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Posted: December 17, 2007, 6:28 am - IP Logged

If I have a two baskets each filled with a mix of pink buttons, blue buttons, green buttons, brown buttons, red buttons and purple buttons, I dip my hand into one basket and pull out 6 buttons and lay them flat on the table in the order that I pull them out of the basket, then log my results of each separate event, it would look like this; 

1st basket

pink,red, pink, green, green, brown

brown, red , blue, green, green red

brown, green, red, pink, brown, pink

green, purple, red, red, red, red

red, blue, green, green, pink, pink

purple, red, red, green, blue, blue

pink, red, pink, green, brown, brown

green, pink, brown, brown, pink, green 

2nd basket

pink, purple, blue, purple, purple, blue

purple, pink, blue, pink, purple, red

blue, purple, red, pink, blue, purple

pink, purple, pink, green, green, blue

brown, blue, green, green, pink, purple

pink, red, red, green, pink, brown

blue, blue, pink, blue, purple, blue

red, purple, brown, brown, pink, blue 

At first glance there doesn't seem to be anything incredibly interesting or strange and I'm sure you are asking, "so? What’s your point button extraordinaire?  We'll yes there doesn’t seem to be anything strange, at first glance, except that an event of someone drawing into a basket and pulling out 6 buttons then laying them flat on the table. And that is about it. ok Yes I'm with you.. 

Ok lets look at it instead from another view. 

1st basket

pink,red, pink, green, green, brown

brown, red , blue, green, green red

brown, green, red, pink, brown, pink

green, purple, red, red, red, red

red, blue, green, green, pink, pink

purple, red, red, green, blue, blue

pink, red, pink, green, brown, brown

green, pink, brown, brown, pink, green

2nd basket

pink, purple, blue, purple, purple, blue

purple, pink, blue, pink, purple, red

blue, purple, red, pink, blue, purple

pink, purple, pink, green, green, blue

brown, blue, green, green, brown, purple

pink, red, red, green, pink, brown

blue, blue, pink, blue, purple, blue

red, purple, brown, brown, pink, blue 

 

 

Still don’t see it? 

 

1st basket

pink

blue red

red pink

purple

blue green green

red red green

pink

brown brown pink 

2nd basket

pink

blue red

red pink

purple

blue green green

red red green

pink

brown brown pink

 

 

As you can see there is at least one to three buttons exactly the same color from two separate events.

In other words, My question for everyone is "How could this be?"

In other words I have noticed a pattern that is exactly the same from both baskets. You might say big deal, so what, patterns occur everyday,

But I forgot to tell you the most important part! 

This pattern has been occuring for over 10 years without a flaw! Without one flaw! Without exception  and without one error. Explain this.? 

I know you are thinking "Where has this pattern been occurring, show me, so I can see it!" I will, all in good time but see that is the tough part automatically people want to resort to "Where?" rather than "How?"  Instead of answering the question HOW COULD THIS EVENT have HAPPENED, people ask Where? But HOW? that is really the only question. So can anyone on the whole of Lottery post, mathematics to magician just aid me in an answer? How? 10 years without a flaw? meaning the pattern is 10 years long.Any answers appreciated even silly ones?Thank you all. HOW?Please don’t get back to me saying you mean you have been pulling buttons from two baskets for ten years, no I have not.But even if I had and made a perfect log, explain this occurrence? HOW?

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    You didn't say how many of each color button you had ... that makes a difference.

    Given that you are pulling a total of 6 objects per set and each object has one of six possibilities, as you are only looking at 1-3 of those objects repeating as a group, combinatorics will show that 'repeat' groups is more likey to happen than not. Especially groups of 1 & 2. 

    You have 3 basic parameters: Set size, color range, and group size.  

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      Posted: December 17, 2007, 10:01 am - IP Logged

      Some members have done the same experiment with pick6 lotteries by diving the pool of numbers into six groups, A,B,C,D,E and F.  Some patterns were more common than others, but that didn't seem to be any other reasons for that happening other than natural selection.  Because each group had 6-9 numbers in them the pattern recognition had little value as far a predicting patterns in the future.

