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Posted: May 2, 2007, 2:43 am - IP Logged

This is one of my blogs on myspace...This is how i feel... 

Hackers are very Dumb, very slow...Why don't hackers save all that energy and try to hack the lottery, which would be perfectly legal? Why don't computer hackers become lottery hackers or gambling hackers? Because they are mentally challenged...I heard a hacker brag about him having i think it was 500K in his account...But i know is not true...Why don't hackers hack for Example "Powerball" or Florida's MegaMoney, which pays 500K a draw? Why not create a kick butt software with hot custom made wheels that will ace PowerBall.... Why go and hack corporations, gov. Facilities knowing that it will give you 15 to 25 years in Prison...Not to mention the licking and screwing they are going to give you in Prison..I don't understand...

Years ago, i created a hot wheel and i won Va's Cash5, twice and it paid 50,000 dollars each time (1 one day, and 3 days later)...Unfortunately i didn't play it because i didn't and don't live in Va...That same year I did the same thing with WVa's CAsh25, and theoretically won 25,000 (i don't live in WVa either)...Is not much, but the good  thing about WVa's Cash25 is that if you replicate the winning ticket 10 times you get 250,000 dollars...If you replicate the winning ticket 2 times you get 50K, if you replicate it 4 times you get 100K, and so on...And that's FOR EVERY DRAW, and there is almost a draw EVERY DAY...And i did it with 63 dollars(WVa) and Va cost me like around 100 dollars...What i did was wheel my numbers...You are going to tell me a hacker can't do it, when hackers have done things that are much clever than that?  One time a hacker for example hack into CryptoLogic Inc (a company that's involved with encryption for the gaming industry) and CRACKED a gaming server...Now that calls for ingenuity...That's like a thousand/million times harder than winning the lottery...I think CryptoLOgic is one of the encryption companies that have a RNG generating the password which is numbers mixed with letter (like 10 of them) every 60 seconds or every hour...Now HOW DO YOU CRACK THAT...And yet a hacker did it....Why not take all that energy/time and hack the lottery, like Powerball & FL's MegaMOney...

And i believe that if you had knowledge of a lotto wheel's code/rule and you were aware of the small patterns the lottery gives off/show you could ace any lottery...Not talking about hackers only in the lottery but in sport betting/gambling...What about lotto games that are based on sport/soccer (abroad like in Italy and i think Hungary, Sweeden, etc)...I wish they had those games here...(where you sort of have to bet on a soccer team)...But again that's just me..Hackers are mentally challenged...

And hackers are slow because instead of uniting and demanding that each government put in each country a lottery similar to WVa's Cash25 and Va's Cash5, they don't (in Va Cash5 for 50Cents and 25Cents, but more exactly like WVa's Cash25 and with the same payouts as this States) ; so that hackers, can have sort of speak a fountain where to drink water or live their American Dream and not do evil things to get water (symbolically speaking)...I mean I don't think Finland has a stock market and if it did, it wouldn't be even 1% as productive as US's...

It doesn't pay to be a hacker..One time i think they were 2 hackers that from Russias i think it was windle 70 million dollars from British Publishing Company(ies) and they later got caught...It doesn't pay to be a hacker...And yet they do it...And they to damn greedy too and dumb...Because what i am going to do with 70 million dollars? Why wring out that much money when i think a baby knows that when you MOVE such A LARGE quantity of money, questions are going to be asked and it raises concern...Why can they just wait for Powerball to climb to 50 million and nock it down with your/one's smoking custom-wheel or system...I like hackers but i think they are dumb...Why i like hackers? Because if you seen the movie "Swordfish" you will see that hackers try to guess/predict the 3, 4, 5, 6 letter word password at a given time...Similar to what i try to do and that is to guess/predict the 6 number combination password (powerball) at a given time called Powerball lol...

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    Why don't hackers save all that energy and try to hack the lottery, which would be perfectly legal?

    What?

    Hacking is a felony in the United States and most other countries around the world. 


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      Hacking into someone's computer is totally different than trying to break the code of chaos. Hacking is a process that has been successfully made into a science. Lottery manipulation for one's own success on a regular basis is still in it's infancy.

