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If Your State Pre-Test's its Draws List it here

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lotterybraker's avatar - pyramid
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Posted: March 23, 2007, 1:12 pm - IP Logged

I would like to know what other states that pre-test their draws and puts those pre-tests results on their website..I want to do a little more  research on this...

"Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

    bobby623's avatar - abstract
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    Posted: March 23, 2007, 2:00 pm - IP Logged

    Add Texas

    4 combinations for Pick 3, Texas Two Step and Cash5.

    6 combinations for Lotto Texas.

     

    Mega Millions folks don't have pretests. They have a formula they use to determine if the balls are being picked on a random basis.

    The pretests are posted before the actual drawing, but not soon enough for anyone to use the data in any analysis they might be doing.

      justxploring's avatar - villiarna
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      Posted: March 23, 2007, 2:43 pm - IP Logged

      Just out of curiosity I used Google and got this from the Calif Lottery FAQs.  I am highlighting in red what really bothers me about the claim that pre-tests ensure randomness.  Are they saying that a HUMAN makes a decision on what he thinks looks kosher?  I mean, what if your numbers are 1-2-3-4-5-6 and he thinks "that's unbelievable" or the number 25 is drawn 5 consecutive times.  So what? Isn't that what random means, that is, anything can happen. 

      From Wikipedia:  Random: "used to express lack of purpose, cause, order, or predictability..."

       

      "An independent statistician reviews all results of pre-test draws and actual draws to further ensure ongoing randomness. The statistician and the Lottery's Internal Audits Office keep track of draw results to make sure no numbers come up more often than they should -- statistically speaking!"

       

      Interesting that they use an automated draw machine for other games like pick-5.

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        Posted: March 23, 2007, 5:03 pm - IP Logged

        I got this off the Missouri lottery site.

        In addition to the daily random-number pre-tests conducted by the draw manager and independent auditor, the Lottery’s security division also conducts monthly checks on the system to ensure randomness

        Man, no wonder it's so hard to get anything in MO. They pretest every day and have monthly checks. I wonder how many numbers we lose to these pretest? Plus they use three different computers.

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          Posted: March 23, 2007, 5:06 pm - IP Logged

          Tennessee  has 3 pretest draws for cash 3 and 3 for cash4 before each drawing, I have emailed asking how I can get the results, no answer as of yet. I will email again.

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            Posted: March 23, 2007, 5:28 pm - IP Logged

            yeah..I kinda figured as much..They dont want anyone to be able to accurately track numbers and get an advantage that will cost them some money..that is all bull crap..they are intentionally messing up the NATURAL ORDER of arrangement of the numbers so you cant get track anything with consistence...There is no telling how many times we all have had the right numbers selected only to have them show in the pretest and lose money because of them idiots..

            Then they will tell you we have to check the machines to make sure they are working properly..for example Texas..THEY TEST THEIR lotto SIX TIMES....SIX TIMES..does it take six times to test anything..

             I will still say it is to mess up the natural order of arrangement for the numbers so NOONE can accurately track them to gain a numerical advantage..to me..no matter what way you look at it..That is Cheating...they are manipulating the outcome for each and every draw on each and every game..

            "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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              Posted: March 23, 2007, 6:16 pm - IP Logged

              I also sent the MO lottery an email requesting a copy of pretest numbers. We'll see if they bother to respond.

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                Posted: March 23, 2007, 6:18 pm - IP Logged

                In addition to the daily random-number pre-tests conducted by the draw manager and independent auditor, the Lottery’s security division also conducts monthly checks on the system to ensure randomness

                 

                Kayee..you should call them and ask this guy where are the damn numbers at..lol

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                  Posted: March 23, 2007, 6:37 pm - IP Logged

                  Hello LP Members,

                  Does anyone know about ILLINOIS??? Or how I can find out?? Also, will they give the info on how many ball sets they have?? (any past threads??)

                   thanks,

                  ZEN

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                    Posted: March 23, 2007, 6:38 pm - IP Logged

                    I would think all state pretest, I can't imagine any state having a live drawing with no idea of how their equipment is working.  Whether they post them or not, all states pretest their drawing equipment.

                    Just last week Ohio couldn't complete a drawing on its TV show because a ball got stucked in the chute, I'm sure they had pretests to avoid such incidents happening during the live show.

                     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                       
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                      Posted: March 23, 2007, 6:38 pm - IP Logged

                      "An independent statistician reviews all results of pre-test draws and actual draws to further ensure ongoing randomness. The statistician and the Lottery's Internal Audits Office keep track of draw results to make sure no numbers come up more often than they should -- statistically speaking!"

                      Interesting, this part of the statement, "come up more often than they should", implies a level of predictability.

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                        Posted: March 23, 2007, 7:11 pm - IP Logged

                        the idea that some people play the same numbers all the time that has never hit a straight bothers me also..to think that those numbers they have been playing a long time..AND THEY THINK that has never came out..actuallymay or may not have came out in a pre-test bothers me..I dont think that is Random anymore..that is Numerical Manipulation..in actuality there is no telling how long it takes to complete an actual sequence for digits and pairs because they have screwed up the natural process..even the entire set of 1000 combinations could have a much shorter time frame ..any body any ping pong machines around their house they could hook up to a leaf blower and do some testing..LOL

                        "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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                          Posted: March 23, 2007, 7:14 pm - IP Logged

                          ..AND THEY THINK that has never came out..actuallymay or may not have came out in a pre-test bothers me.

                           

                          Moi aussi!!  Maybe my "strategy" has been really wrong.  For all I know, all 4 of my combinations have been drawn at one time or another! 


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                            Posted: March 23, 2007, 7:29 pm - IP Logged

                            I've been talking about pre-tests and the tube shuffle for years now. What a bunch of greedy crooks they are.

                            http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/151081/775236?q=pretests

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                              Posted: March 23, 2007, 7:34 pm - IP Logged

                              I've been talking about pre-tests and the tube shuffle for years now. What a bunch of greedy crooks they are.

                              http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/151081/775236?q=pretests

                              you are absolutely right Pacattack05...

                              "Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"