      When you look at most lotteries, the odds of a pattern of 2-3 numbers repeating are so low that there's no payout for such occurrences.

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
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        Posted: December 17, 2007, 4:23 pm - IP Logged

        I've seen this before, expressed a different way.

        I'll just keep observing for time being.

        Go on...

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          Posted: December 17, 2007, 6:34 pm - IP Logged

          All I see is somebody picking parts of the results, and suggesting that those partial results are somehow relevant. Blowing a bunch of smoke is the reason people ask where instead of how. Until you show us something real I'll have to assume it's done with mirrors.
           

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            Posted: December 17, 2007, 7:40 pm - IP Logged

            Doing the same thing with MegaMillions where A=1-11, B=12-22, C=23-33, D=34-44 and E=45-56


            12/14/07  04 07 12 17 30    +44    A A B B C    D   
            12/11/07  06 25 27 30 45    +46    A C C C E    E   
            12/07/07  12 18 26 28 51    +35    B B C C E    D   
            12/04/07  16 27 30 45 53    +43    B C C E E    D   
            11/30/07  05 06 12 26 51    +07    A A B C E    A     
            11/27/07  09 10 26 29 39    +10    A A C C D    A   
            11/23/07  18 21 23 42 56    +11    B B C D E    A   
            11/20/07  14 20 23 42 43    +06    B B C D D    A   
            11/16/07  12 13 30 31 39    +29    B B C C D    C   
            11/13/07  15 26 36 39 40    +45    B C D D D    E   
            11/09/07  11 33 41 42 46    +21    A C D D E    B   
            11/06/07  03 14 43 46 47    +02    A B D E E    A   
            11/02/07  01 03 34 49 52    +19    A A D E E    B     
            10/30/07  02 08 44 46 51    +22    A A D E E    B     
            10/26/07  12 20 24 38 51    +03    B B C D E    A   
            10/23/07  02 07 45 52 53    +18    A A E E E    B   
            10/19/07  05 15 18 23 46    +14    A B B C E    B     
            10/16/07  01 02 05 41 44    +25    A A A D D    C     
            10/12/07  21 26 34 44 54    +23    B C D D E    C   
            10/09/07  01 10 17 32 51    +44    A A B C E    D   
            10/05/07  10 19 37 40 48    +01    A B D D E    A   
            10/02/07  28 37 40 43 44    +20    C D D D D    B   

            You can find patterns anywhere.  Do they mean anything?

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              Posted: December 18, 2007, 12:13 am - IP Logged

              My thought when I first saw this post was, "I can probably code it, RJOh has probably already coded it, & JADElottery can explain it algebraically." When I saw who else had replied, I knew the trap was set. Big Grin

              And KY Floyd's got the BS detector at the ready. Smash

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                You didn't say how many of each color button you had ... that makes a difference.

                Given that you are pulling a total of 6 objects per set and each object has one of six possibilities, as you are only looking at 1-3 of those objects repeating as a group, combinatorics will show that 'repeat' groups is more likey to happen than not. Especially groups of 1 & 2. 

                You have 3 basic parameters: Set size, color range, and group size.  

                thanks  time for the reply

                there are a total of 49 buttons in eacg basket.

                actually labled 1-49, I think you get the picture.

                each has 6 numbers that are drawn, each event is completely seperate from the other.

                 

                yet each produces the same pattern like this example

                1st basket

                1 2 3 4 5 6

                7 8 9 10 11 12

                13 14 15 16 17 18

                19 20 21 22 23 24

                25 26 27 28 29 30

                31 32 33 34 35 36 37 

                40 41 42 43 44 45

                naturally the numbers are only for example, they are not the real numbers.