       

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        Why don't hackers save all that energy and try to hack the lottery, which would be perfectly legal?

        What?

        Hacking is a felony in the United States and most other countries around the world. 

        When i said "hacking the lottery" I mean Hacking Powerball & FL's MegaMOney" for example...I don't mean hacking the lottery computers or the lottery building, i meant cracking/hacking the lotto combinations/password...

         

         

        "The truth is out there"                        from movie "The X-Files"

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          When i said "hacking the lottery" I mean Hacking Powerball & FL's MegaMOney" for example...I don't mean hacking the lottery computers or the lottery building, i meant cracking/hacking the lotto combinations/password...

           

           

          "The truth is out there"                        from movie "The X-Files"

          Simply, it cannot be done.

          How in the _ _ _ _  do you think that a computer can be hacked / manipulated / cajoled / stroked / made love to /  to tell you which of the ping pong balls will come out of the chute ?

          Simply, it cannot be done.

           

                                         

                        

           

           

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            Simply, it cannot be done.

            How in the _ _ _ _  do you think that a computer can be hacked / manipulated / cajoled / stroked / made love to /  to tell you which of the ping pong balls will come out of the chute ?

            Simply, it cannot be done.

            Well, then...why are we are here?

            Tell ya what DD, My guess is, is that you're disgusted.

            Probably, because they put a new automatic shuffling machine at the Blackjack Table, replacing the burn pile, and draw pile

            the cards are constantly shuffled, making card counting impossible to do. You dont know whether raise your hand, if you think its a going to be a positive deck or lower it if its a negative deck. With that new automatic card shuffler, you'll never ever ever know what's going to be spit out of that machine.. 

            and just making everything all messed up for people who want to try and beat the casino at the table.

            SO I gave up blackjack...I gave up earlier cause I messed up Spanish 21, but that's another story.

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              You are right about that blackjack , Viceroy... It does make it hard to count when they keep shuffling...

               

              But you do see my point about computers vs. a ball draw, right ?

               

                                             

                            

               

               

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                Pumpi, and anyone else here who is trying to redefine "hacking"  - you can call a horse a cow but you still can't make it moo.  Hacking is defined as accessing information without proper authorization, from a computer. It doesn't matter if it's from a college database to access an exam or the CIA.  It's still illegal.  One obviously has more serious consequences than the other, but both of them are punishable by Law.

                If you are talking about figuring out combinations that might win based on the wheels, spreadsheets and other mathematical or scientific theories discussed on this board, it isn't hacking.  It is using numbers and patterns to come up with a reasonable combination that has a shot at hitting the jackpot. 

                As DoubleDown wrote, it's not possible.  The reason is because the event has not taken place.  If you were to hack into my computer and steal information, it's because it already exists.  The draw for the game this week or next hasn't taken place yet.  If the winning numbers are not picked by a computerized drawing, then what you are saying, Pumpi, just isn't possible.  Also, there are several pre-tests run before the actual televised drawing.  Every second that the balls are blown around and just one fraction of a second that the person who opens the chute waits will have an effect on which number is picked. 

                "Well, then...why are we are here?"

                That's an easy one to answer.  Because we're all a little nuts!  Seriously, in my wildest dreams I never imagined that we are on LP to discuss how we can hack into a State Lottery's central computer.  Anyway, even if it were possible to mess with the system, you can't enjoy all that money in prison.

                The New Hacker's Dictionary has the following definitions:

                1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary.
                2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming.
                3. A person capable of appreciating hack value.
                4. A person who is good at programming quickly.
                5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does work using it or on it.
                6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker, for example.
                7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations.
                8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive information by poking around. Hence 'password hacker', 'network hacker'. The correct term for this sense is cracker.

                I wish I understood what you mean by hackers are dumb, Pumpi.  I see a lot of descriptions about how a hacker might be viewed, but nothing at all indicates they are stupid.

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                  Pumpi, and anyone else here who is trying to redefine "hacking"  - you can call a horse a cow but you still can't make it moo.  Hacking is defined as accessing information without proper authorization, from a computer. It doesn't matter if it's from a college database to access an exam or the CIA.  It's still illegal.  One obviously has more serious consequences than the other, but both of them are punishable by Law.

