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Aug 31, 2007, 8:19 pm (21 comments)
Strange drawing results come right after revelation of weeks of flawed drawings
The Tennessee Lottery's Cash 3 game had the exact same winning number in both the midday and evening drawings Thursday.
Kym Gerlock, vice president of communications for the Tennessee Lottery, said the reappearance of number 940 was random chance.
"It was not an error. It's rare, but it does happen," Gerlock said. "Each drawing is a totally separate instance and one is not related to another."
Gerlock said not only are the numbers randomly generated by computers, but there is a drawing to see which of two computers will be used to produce the winning number. She said the fact that the same number came up may not be that extraordinary.
"I know it's certainly happened in other jurisdictions," she said.
The reoccurrence seemed suspect to Walter Witwer of Oak Ridge, who blames the lottery's use of computerized number generation instead of pingpong balls.
"That happened without us authorizing it," Witwer said of the switch.
He says he alerted the lottery that the Cash 3, Cash 4 and Lotto 5 games were shortchanging lottery players.
The random number generators did not permit numbers with recurring digits, like 772 or 233 to win, even though people could play the numbers.
"After a month's time they found it," Witwer said. "The Tennessee Lottery to me is being run by a lot of crooks ... Pretty hard to do, to have the same number come up twice like that in the Tennessee Lottery."
Knoxville News Sentinel, Lottery Post Staff
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Gosh. I'm sure glad they explained that "random chance" thing!
Probably explains the rash of doubles after the first "glitch" surfaced..
Pete
Pete,
I feel bad for you in Tennessee. Things were going so well with the lottery.
Wash. DC uses RNG also here is a few occurrences i found. It does happen and can happen with ball drawings as well as RNG's
The drawing below are from Washington DC which uses RNG
if im reading your post correctly the repeat happened in DC on consecutive days but in tennessee it was actually the same day one midday and one evening.
yes i know it happened on the same day in Tennessee it's a lot of work to check these things manually i just wanted to give an example.
I know it has happened somewhere else that uses RNG.
It not a big deal. Tennessee paid real good on the number that day.
I am not for RNG by a long shot but people need to use their heads and remember RNG although computer generated still can draw the same identical number just like it has happened with balls.
If that drawing were a ball drawing no one would have said much about it. But because it was an Rng drawing people automatically assume that it cant happen because it's programed not to, and that's just not the case.
ALL a PSYKO can say.........is Where is SECURITY??????????
Balls can "B".........
touched, handled, smelled, weighted, measure'd (mine R small) examined
BUTT>>>>>>> some BALL's do their best work in a DARK ROOMo!o
When YOU go to VEGAS..........expect to be WATCHED........ in a "BRIGHT ROOM"!
RNG's work out of the back ROOM (in the DARK with no TRACE) O/GOD!!
here's another instance
Delaware while not on the same day it was from draw to draw. Del. is a RNG state
I lay down & my soul
too KEEP & when I WAKE UP>>>>no RNG
no RNG^^^sleep,sleep
no RNG<<<<<<<<< ^^^^^^^ <<<<<<no RNG.....RNG.....RNGo!o
What about an explanation for so many doubles after there being no doubles for so long?
Is it "random" trying to "Make-up" or maybe the State's lottery trying to "Make-up", Did they produce all those doubles "Again" on "Demand"?
The numbers outcome is manipulated so easily, on demand, as they might want to, now they know (How).
something very fishy is going on behind the scenes with the tennessee lottery.someone has their hands in the money jar.we will never know or will we?
The reoccurrence seemed suspect to Walter Witwer of Oak Ridge, who blames the lottery's use of computerized number generation instead of pingpong balls.
"That happened without us authorizing it," Witwer said of the switch.
Well DUH ! Where did he get the idea that the LC has to get permission from the players to do anything ? It's the government !
It's like that commercial where the guy says I'm the sherriff. I can do anything I want.
Hoisted on their own pitard they are....Wonder how many other gremlins they have in their software?
