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Win D

I believe the answer to the coin toss question -- If I am reading your question correctly is how many coin tosses to achieve a 99% degree of certainly with a P 1/2. 

I believe the answer is 6.  Am I close?

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    Win D

    I believe the answer to the coin toss question -- If I am reading your question correctly is how many coin tosses to achieve a 99% degree of certainly with a P 1/2. 

    I believe the answer is 6.  Am I close?

    Floridian

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     Well ....  it's a long subject for me to get into here. If you do a search on the Math forum....there is plenty of stuff in there to enjoy on that ..... Big Subject.. and view points..LOL  

    You would be amazed how many tosses there are in just 1% that can mess up your head and your betting.

     Until then,.... here is a basic odds formula for you on the 50/50 odds and probabilities.

      You know the odds of a coin toss resulting in heads are 1/2 = 2:1. right?  The odds of two consecutive tosses both resulting in heads are 1/2 x 1/2 = 4:1. The odds of three consecutive tosses all resulting in heads are 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 8:1

      As far as my playing needs go ....and setting target plays .....

      When you get up into the 7,8,9 in a row area.... that's where I like to start. I usually plan on a Maximum Win Target of 3...maybe 4 days (depending).  Then... I am outa there.  

      When you consider 7 in a row is 108:1 ......and 8 in a row is 216:1 ......  then 9 in a row at 432:1 ....that is just fine ...and plenty good enough for me and my little plays. LOL 

      If one goes around only looking for 99% deals in these games ..... I found out you will only get to play once or twice a year maybe. LOL    They are rare and hard to find and frankly I don't trust them after 10 in a row. They are "world record perverts" or something like that .... usually.

      By the way...One of my favorite saying after years of playing these games is this....

        " Probability happens twice as often as they say it does" ...especilally when you got money on it!  LOL 

     

     

    The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                  Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                  Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                           Win d    

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       I don't know Keith...It still seems huge.... for me it just seems too big to handle or bet on. Now ...maybe a Syndicate or betting club group could use it in a long track profit play.

       It does seem like a good thing to have for kind of a "LONG Range Radar or Early warning system set up. ...for a smaller group.

      Knowing me I'm overlooking something. The Singles chart hurts my head as small as it is. Pick 4 is a big darn game. 

       It surprises me how long a quadrant can go missing for 12 ,13 or 14 days. I guess if a 50/50 can go missing for 7,8,9 or 10 draws...a 1n4 can go blank for almost 2 times that ...right?

       Yep....  for me I would llike to play around with something I can relate to on an individual play level ... at least in the early studies.

        You mentioned the Zero/one chart deal. If we had a Singles Chart at the top under each Sum .. then.... then we had all the  Doubles Zero /one right under it using the same 10 sums. 

       

       In other words....  Both charts ...one on top of the other but still in Quad formation a,b,c,d . That way you could play Doubles Game as an option.  It would be balanced and in sink with each other. If the user wanted to consider doubles to include or not.    

      Chaz

      If you can put this chart up for me, I will put it in a format like the giga-sized one from earlier. They we can work it from there.

       

      Keith

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        Okay...here is SINGLES ONLY and I balanced them...should look a little better for you:

         

        A0A1A2A3A4 B5B6B7B8B9
        01270128012901390149 01590123012401250126
        01360137013801480158 01680169017901340135
        01450146014701570167 02490178026901890234
        02350236015602380239 02580259027802790289
        03890245023702470248 02670268035903690379
        04790489024602560257 03480349036803780469
        05690579034503460347 03570358045804590478
        05780678058912370356 04560367046704680568
        12341235123612461238 12390457125905671279
        12891389124513451247 12481249126812691369
        3467 3568 4569  4679 4789 
                   
                   
        C0C1C2C3C4 D5D6D7D8D9
        13791479067906891256 12571258134912781378
        14691569148915891346 13471267135813591459
        14781578157916792345 13561348136713681468
        15682379167824890789 23461357145714581567
        23692469238925791689 17891456234814672359
        23782478247926782589 26892347235723492368
        24592568256934792679 35892356245623582458
        24683459257835693489 36792789378923672467
        25673468346935783579 45793689468924573457
        34583567347845683678 46784589567934565789
         6789 4567  4578 5678 5689

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          And the progressions:

           