                  If you are talking about figuring out combinations that might win based on the wheels, spreadsheets and other mathematical or scientific theories discussed on this board, it isn't hacking.  It is using numbers and patterns to come up with a reasonable combination that has a shot at hitting the jackpot. 

                  As DoubleDown wrote, it's not possible.  The reason is because the event has not taken place.  If you were to hack into my computer and steal information, it's because it already exists.  The draw for the game this week or next hasn't taken place yet.  If the winning numbers are not picked by a computerized drawing, then what you are saying, Pumpi, just isn't possible.  Also, there are several pre-tests run before the actual televised drawing.  Every second that the balls are blown around and just one fraction of a second that the person who opens the chute waits will have an effect on which number is picked. 

                  "Well, then...why are we are here?"

                  That's an easy one to answer.  Because we're all a little nuts!  Seriously, in my wildest dreams I never imagined that we are on LP to discuss how we can hack into a State Lottery's central computer.  Anyway, even if it were possible to mess with the system, you can't enjoy all that money in prison.

                  The New Hacker's Dictionary has the following definitions:

                  1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary.
                  2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming.
                  3. A person capable of appreciating hack value.
                  4. A person who is good at programming quickly.
                  5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does work using it or on it.
                  6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker, for example.
                  7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations.
                  8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive information by poking around. Hence 'password hacker', 'network hacker'. The correct term for this sense is cracker.

                  I wish I understood what you mean by hackers are dumb, Pumpi.  I see a lot of descriptions about how a hacker might be viewed, but nothing at all indicates they are stupid.

                  Hurray!  Thanks JXP

                   

                  I concur and I also agree  Naughty

                   

                                                 

                                

                   

                   

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                    Hurray!  Thanks JXP

                     

                    I concur and I also agree  Naughty

                    Thanks, DoubleDown, but I also contradicted myself a little.  I meant to edit my comment, but ran out of time since I am actually working today and the phone rang.

                     Bang Head

                    So I suppose the word "hacker" these days can also refer to someone who isn't committing a crime.   I still stand firm on my belief that a person cannot hack into the lottery's computer to win a game where balls are drawn, and also that people who can program or create codes aren't slow or dumb. 

                    You can go to the site, but another quote from The New Hacker's Dictionary states:

                    "Hacking might be characterized as `an appropriate application of ingenuity'. Whether the result is a quick-and-dirty patchwork job or a carefully crafted work of art, you have to admire the cleverness that went into it. "

                    So I guess if it's just a prank, it's not considered as malicious or punishable by Law.  I'm not an expert (which I always admit) but in this day & age I'd be awfully careful what I access online.  Big Brother is watching!!

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                      You are right about that blackjack , Viceroy... It does make it hard to count when they keep shuffling...

                       

                      But you do see my point about computers vs. a ball draw, right ?

                      I do...

                      Like someone could possibly  'hack' into the bubble machine and alter the wind or something?

                      Or perhaps make the chute open just when they wanted too?

                      Not likely.... but thinkable,  i guess


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                        Hey pumpi...

                        A while back I bought a so called method of making very easy money in the lottery. It cost me 60 bucks. At the time, I didn't know this guy was, and still to this day ( I don't know how he still gets away with this) is being allowed to sell his illegal method.

                        I think he gets away with it, because he has a disclaimer at the end of his report saying that he, in no way is advocating breaking the law. This is after a very detailed explanation on how to hack the system...What?

                        It was basically a way to hack into the main frame of the lottery office headquarters.Bang Head 

                        I know you didn't mean to say how to hack into the computer, but it just reminded me of the subject. I should have listened to Todd.Bang Head

                        http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/115894/4

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                          Why don't hackers save all that energy and try to hack the lottery, which would be perfectly legal?

                          What?

                          Hacking is a felony in the United States and most other countries around the world. 

                          I agree 100%

                          One day I will Hit BIG!!

