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Posted: January 4, 2008, 10:10 am - IP Logged

Last night's draw killed me. My filtering sticks!! Using filter AABC.

1/4/08

1-2-7-8-13
1-2-7-8-14
1-2-7-9-13
1-2-7-9-14
1-2-7-12-13
1-2-7-12-14
1-3-7-8-13
1-3-7-8-14
1-3-7-9-13
1-3-7-9-14
1-3-7-12-13
1-3-7-12-14
1-5-7-8-13
1-5-7-8-14
1-5-7-9-13
1-5-7-9-14
1-5-7-12-13
1-5-7-12-14

    LottoVantage's avatar - BRITIS 3.GIF
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    Posted: January 4, 2008, 10:52 am - IP Logged

    Here is some additional thinking; Identifying the currant sum range of recent jackpot sums targets a known constant. Employing that known constant in the wheeling process can reduce a total of 433 tic's down to an affordable 30 to 40 or so tic's by employing sum reduction.

    If the drawn numbers appear within or close to the target sum range, and 4 or 5 of the drawn numbers are within the group of numbers you choose to wheel, you will recover some or all of your wagered bets, and possibly more!

    The practice of wagering a couple of bucks is fine to get you in the game. You can't win if you don't play.

    If you want to have some fun and actually improve your odds of winning something, a structured plan is the only way to go.

     

      CARBOB's avatar - FL LOTTERY_LOGO.png
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      Posted: January 4, 2008, 11:05 am - IP Logged

      Last night's draw killed me. My filtering sticks!! Using filter AABC.

      1/4/08

      1-2-7-8-13
      1-2-7-8-14
      1-2-7-9-13
      1-2-7-9-14
      1-2-7-12-13
      1-2-7-12-14
      1-3-7-8-13
      1-3-7-8-14
      1-3-7-9-13
      1-3-7-9-14
      1-3-7-12-13
      1-3-7-12-14
      1-5-7-8-13
      1-5-7-8-14
      1-5-7-9-13
      1-5-7-9-14
      1-5-7-12-13
      1-5-7-12-14

      Thanks LV. That filter should be AABBC

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        Posted: January 4, 2008, 1:49 pm - IP Logged

        Nothing special about any of the above mentioned wheels ...on the first look they seem great but its just another method...there are few good things and many bad things with these wheels...Don't kill me with your comments defending the wheels ....I mean if you love it that's cool with me ..use it to your advantage...Just posting my honest opinion...My observations on these wheels below...

        First of ...cutting a matrix of ~40 numbers (for pick 5) in half is terrible to begin with ..

        Next you have to get one number correct in each group.....good luck... tooo restrictive

        then it only guarantees 4 numbers...i mean the payout for 4 of 5 is ~$300..after all that trouble where is the reward?  3 numbers right you get~$10 and in ~ 40 lines from wheel with that you get back ~$50 tops...  2 of 5 you get $1 ..going around in circles.. And these numbers are for best case scenarios...you imagine the worst case....Not good overall ..it lures you into thinking you are winning because you get 2 or 3 numbers when in fact its just spinning wheels...

        Just becasue you get 3 numbers right it doesn"t mean you are getting close to it...i mean the odds for 3 of 5 are about 1:120 and 5of5 is ~1:600,000  NOT CLOSE AT ALL....Just another Method ...IT will STILL depend on luck again which is right back where you started ..........

        Next you have to get one number correct in each group.....good luck... tooo restrictive

        I have tracked each sorted position on an individual basis.I found the stats on the number drawn and the even-odd of the last number and the high and low of the last number and of course what decade may be possible informative information.
        As a way of tracking each sorted position I used my pick 3 and 4 software. Gave me all the stats I wanted.

        If two like numbers appeared in 2 sets that line in the ticket set that contain two like numbers would be deleted.

        Everyone to their own way of tracking.

        WHATT

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          Posted: January 4, 2008, 3:49 pm - IP Logged

          Lotto vantage,

          Hello there... How have you been?

          I hope well.

          Happy New Year to you.

          Glad to see that you still have the drive to pick the numbers.

          You do not have to defend your system it speaks for itself and I dare anyone to prove it wrong.

          No one else has done what you have in open forum so boooo to them..

           

          Kola I hope you are listening to LV 

           

          Rod

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            Posted: January 4, 2008, 4:12 pm - IP Logged

            Lottolaughs, 

            Thank you again for all your hard work!!!!!!

            You'll hit this thing yet.

            If the combination of a couple of programs where combined I feel that 4/5 is real to do.