                2nd basket

                number 1 and 6 show

                number 10 shows

                number 13 14 show

                number  21 22 23

                number 25 shows 

                number 31 36 37 show

                numbers 40 41 show

                and so on.

                in otherwords 1 to 3 numbers, and sometimes on a rare occasion 4 numbers show from basket 1 show in basket 2 and so on, so when you compare the two baskets and look for matching numbers from basket 1 and basket 2 your patterns looks exactly th same like this;

                 

                1st basket

                1, 6

                10

                13, 14

                21 22 23

                25

                31 36 37

                40 41 

                2nd basket

                1, 6

                10

                13, 14

                21 22 23

                25

                31 36 37

                40 41

                the pattern continues for 10 years without a flaw, in otherwords if 1,6 show then 10 shows right after the 1,6 next after 10 shows 13, 14

                and so on, when you compare the two baskets they are identicaly the same. WITHOUT ERROR in fact if basket 1 skips and no numbers matches then basket two skips then goes directly to the almost appointed number that is suppose to show next

                 like this;

                 

                1st basket

                1 2

                17 19

                37

                skip no match

                24 25 28

                4 5

                2

                skip no match

                1 5

                10 11 13 17

                5

                11

                1 4 8

                 

                2nd basket 

                1 2

                17 19

                37

                skip no match

                24 25 28

                4 5

                2

                skip no match

                1 5

                10 11 13 17

                5

                11

                1 4 8

                and so on..

                This has been occuring for 10 years running without an error 100 % accurate.

                So naturally if you know what was produced from basket 1 you can predict the numbers for basket 2

                but every time you got it cornered and play the numbers thats when it skips then if you dont play it then it goes right back to its normal running, without error so if 25 26 shows in basket 1, then next to show in basket 2 is of course 25 26 it is perfect, almost as if it is set to happen as if a machine is running both making it happen, if I were to show you both patterns laid out before you, you might say that i made it up, and challege me, but if i were to show you from basket 1 and basket 2 you would see 10 years both with exactly the same pattern. without an error,

                Is this a little hard to believe?

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                  time*treat please dont make this into something its not! you say your first thought was this is bs, please dont take it there, either answer how this is occuring or just dont answer at all. I dont have a lot of time to waste with people trying to dismantle something they wont be able to dismantle it is true and i will show it to you i have been holding on to this info for years, if you try and buck they system I will leave. Just go with it and explain, how 2 patterns could be the exact same pattern for ten years running with out flaw.

                  What is your most logical answer, just say it in one sentence or two, if it is not bull then what is it? how is it occuring. this doesnt seem natural or even random at all?

                  I mean imagine drawing names from two hats and it looks like this;

                  becky

                  bob

                  sue

                  goerge

                  matt

                  tom

                  barry

                  robbert

                  ginny

                  jimmy

                  jimmy joe

                  tanner

                  teresa

                   

                  2nd hat

                   

                  becky

                  bob

                  sue

                  goerge

                  matt

                  tom

                  barry

                  robbert

                  ginny

                  jimmy

                  jimmy joe

                  tanner

                  teresa

                  please just answer it as simply as you can, please.

                  what is your answer?

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                    Some members have done the same experiment with pick6 lotteries by diving the pool of numbers into six groups, A,B,C,D,E and F.  Some patterns were more common than others, but that didn't seem to be any other reasons for that happening other than natural selection.  Because each group had 6-9 numbers in them the pattern recognition had little value as far a predicting patterns in the future.

                    When you look at most lotteries, the odds of a pattern of 2-3 numbers repeating are so low that there's no payout for such occurrences.

                    RJoh what do you mean natural selection?

                    and what is coding? time*treat mentioned?

                    I can predict at least 1-3 numbers every time, what shoud I do with it?

                    the pattern never fails.

                    If 24 25 showed in the 1st basket, sure enough 24 25 shows in the 2nd. Yet understand there are 49 numbers to select from, but the pattern stays perfect right on course.

                    by the way one drawing occurs one night prior to the 2nd so you always know in advance  the 6 numbers that have the most likelyhood of showing before the 2nd drawing occurs. At least you know 1-3 numbers of 6 numbers that will show in the 2nd drawing, and from those 6 numbers 1-3 WILL show, and sometimes 4 number will show in the 2nd.

                     

                    so when you look at the two you see this;

                    1 2 3 4 5 6

                    1 2 6 20 34 39

                    I've been able to win many times 3 or 5 numbers correct but cant get all 6 was wondering if you know a way to get them?