          DrawSGL BetUnitDBL BetUnitTPL BetUnitIf LossIf SGL WinIf DBL WinIf TPL WinQuadrant ASGL Only
          1$53 1--------($53)$322 ----Quadrant D
          2$53 1--------($106)$269 ----
          3$53 1--------($159)$216 ----
          4$53 1--------($212)$163 ----
          5$53 1--------($265)$110 ----
          6$53 1--------($318)$57 ----
          7$53 1--------($371)$4 ----
          8$106 2--------($477)$273 ----
          9$106 2--------($583)$167 ----
          10$106 2--------($689)$61 ----
          11$159 3--------($848)$277 ----
          12$159 3--------($1,007)$118 ----
          13$212 4--------($1,219)$281 ----
          14$212 4--------($1,431)$69 ----
          15$265 5--------($1,696)$179 ----
          16$318 6--------($2,014)$236 ----
          17$371 7--------($2,385)$240 ----
          18$424 8--------($2,809)$191 ----
          19$477 9--------($3,286)$89 ----
          20$583 11--------($3,869)$256 ----
          21$689 13--------($4,558)$317 ----
          22$795 15--------($5,353)$272 ----
          23$901 17--------($6,254)$121 ----
          24$1,060 20--------($7,314)$186 ----
          25$1,219 23--------($8,533)$92 ----
          26$1,431 27--------($9,964)$161 ----
          27$1,643 31--------($11,607)$18 ----
          28$1,961 37--------($13,568)$307 ----
          29$2,279 43--------($15,847)$278 ----
          30$2,650 50--------($18,497)$253 ----
          DrawSGL BetUnitDBL BetUnitTPL BetUnitIf LossIf SGL WinIf DBL WinIf TPL WinQuadrant BSGL Only
          1$52 1--------($52)$323 ----Quadrant C
          2$52 1--------($104)$271 ----
          3$52 1--------($156)$219 ----
          4$52 1--------($208)$167 ----
          5$52 1--------($260)$115 ----
          6$52 1--------($312)$63 ----
          7$52 1--------($364)$11 ----
          8$104 2--------($468)$282 ----
          9$104 2--------($572)$178 ----
          10$104 2--------($676)$74 ----
          11$156 3--------($832)$293 ----
          12$156 3--------($988)$137 ----
          13$208 4--------($1,196)$304 ----
          14$208 4--------($1,404)$96 ----
          15$260 5--------($1,664)$211 ----
          16$312 6--------($1,976)$274 ----
          17$364 7--------($2,340)$285 ----
          18$416 8--------($2,756)$244 ----
          19$468 9--------($3,224)$151 ----
          20$520 10--------($3,744)$6 ----
          21$624 12--------($4,368)$132 ----
          22$728 14--------($5,096)$154 ----
          23$832 16--------($5,928)$72 ----
          24$988 19--------($6,916)$209 ----
          25$1,144 22--------($8,060)$190 ----
          26$1,300 25--------($9,360)$15 ----
          27$1,508 29--------($10,868)$7 ----
          28$1,768 34--------($12,636)$114 ----
          29$2,080 40--------($14,716)$284 ----
          30$2,392 46--------($17,108)$142 ----

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            OHIO EVENING test...not bad...a small drawdown compared to the other chart...just not as much profit...but very manageable:

             

            Quad A
            Quad B
            Quad C
            Quad D
              QuadrantBetWinDrawDown
            7/25/20068664    
            7/26/20060504    
            7/27/20069614C   
            7/28/20060255    
            7/29/20065284D   
            7/31/20060469BA  
            8/1/20063273 A  
            8/2/20067419CA  
            8/3/20063925DA  
            8/4/20061524AA110265
            8/5/20063612AB  
            8/7/20067681CB  
            8/8/20064732DB  
            8/9/20061463CB  
            8/10/20062895CB  
            8/11/20069419 B  
            8/12/20064019AB  
            8/14/20069615CB  
            8/15/20060734AB  
            8/16/20069460BB74676
            8/17/20068684 D  
            8/18/20069895 D  
            8/19/20067480BD  
            8/21/20069301AD  
            8/22/20065623DD110265
            8/23/20069492 C  
            8/24/20064048 C  
            8/25/20065480BC  
            8/26/20066057BC  
            8/28/20061588 C  
            8/29/2006   294676

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               Very Nice,,,, Historic ,,,, thanks Keith. A chart for doubles under neath. It would be an option to include or use it .....or not. Same Sums and cut into the 4 quads ....a,b,c,d, 

                How hard would it be to insert Horizontal lines on those Keith? We could track those hit rates too.