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                            Draw Room

                            This is a quote from the Missouri Lottery's website(picture is above):

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                            The Lottery’s computerized drawing system, which was implemented on July 19, 2004, uses new technology to select the numbers for the Numbers Games.

                            The computerized system software, named ODDS (Online Daily Draw System), is housed in a secure draw room in Jefferson City. These draw computers are not connected to the Internet or any other network source. The room has no other phone or data lines from which to send or receive information.

                            The system is operated by a Lottery employee draw manager in the presence of an independent auditor.  The draw manager conducts pre-tests for all games to ensure the system is working properly.Only then will the drawings take place. The system is designed to permit only one drawing per game per draw date.

                            Only designated Missouri Lottery drawing personnel and an independent auditor are allowed in the room during a drawing. Every drawing is monitored by  special motion-activated video cameras which videotape every action on the draw computer and in the drawing room.

                            Access to this room is further limited by a finger print reader that allows only designated draw personnel to enter the room. Furthermore, the PC used to draw the numbers is randomly selected from a field of three before the draw. These PCs also use finger print recognition to begin the draw. Consequently, only designated draw personnel will be able to use the drawing PCs. In addition to the motion-activated video cameras in the draw room, there is a server that records all of the key strokes made for each drawing. This room includes large windows on two sides where the public and other Lottery personnel can view the drawings.

                            There is also a procedure the draw managers use (a seal-like software), which shows that no draws have been conducted since the last draw.

                            In addition, the Lottery’s draw system has undergone numerous independent tests and certifications to guarantee randomness. A statistics professor from the University of Missouri- Columbia and an independent testing lab for gaming regulators certified the Lottery’s ODDS software, random-number generator, draw procedures and security of the draw room. In addition to the daily random-number pre-tests conducted by the draw manager and independent auditor, the Lottery’s security division also conducts monthly checks on the system to ensure randomness.

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                              Draw Room

                              This is a quote from the Missouri Lottery's website(picture is above):

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                              The Lottery’s computerized drawing system, which was implemented on July 19, 2004, uses new technology to select the numbers for the Numbers Games.

                              The computerized system software, named ODDS (Online Daily Draw System), is housed in a secure draw room in Jefferson City. These draw computers are not connected to the Internet or any other network source. The room has no other phone or data lines from which to send or receive information.

                              The system is operated by a Lottery employee draw manager in the presence of an independent auditor.  The draw manager conducts pre-tests for all games to ensure the system is working properly.Only then will the drawings take place. The system is designed to permit only one drawing per game per draw date.

                              Only designated Missouri Lottery drawing personnel and an independent auditor are allowed in the room during a drawing. Every drawing is monitored by  special motion-activated video cameras which videotape every action on the draw computer and in the drawing room.

                              Access to this room is further limited by a finger print reader that allows only designated draw personnel to enter the room. Furthermore, the PC used to draw the numbers is randomly selected from a field of three before the draw. These PCs also use finger print recognition to begin the draw. Consequently, only designated draw personnel will be able to use the drawing PCs. In addition to the motion-activated video cameras in the draw room, there is a server that records all of the key strokes made for each drawing. This room includes large windows on two sides where the public and other Lottery personnel can view the drawings.

                              There is also a procedure the draw managers use (a seal-like software), which shows that no draws have been conducted since the last draw.

                              In addition, the Lottery’s draw system has undergone numerous independent tests and certifications to guarantee randomness. A statistics professor from the University of Missouri- Columbia and an independent testing lab for gaming regulators certified the Lottery’s ODDS software, random-number generator, draw procedures and security of the draw room. In addition to the daily random-number pre-tests conducted by the draw manager and independent auditor, the Lottery’s security division also conducts monthly checks on the system to ensure randomness.

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                              I have seen all those statements by computerized lotteries.  To any good programmer it really BS, because any code inserted into the process would be hidden until it needs to operate, and then it would delete itself. 

                              There is a simple fact about computerized drawings:  there is absolutely NO WAY to be 100% sure that it is not rigged.

                              On the other hand, traditional lottery drawings CAN be examined to be sure they are not rigged.

                               

                              Check the State Lottery Report Card
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