  0255  0166  0266  0113  0277  0115  0224  0117
0226  0155  0336  0229  0338  0122  0448  0133  0233  0144  Dble Combos
0244  0227  0499  0337  0446  0177  0466  0188  0288  0199  360 combos
0299  0335  0688  0355  0455  0339  0556  0223  0477  0225    x12
0334  0344  0778  0445  0699  0366  0899  0377  0558  0388  =4320
0488  0399  1128  0599  1139  0447  1159  0449  1124  0559
0668  0588  1137  0779  1148  0799  1168  0557  1179  0577
0677  0669  1146  0788  1157  0889  1339  0566  1223  0667
1126  1127  1227  1129  1229  1149  1366  1123  1377  1125
1135  1136  1335  1138  1337  1158  1447  1169  1449  1134
1225  1145  1344  1147  1355  1167  1799  1178  1557  1189
1388  1226  1399  1156  1445  1266  1889  1277  1566  1224
1559  1244  1588  1228  1599  1338  2239  1448  2259  1233
1577  1299  1669  1255  1779  1446  2248  1466  2268  1288
1667  1334  2235  1336  1788  1455  2257  1556  2448  1477
2279  1488  2334  1499  2237  1699  2338  1899  2466  1558
2477  1668  2488  1688  2246  2238  2446  2249  2556  2269
2558  1677  2668  1778  2336  2247  2455  2258  2899  2278
3359  2234  2677  2236  2499  2256  2699  2267  3348  2377
3368  2289  3379  2245  2688  2337  3346  2339  3357  2449
3449  2388  3559  2335  2778  2355  3445  2366  3447  2557
3557  2559  3577  2344  3588  2445  3599  2447  3799  2566
3566  2577  3667  2399  3669  2599  3779  2799  3889  3349
4457  2667  4459  2588  4479  2779  3788  2889  4699  3358
4556  3369  4468  2669  4668  2788  4688  3347  5779  3367
4899  3378  4558  3389  4677  3345  4778  3356  5788  3448
5799  3477  6899  3488  5568  3499  5579  3446  6679  3466
5889  3558  7889  3668  5667  3688  5669  3455  6778  3556
4458           3677            3778            3699            3899
4467            4469           4489            4599            4456
4557            4478            4588            4779            4799
4566            4559            4669            4788            4889
5899            4577           5569            5589            5699
6799            4667            5578            5688            6689
6889            5567            5668            5778            6779
7789            7899            5677            6678            6788

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Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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SOUTH CAROLINA EVENING test....smaller profits, but very manageable as well. I mean, I would take \$114 x 48 draws = \$5,472 per month anyday, tax-free, wouldn't you? :

 Quad A Quad B Quad C Quad D Quadrant Bet Win DrawDown 7/30/2006 8806 7/31/2006 3433 8/1/2006 9973 8/2/2006 5351 8/3/2006 0084 8/4/2006 9201 A 8/5/2006 6604 8/6/2006 3713 8/7/2006 3959 8/8/2006 8570 A 8/9/2006 6040 8/10/2006 0883 8/11/2006 2677 8/12/2006 2721 8/13/2006 1867 C 8/14/2006 3734 8/15/2006 3983 8/16/2006 7880 8/17/2006 2079 B 8/18/2006 3503 D 8/19/2006 6842 C D 8/20/2006 0153 B D 8/21/2006 8275 C D 8/22/2006 7280 B D 8/23/2006 7451 D D 57 318 8/24/2006 4269 C A 8/25/2006 4592 C A 8/26/2006 3677 A 8/27/2006 3301 A 8/28/2006 5845 A 8/29/2006 6071 A A 57 318 114 318

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I guess what I meant was taking the singles, doubles and triples together with a 0 and/or 1 in them.

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Yep.... and that was a light month for SC. with only 12 Single number days. Should run more like 15 or so.... single number days per month.

Keith just saw your post about Zero/one's . If I understand ...  Yes ,,sure. It might be better to keep them seperate but centered under each other ....so as to use them or include them as an option. But you could still track them on the side ... maybe

Hope I'm getting the idea of it.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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It could work out really well eventually.

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Okay...drum roll please....here is the singles chart with only 0 and/or 1 in them. I balanced it out a little...

 A0 A1 A2 A3 A4 B5 B6 B7 B8 B9 0127 0128 0129 0139 0149 0159 0123 0124 0125 0126 0136 0137 0138 0148 0158 0168 0169 0179 0134 0135 0145 0146 0147 0157 0167 0249 0178 0269 0189 0234 0235 0236 0156 0238 0239 0258 0259 0278 0279 0289 0389 0245 0237 0247 0248 0267 0268 0359 0369 0379 0479 0489 0246 0256 0257 0348 0349 0368 0378 0469 0569 0579 0345 0346 0347 0357 0358 0458 0459 0478 C0 C1 C2 C3 C4 D5 D6 D7 D8 D9 0578 0678 0589 1237 0356 0456 0367 0467 0468 0568 1234 1235 1236 1246 1238 1239 0457 1259 0567 1279 1289 1389 1245 1345 1247 1248 1249 1268 1269 1369 1379 1479 0679 0689 1256 1257 1258 1349 1278 1378 1469 1569 1489 1589 1346 1347 1267 1358 1359 1459 1478 1578 1579 1679 0789 1356 1348 1367 1368 1468 1568 1456 1678 1467 1689 1789 1357 1457 1458 1567