                0        1        2        3       4        5        6        7        8        9
                               
              0127  0128  0129  0139  0149  0159  0123  0124  0125  0126
              0136  0137  0138  0148  0158  0168  0169  0179  0134  0135
              0145  0146  0147  0157  0167  0249  0178  0269  0189  0234
              0235  0236  0156  0238  0239  0258  0259  0278  0279  0289
              1234  0245  0237  0247  0248  0267  0268  0359  0369  0379
              0389  1235  0246  0256  0257  0348  0349  0368  0378  0469
              0479  0489  0345  0346  0347  0357  0358  0458  0459  0478
              0569  0579  1236  1237  0356  0456  0367  0467  0468  0568
              0578  0678  1245  1246  1238  1239  0457  1259  0567  1279
              1289  1389  0589  1345  1247  1248  1249  1268  1269  1369      Singles
              1379  1479  0679  0689  1256  1257  1258  1349  1278  1378    No Match 
              1469  1569  1489  1589  1346  1347  1267  1358  1359  1459    210 Combos
              1478  1578  1579  1679  2345  1356  1348  1367  1368  1468    x 24
              1568  2379  1678  2489  0789  2346  1357  1457  1458  1567    =5040
              2369  2469  2389  2579  1689  1789  1456  2348  1467  2359
              2378  2478  2479  2678  2589  2689  2347  2357  2349  2368
              2459  2568  2569  3479  2679  3589  2356  2456  2358  2458
              2468  3459  2578  3569  3489  3679  2789  3789  2367  2467
              2567  3468  3469  3578  3579  4579  3689  4689  2457  3457
              3458  3567  3478  4568  3678  4678  4589  5679  3456  5789
              3467            3568            4569           4679            4789 
              6789            4567            4578            5678            5689 
                               
              0019  0029  0039  0012  0013  0014  0015  0016  0017  0018
              0028  0038  0048  0049  0059  0023  0024  0025  0026  0027
              0037  0047  0057  0058  0068  0069  0079  0034  0035  0036
              0046  0056  0228  0067  0112  0078  0114  0089  0116  0045
              0118  0119  0255  0166  0266  0113  0277  0115  0224  0117
              0226  0155  0336  0229  0338  0122  0448  0133  0233  0144  Dble Combos
              0244  0227  0499  0337  0446  0177  0466  0188  0288  0199  360 combos
              0299  0335  0688  0355  0455  0339  0556  0223  0477  0225    x12
              0334  0344  0778  0445  0699  0366  0899  0377  0558  0388  =4320
              0488  0399  1128  0599  1139  0447  1159  0449  1124  0559
              0668  0588  1137  0779  1148  0799  1168  0557  1179  0577
              0677  0669  1146  0788  1157  0889  1339  0566  1223  0667
              1126  1127  1227  1129  1229  1149  1366  1123  1377  1125
              1135  1136  1335  1138  1337  1158  1447  1169  1449  1134
              1225  1145  1344  1147  1355  1167  1799  1178  1557  1189
              1388  1226  1399  1156  1445  1266  1889  1277  1566  1224
              1559  1244  1588  1228  1599  1338  2239  1448  2259  1233
              1577  1299  1669  1255  1779  1446  2248  1466  2268  1288
              1667  1334  2235  1336  1788  1455  2257  1556  2448  1477
              2279  1488  2334  1499  2237  1699  2338  1899  2466  1558
              2477  1668  2488  1688  2246  2238  2446  2249  2556  2269
              2558  1677  2668  1778  2336  2247  2455  2258  2899  2278
              3359  2234  2677  2236  2499  2256  2699  2267  3348  2377
              3368  2289  3379  2245  2688  2337  3346  2339  3357  2449
              3449  2388  3559  2335  2778  2355  3445  2366  3447  2557
              3557  2559  3577  2344  3588  2445  3599  2447  3799  2566
              3566  2577  3667  2399  3669  2599  3779  2799  3889  3349
              4457  2667  4459  2588  4479  2779  3788  2889  4699  3358
              4556  3369  4468  2669  4668  2788  4688  3347  5779  3367
              4899  3378  4558  3389  4677  3345  4778  3356  5788  3448
              5799  3477  6899  3488  5568  3499  5579  3446  6679  3466
              5889  3558  7889  3668  5667  3688  5669  3455  6778  3556
                        4458           3677            3778            3699            3899
                        4467            4469           4489            4599            4456
                        4557            4478            4588            4779            4799
                        4566            4559            4669            4788            4889
                        5899            4577           5569            5589            5699
                        6799            4667            5578            5688            6689
                        6889            5567            5668            5778            6779
                        7789            7899            5677            6678            6788

               

               

              The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                            Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                            Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                     Win d    

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                SOUTH CAROLINA EVENING test....smaller profits, but very manageable as well. I mean, I would take $114 x 48 draws = $5,472 per month anyday, tax-free, wouldn't you? :

                 