                    The nice thing would be to have a machine that produces the results for me, taking into account certian pairs that go together and pairs or triplets that do or dont go together. this would narrow it down some.

                    also i've notice in the 1st drawing the 1st number rarely ever shows in the second therfor you would illiminiate th the first number leaving you with only 5 numbers to choose from to get you 1-3 numbers that will show, understand you might not hit it for a few time if only 1 number instead of 3 show. but the second that 3 do show again you might get 5 numbers correcct who knows maybe 6? especially if your other 3 numbers (your guesses ) are correct.

                    You are just looking for the one time that 3 from the 1st draw show in the 2nd draw.

                    If you miss it o well, try again, and keep trying, so far 3 numbers from the first draw have showed in the 2nd draw 8 times in the past 3 weeks but mostely only 1 or 2 show. but it is accurate and never is there an error.

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                      Every once in a while I hear somebody say, I have been playing the same numbers for a long time, but I didn't play them on the last draw and they came out.

                      Perhaps that happens, because there are so very many people who always play the same set of numbers, but who knows? It does sound as if something is not right, but again who Knows?

                      Will anybody ever be able to prove that a lottery game is "Doctored"?

                      Yet worse, Are all lottery games everywhere "Fixed"? I don't think that anybody will be able to prove that any game has been tampered with by any state lottery, but I would like to be proved wrong.

                      I have always suspected that things are not quite right.

                      The Tx state lottery appears to be much more carefull about this than many other lotteries, or so it seems to me. 

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                        Let  me put this another way I dont think anyone is really getting what I'm saying.

                         imagine 26 words, something like this;

                        You all remember him from the beatles, no he did not die but it's something when one plays an album backwards it says paul is dead.

                        ok thats my sentence I will be using

                        two lottery draws 6 words and 1-3 of those words and sometimes 4 show the same in each drawing. Now I'm not going to list 6 words drawn only the ones that match so you can see that the pattern is exactly the same. The are an exact mirror image of each other.

                        1st lottery

                        Paul

                        all remember

                        beatles 

                        backwards it says

                        I will be

                        no he did

                        when one

                        backwards

                        plays an album

                        Paul

                        is dead

                         

                         

                        2nd lottery

                        Paul

                        all remember

                        beatles 

                        backwards it says

                        I will be

                        no he did

                        when one

                        backwards

                        plays an album

                        Paul

                        is dead

                        ------------------------------------------

                         

                        Now that is only an example as you see both drawings produced the exact pattern.

                        This has been going on for ten years straight.

                        without 1 error!

                        Explain?

                        Am I to believe that for 10 years two seperate drawings have stayed in perfect harmony without missing a beat?

                        Now I realize there are thousands upon thousands of lottery drawings all over the world every day from japan to china to the uk to indiana to brazil, but I happened to stumble upon two of them producing the same exact pattern, one drawing occurs a night before the 2nd.

                        explain this?

                        That is all I am asking, this is my question?

                        HOW?

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                          @ nano,

                          Read what we say more slowly. 

                          I didn't say it was BS. I referred to KY Floyd's skepticism. 

                          When I say "first saw this post" I mean before I replied the very first time.

                          • I can probably code it ~ because it looks similiar to some old work.
                          • RJOh has probably already coded it ~ because he's tested alot of theories and is pretty good at testing a new one really fast.
                          • JADElottery can explain it algebraically." ~ because he can explain it with the proper equations, and even show how often such a thing can be expected, on average, to happen. Mad math skill, like that.

                          There is no mention (or need) of me dismantling anything. 

                          Now as far as to the "how", I did state my reasoning for this. It is mostly due to your sample sizes of 1 & 2 number repeats. These are fairly common. But, if you want a more thorough explanation, that's JADELottery's area.

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                            RJoh what do you mean natural selection?

                            and what is coding? time*treat mentioned?

                            I can predict at least 1-3 numbers every time, what shoud I do with it?

                            the pattern never fails.

                            If 24 25 showed in the 1st basket, sure enough 24 25 shows in the 2nd. Yet understand there are 49 numbers to select from, but the pattern stays perfect right on course.