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And now...the progression:

 Draw SGL Bet Unit DBL Bet Unit TPL Bet Unit If Loss If SGL Win If DBL Win If TPL Win Zero/One SGL 1 \$35 1 -- -- -- -- (\$35) \$340 -- -- 2 \$35 1 -- -- -- -- (\$70) \$305 -- -- 3 \$35 1 -- -- -- -- (\$105) \$270 -- -- 4 \$35 1 -- -- -- -- (\$140) \$235 -- -- 5 \$35 1 -- -- -- -- (\$175) \$200 -- -- 6 \$35 1 -- -- -- -- (\$210) \$165 -- -- 7 \$35 1 -- -- -- -- (\$245) \$130 -- -- 8 \$70 2 -- -- -- -- (\$315) \$435 -- -- 9 \$70 2 -- -- -- -- (\$385) \$365 -- -- 10 \$70 2 -- -- -- -- (\$455) \$295 -- -- 11 \$105 3 -- -- -- -- (\$560) \$565 -- -- 12 \$105 3 -- -- -- -- (\$665) \$460 -- -- 13 \$140 4 -- -- -- -- (\$805) \$695 -- -- 14 \$140 4 -- -- -- -- (\$945) \$555 -- -- 15 \$175 5 -- -- -- -- (\$1,120) \$755 -- -- 16 \$210 6 -- -- -- -- (\$1,330) \$920 -- -- 17 \$245 7 -- -- -- -- (\$1,575) \$1,050 -- -- 18 \$280 8 -- -- -- -- (\$1,855) \$1,145 -- -- 19 \$315 9 -- -- -- -- (\$2,170) \$1,205 -- -- 20 \$350 10 -- -- -- -- (\$2,520) \$1,230 -- -- 21 \$420 12 -- -- -- -- (\$2,940) \$1,560 -- -- 22 \$490 14 -- -- -- -- (\$3,430) \$1,820 -- -- 23 \$560 16 -- -- -- -- (\$3,990) \$2,010 -- -- 24 \$665 19 -- -- -- -- (\$4,655) \$2,470 -- -- 25 \$770 22 -- -- -- -- (\$5,425) \$2,825 -- -- 26 \$875 25 -- -- -- -- (\$6,300) \$3,075 -- -- 27 \$1,015 29 -- -- -- -- (\$7,315) \$3,560 -- -- 28 \$1,190 34 -- -- -- -- (\$8,505) \$4,245 -- -- 29 \$1,400 40 -- -- -- -- (\$9,905) \$5,095 -- -- 30 \$1,610 46 -- -- -- -- (\$11,515) \$5,735 -- --

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 Quadrant Bet Win DrawDown 7/25/2006 8664 7/26/2006 0504 7/27/2006 9614 C 7/28/2006 0255 7/29/2006 5284 7/31/2006 0469 B 8/1/2006 3273 8/2/2006 7419 C 8/3/2006 3925 8/4/2006 1524 C 8/5/2006 3612 C 8/7/2006 7681 C 8/8/2006 4732 8/9/2006 1463 C 8/10/2006 2895 8/11/2006 9419 8/12/2006 4019 A 8/14/2006 9615 C D 8/15/2006 0734 A D 8/16/2006 9460 B D 8/17/2006 8684 D 8/18/2006 9895 D 8/19/2006 7480 B D 8/21/2006 9301 A D 8/22/2006 5623 D 8/23/2006 9492 D 8/24/2006 4048 D 8/25/2006 5480 B D 8/26/2006 6057 D D 260 490 8/28/2006 1588 8/29/2006 260 490 Quad A Quad B Quad C Quad D

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SOUTH CAROLINA EVENING....again, not much of an opp yet, but it will come around:

 Quad A Quad B Quad C Quad D Quadrant Bet Win DrawDown 7/30/2006 8806 7/31/2006 3433 8/1/2006 9973 8/2/2006 5351 8/3/2006 0084 8/4/2006 9201 A 8/5/2006 6604 8/6/2006 3713 8/7/2006 3959 8/8/2006 8570 C 8/9/2006 6040 8/10/2006 0883 8/11/2006 2677 8/12/2006 2721 8/13/2006 1867 C 8/14/2006 3734 8/15/2006 3983 8/16/2006 7880 8/17/2006 2079 B 8/18/2006 3503 8/19/2006 6842 8/20/2006 0153 B 8/21/2006 8275 8/22/2006 7280 B 8/23/2006 7451 D 8/24/2006 4269 A 8/25/2006 4592 A 8/26/2006 3677 A 8/27/2006 3301 A 8/28/2006 5845 A 8/29/2006 6071 A A 165 210 165 210

The North Carolina Education Lottery - so much a joke that here are their mascots:

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