            Rod

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              Posted: January 5, 2008, 12:00 am - IP Logged

              Hey there redtag! Good seeing you back here posting at LP again! Really appreciate the favorable comments. Hang in there guy and we'll trump this thing one way or the other!  Cheers

               

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                Posted: January 5, 2008, 10:21 am - IP Logged

                First of all the wheel was originally posted in a response to NumbaTuff who said he could almost always get all the winning numbers in five groups of two to four numbers, a 5if5in20 numbers 1024 lines if one from each of 5 groups of 4 was offered as well.

                The wheel is special in the sense it is nearly impossible to find these wheels in books or lotto software.  If it is what you were looking for to complete your strategy it's priceless, if not it's worthless.

                Cutting the field in half, depends on whether you can successfully do it and still retain all the winning numbers. 

                One number from each group too restrictive?  Let's look at an alternative.  A standard 4if5in15 numbers wheel takes 112 combinations . . . we've cut the combinations (playing cost) in half and added five numbers with the condition one number come from each group.  Check the playing cost of 4if5 wheels, they don't come cheap unless you filter the heck out of them.

                To use your example of a 5/40 game and you are guaranteed a 4if5 win, the odds of a 5if5 isn't 1:600,000 any longer it's 1:36 the fifth number on your 4if5 guaranteed line will be the 5th correct number because there are only 36 possibilities left.

                When we play a wheel for a lower tier prize it is always with the hope the wheel will play above its guarantee. 

                I don't know how you "tried the above wheels" and found them lacking because they are exactly what they are no more no less the result is 100% guaranteed if you meet the conditions. 

                I've no objection to playing all the numbers as a way to walk around the problem of prediction, how do you suggest we go about it while staying within a reasonable budget?

                BobP

                Hello BP,

                Your wheel has everyone in an uproar,LOL! I still think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and am having a ball with it. Am going to have some new strings available pretty soon and will do a test run with them and your wheel. Can't wait! Thanks for peeking in!

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                  The way I prefer arriving at a set of numbers to wheel is to track my sum range chart and see where the winning number sums are congregating.

                  Then, the second part is in deciding which numbers I need for use in the wheel. There are all kinds of tricky formulas around to try, but formulas are always in constant change. How can you successfully manage that constant change?

                  The way I manage the change is to maintain an accurate up to date statistical flow chart. This chart indicates what numbers are hitting, what their status is at the time of the draw, and where they are located within a structured enviornment.

                  Once I created the proper charts, I began seeing that certain groups of numbers behaved in a peculiarly significant pattern. Two groups of numbers were created by dividing the statistical flow chart into an Upper Tier Group, and a Lower Tier Group of numbers.

                  Many times 4 or 5 numbers would appear in one particular group of numbers, and the very next drawing 4 or 5 numbers would appear in the other/opposite group of numbers. This peculiar pattern has been observed to occur for up to four or five continuous drawings in a row. There is one problem here. At certain times 4 or 5 numbers, (not necessarily the exact same numbers), appear again from within the same group of numbers as the previous drawing.

                  Now, this observation clicks a switch, doesn't it? If there is a particular pattern that commenly occurs involving a majority of numbers appearing in a certain group of numbers, and the observation has proved to re-occur repeatedly time after time where 4 or 5 numbers is going to re- appear the very next drawing in one group of numbers or the other, what would you do?

                  Exactly! You would wheel all of the numbers from each group of numbers and play them, wouldn't you?

                  Ooooooooh, wait! Ooooooooh, that's waaaaaaaay too many number strings to wager!!!

                  How can I possibly reduce all those strings down to an affordable amount to wager?

                  Question answered!!! This is what can be done to cover all the numbers from both groups, (Upper Tier, and Lower Tier).

                  Observe the Average Sum Chart! View where the last two or three total sums appeared at. If there is a Sum Cluster, or a Sum Cluster Alert nearby, these target sum range's may be considered.

                  Using 4if5 of 19, and 4if5 of 20 wheels to cover all the numbers, (in example, the OH Rolling Cash 5 of 39), and filtering the totals from each wheel using "average sum reductions."

                  For instance, using a 4if5 of 19 wheel, reduce the total 345 tic's by utilizing Sum Filtering. Reduce the range of 55 to 154 down to, say, 95 to 105. The median range for a 5/39 Lotto is 100. The reduction can be whatever appeals to you. I like viewing the Average Sum Graph and developing a "gut" feeling for what may happen next, for instance, utilizing the sum ranges outlined in the Sum Cluster, or Sum Cluster Alert boxes.

                  Once this technique is developed, you will be surprised at what is possible. This application can be practiced until a comfort level is achieved and you can become accomplished!

                  This is the way I do it...

                  LV,so GREAT to see ya! Always full of great information and sorely missed here.

                  Pick 5 is STILL ALIVE! We just have to get the old ball rolling again with our veteran experts!