Oh I believe they did explain it. They admitted there was a glitch in their RNG software, and now the game is trying to "catch up". As to all those who played doubles and lost their money.....TN basically said Tough noogies.
Of course, the glitches may not yet be over........
While they are under the microscope now is the time to let them know you oppose them using computers to draw numbers.
Everyone is looking at them with skeptical eyes every drawing they have is being closely watched. If you stop putting pressure on them to switch back to ball drawings then it'll be the peoples fault.
There are people calling for an investigation. Let your voices be heard. Email the investigators and let them know what you think about it.
I agree, all the lottery players from Tn, should unite and let your local representatives know how you feel. Email the Governor and everyone else in the decision making process. If I lived in Tn, I would have already started passing petitions around, gathering signatures. They aren't going to change anything, if the residents of Tn doesn't hammer them hard. Do nothing and you will always be stuck with knowing, you could have possibly made a difference.
If that's the case. play 313 or 940 or whatever the same numbers are.
i am playing 904 and 409 in maryland
313 has came out not long ago
I have created the full list of every time it has happened:
https://www.lotterypost.com/thread/161986
(When midday and evening numbers are equal in a state on the same draw date.)
Is it possible to designate which of those drawings is ball and which RNG? I know I could look each up, but that's alot of work. lol Plus the list goes back to 2002, and the method could have changed between then and now.
from the article:
"Kym Gerlock, vice president of communications for the Tennessee Lottery, said the reappearance of number 940 was random chance.
"It was not an error. It's rare, but it does happen," Gerlock said. "Each drawing is a totally separate instance and one is not related to another."
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And so the dance begins ...
"It's rare, but it does happen." What she should have said is, "It's rare but it does happen here, and in other states that use easily-corruptible technology."
I notice that many of you are posting examples of identical numbers that hit on consecutive days, but I have yet to see anyone who has uncovered an instance of the same number being drawn twice on the same day. I've been tracking the lotteries for many, many years, and I don't remember this happening in any state lottery (I was forced to edit this statement after seeing Todd's post in his new thread. See: "List of Each Time Midday and Evening Numbers Were Equal." Apparently, I was mistaken (*gasp*); they said my eyes would be the first to go).
Incidentally, she forgot to mention how much integrity they have, and she neglected to assure the players that the highest security measures are in place. Now, the trick is to get people playing again. They'll pay a few winners for a while, but their payouts will begin to decline rapidly soon after their sales recover to a profitable level.
I'll warn you now to watch for new Tennessee scratch-off games to be introduced at a blinding rate. Unless I'm mistaken, this should begin next month (they always seem to start in October, introducing more and more scratch-off games through the fall and winter). It's likely they'll introduce at least two new $20.00 scratch-offs, but the trend now is beginning to lean toward $50.00 and even $100.00 scratch-off games. Next, players will complain that non-existent prizes were advertised for these games, and Gerlock will make a statement saying that it was a simple oversight, that some programmer neglected to update their web site. Meanwhile, the people who spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on these games because the odds seem to favor a major win will have no hope of recovering their money.
Oh, well; we're sorry for your loss, if that helps, even though it wasn't technically our fault.
They're not going to give you a fair game if you keep playing one over which they have complete control. Would it kill you to save the money you would have spent until you've forced them to return to an honest game? That's the only weapon you have; it's your only hope of victory over a group of people who wield corruption and fraud as they would a sword and shield. RNG's, as they're used by state lotteries, are designed to "maximize profits" (read: "steal your money").
"I know the game is crooked, but it's the only game in town." As long as Tennessee players keep this attitude, they have no one to blame but themselves when Tennessee's lottery becomes a clone of Indiana's. You've been warned; you know what's coming, and yet you continue to give them your support and your money, because you're afraid you might win.
If one draws a Pick 3 game twice a day seven days a week this should occur about once every three years, or slightly less. It's only the intense scrutiny the TN Lottery Commission is under right now that makes this an issue.