                Quad A
                Quad B
                Quad C
                Quad D
                  QuadrantBetWinDrawDown
                7/30/20068806    
                7/31/20063433    
                8/1/20069973    
                8/2/20065351    
                8/3/20060084    
                8/4/20069201A   
                8/5/20066604    
                8/6/20063713    
                8/7/20063959    
                8/8/20068570A   
                8/9/20066040    
                8/10/20060883    
                8/11/20062677    
                8/12/20062721    
                8/13/20061867C   
                8/14/20063734    
                8/15/20063983    
                8/16/20067880    
                8/17/20062079B   
                8/18/20063503 D  
                8/19/20066842CD  
                8/20/20060153BD  
                8/21/20068275CD  
                8/22/20067280BD  
                8/23/20067451DD57318
                8/24/20064269CA  
                8/25/20064592CA  
                8/26/20063677 A  
                8/27/20063301 A  
                8/28/20065845 A  
                8/29/20066071AA57318
                114318

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                  I guess what I meant was taking the singles, doubles and triples together with a 0 and/or 1 in them.

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                    Yep.... and that was a light month for SC. with only 12 Single number days. Should run more like 15 or so.... single number days per month.

                     

                     Keith just saw your post about Zero/one's . If I understand ...  Yes ,,sure. It might be better to keep them seperate but centered under each other ....so as to use them or include them as an option. But you could still track them on the side ... maybe  

                     Hope I'm getting the idea of it.  

                     

                     

                    The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                  Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                  Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                           Win d    

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                      It could work out really well eventually.

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                        Okay...drum roll please....here is the singles chart with only 0 and/or 1 in them. I balanced it out a little...

                         

                        A0A1A2A3A4 B5B6B7B8B9
                        01270128012901390149 01590123012401250126
                        01360137013801480158 01680169017901340135
                        01450146014701570167 02490178026901890234
                        02350236015602380239 02580259027802790289
                        03890245023702470248 02670268035903690379
                        04790489024602560257 03480349036803780469
                        05690579034503460347 03570358045804590478
                                   
                                   
                        C0C1C2C3C4 D5D6D7D8D9
                        05780678058912370356 04560367046704680568
                        12341235123612461238 12390457125905671279
                        12891389124513451247 12481249126812691369
                        13791479067906891256 12571258134912781378
                        14691569148915891346 13471267135813591459
                        14781578157916790789 13561348136713681468
                        15681456167814671689 17891357145714581567

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                          And now...the progression:

                           

                          DrawSGL BetUnitDBL BetUnitTPL BetUnitIf LossIf SGL WinIf DBL WinIf TPL WinZero/One SGL
                          1$35 1--------($35)$340 ----
                          2$35 1--------($70)$305 ----
                          3$35 1--------($105)$270 ----
                          4$35 1--------($140)$235 ----
                          5$35 1--------($175)$200 ----
                          6$35 1--------($210)$165 ----
                          7$35 1--------($245)$130 ----
                          8$70 2--------($315)$435 ----
                          9$70 2--------($385)$365 ----
                          10$70 2--------($455)$295 ----
                          11$105 3--------($560)$565 ----
                          12$105 3--------($665)$460 ----
                          13$140 4--------($805)$695 ----
                          14$140 4--------($945)$555 ----
                          15$175 5--------($1,120)$755 ----
                          16$210 6--------($1,330)$920 ----
                          17$245 7--------($1,575)$1,050 ----
                          18$280 8--------($1,855)$1,145 ----
                          19$315 9--------($2,170)$1,205 ----
                          20$350 10--------($2,520)$1,230 ----
                          21$420 12--------($2,940)$1,560 ----
                          22$490 14--------($3,430)$1,820 ----
                          23$560 16--------($3,990)$2,010 ----
                          24$665 19--------($4,655)$2,470 ----
                          25$770 22--------($5,425)$2,825 ----
                          26$875 25--------($6,300)$3,075 ----
                          27$1,015 29--------($7,315)$3,560 ----
                          28$1,190 34--------($8,505)$4,245 ----
                          29$1,400 40--------($9,905)$5,095 ----
                          30$1,610 46--------($11,515)$5,735 ----

                          The North Carolina Education Lottery - so much a joke that here are their mascots:

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                            Posted: August 30, 2006, 2:21 pm - IP Logged

                            OHIO Evening...not bad here either:

                             

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                            The North Carolina Education Lottery - so much a joke that here are their mascots:

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                              The Carolinas - Charlotte
                              United States
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                              Posted: August 30, 2006, 2:30 pm - IP Logged

                              SOUTH CAROLINA EVENING....again, not much of an opp yet, but it will come around:

                               

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                              8/28/20065845 A  
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                              The North Carolina Education Lottery - so much a joke that here are their mascots:

                              Stooges