                            by the way one drawing occurs one night prior to the 2nd so you always know in advance  the 6 numbers that have the most likelyhood of showing before the 2nd drawing occurs. At least you know 1-3 numbers of 6 numbers that will show in the 2nd drawing, and from those 6 numbers 1-3 WILL show, and sometimes 4 number will show in the 2nd.

                             

                            so when you look at the two you see this;

                            1 2 3 4 5 6

                            1 2 6 20 34 39

                            I've been able to win many times 3 or 5 numbers correct but cant get all 6 was wondering if you know a way to get them?

                            The nice thing would be to have a machine that produces the results for me, taking into account certian pairs that go together and pairs or triplets that do or dont go together. this would narrow it down some.

                            also i've notice in the 1st drawing the 1st number rarely ever shows in the second therfor you would illiminiate th the first number leaving you with only 5 numbers to choose from to get you 1-3 numbers that will show, understand you might not hit it for a few time if only 1 number instead of 3 show. but the second that 3 do show again you might get 5 numbers correcct who knows maybe 6? especially if your other 3 numbers (your guesses ) are correct.

                            You are just looking for the one time that 3 from the 1st draw show in the 2nd draw.

                            If you miss it o well, try again, and keep trying, so far 3 numbers from the first draw have showed in the 2nd draw 8 times in the past 3 weeks but mostely only 1 or 2 show. but it is accurate and never is there an error.

                            Nanolike,

                            What I meant by natural selection is what you have observed was natural, with parameters as stated, the repeat of colors and numbers are natural and should be expected.  For example states that have a 5/39 game expect players to naturally match 2 ever 9-10 tickets.

                            What time*treat meant by coding is simulating in a computer program what you have observed. If you're observing two games and one is predicting the outcome of the other then you can simply play your observations of the first game in the second game and win every time with only one ticket.

                            If you are matching 3-5 numbers every time then you shouldn't have any complaints.

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                              O I see ok, thanks time*sweat and RJoh,

                              Also latern you make some good points there.

                               So RJoh you are saying that you can create a program of sorts that will be able to produce what I need if I give you these 6 numbers that yield 1-3 number every time.

                              ok what if I have 3 sets of 6 numbers that each produce 1-3 numbers every time.

                              like this

                              1 2 3 4 5 6

                              10 11 12 13 14 15

                              23 24 25 26 27 28

                              winning numbers

                              1 10 12 15 23 24

                              1 2 3 4 5 6

                              10 11 12 13 14 15

                              23 24 25 26 27 28

                              or additionally what if I can give you 4 numbers that produce 2 numbers

                              or 2 number every single time that are 1 or 2 digits away from the 4 number. This is without fail and the 4 numbers do produce 2 numbers or 2 number right close to the 4 number every time.

                               

                              like this, 

                              4 numbers are;

                              6 9 19 26

                              winning numbers

                              1 10 12 15 23 24

                              This is something that I just have as i means of check and balance so to speak. The numbers showeith 2 exact

                               or sometimes 1 exact and 1 close , or 2 exact, or 2 close but always and without fail to the 4 numbers every time.

                              unfortunately ther are probably countless combos one can arrive at with even 4 numbers, especially if you say the winning numbers are exact or 1 or 2 didgits away.

                              So if I have 1-3 every time from the 1st drawing that show in the second

                              and 4 digits that produce 2 numbers that are exact or close

                              what could you do with that?

                              But also I have 2 other sets of 6 that produce 1-3 each time.

                              If a program of sorts had that data and could check the best pairs and triplets to show, like lets say 25 29 were a good pair that show often, with paper and pencil I might forget this pair but the program wouldnt, which would enable a more likelyhood of a win is what I'm thinking.

                              in otherwords if I had a program that selected from 18 numebrs where the 6 winning numbers are every time and 4 numbers that produce 2 exact or close to the 4 given numbers. I supppose it would be just a matter of playing the same procedure each time till it finally hit.

                              Or am I way of base here?

                              So basically I have

                              1 drawing that produces 1-3

                              1 drawing that produces 1-3

                              1 drawing that produces 1-3

                              and 4 digits that produces 2 exact or 2 close

                              What could you do with that between you and jadelottery and whoever else?

                              Is that too many numbers to incorporate into a program or should I give you less numbers that produce more winning numbers?

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