                  Thanks CARBOB,couldn't have said it better--

                  "BobP and LV's explanations and views are what this Pick 5 forum has been lacking. Those are darn good tools to use to create a winning atmoshere. "

                  Stick around!

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                    Posted: January 5, 2008, 10:32 am - IP Logged

                    Lottolaughs, 

                    Thank you again for all your hard work!!!!!!

                    You'll hit this thing yet.

                    If the combination of a couple of programs where combined I feel that 4/5 is real to do.

                    Rod

                    Thanks for viewing,redtag! Looks like you're still sticking with it too,that's great news. Us "diehards" are gonna bust the Pick 5 open this year,lol. Bob's wheel gave me some new inspiration to go back and spend a little more time over here instead of Pick 3. Got burnt out for awhile but I'm ready now. Let's go!

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                      LV,so GREAT to see ya! Always full of great information and sorely missed here.

                      Pick 5 is STILL ALIVE! We just have to get the old ball rolling again with our veteran experts!

                      Thanks CARBOB,couldn't have said it better--

                      "BobP and LV's explanations and views are what this Pick 5 forum has been lacking. Those are darn good tools to use to create a winning atmoshere. "

                      Stick around!

                      Hey there lottolaughs! Really good seeing you back here again too! Hyper

                      This may be the year for us pick fivers, wad-a-ya-think, lol..

                      Never did get a website up and running, it's so boring & lonely out there in cyberspace. Besides, the 24/7 aspect really becomes less and less appealing every time I stack on another year, lol!

                      Really good to see you, keep it coming babe!

                       

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                        Posted: January 5, 2008, 2:35 pm - IP Logged

                        Fla 1/5/08

                         1 15 23 29 35
                         2 11 18 29 35
                         7 11 23 29 33
                         7 13 22 29 35
                         1 13 18 29 36
                         1 17 18 32 35
                         7 15 21 29 36
                         7 17 22 32 36
                         9 11 18 32 34
                         9 13 21 32 36
                         9 15 22 32 35

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                          Posted: January 5, 2008, 3:43 pm - IP Logged

                          Fla 1/5/08

                           1 15 23 29 35
                           2 11 18 29 35
                           7 11 23 29 33
                           7 13 22 29 35
                           1 13 18 29 36
                           1 17 18 32 35
                           7 15 21 29 36
                           7 17 22 32 36
                           9 11 18 32 34
                           9 13 21 32 36
                           9 15 22 32 35

                          I forgot to show all the combos.  Used digits from last 6 draws, then filtered using Sums

                           

                           

                          1279|11131517|18212223|28293132|33343536|
                          111182833
                          111212934
                          111223135
                          111233236
                          113182936
                          113212835
                          113223234
                          113233133
                          115183134
                          115213233
                          115222836
                          115232935
                          117183235
                          117213136
                          117222933
                          117232834
                          211182935
                          211212836
                          211223233
                          211233134
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                          213212933
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                          711232933
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                          713213134
                          713222935
                          713232836
                          715182835
                          715212936
                          715223133
                          715233234
                          717182934
                          717212833
                          717223236
                          717233135
                          911183234
                          911213133
                          911222936
                          911232835
                          913183135
                          913213236
                          913222833
                          913232934
                          915182933
                          915212834
                          915223235
                          915233136
                          917182836
                          917212935
                          917223134
                          917233233
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                            A huge thank you to BobP from California!!

                             

                            On 1/30/08 I had a very strong hunch that 1/31’s California Fantasy 5 draw would have numbers that were picked from somewhere in the last 6 draws so I decided to use BobP’s group combination wheel as a test using the numbers from the last 6 draws.  There were 23 unique numbers so I had to toss three since the system is set up for 20 numbers:

                             

                            2, 6, 8, 11, 12, 13, 16, 18, 19, 22, 23, 25, 26, 28, 30, 31, 33, 35, 36, 39

                             

                            I was correct that all 6 draws picked on 1/31/08 had shown up in the previous 5 draws; the winning numbers for 1/31/08 were 11, 12, 18, 19, 31. 

                             

                            Struck Gold!! Test #1 on the group wheel hit a 4/5 winner at record number 49 below (and a number of 3/5 wins).  I think the California Fantasy 5 numbers are going to be “wheel-able” with these same results fairly soon (hopefully it's not wishful thinking).

                             

                             

                            IndexDraw1Draw2Draw3Draw4Draw5
                            1212192633
                            2212222835
                            3212233036
                            4212253139
                            5213192839
                            6213222636
                            7213233135
                            8213253033
                            9216193035
                            10216223133
                            11216232639
                            12216252836
                            13218193136
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                            15218232833
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                            17612192836
                            18612222639
                            19612233133
                            20612253035
                            21613192635
                            22613222833
                            23613233039
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                            25616193139
                            26616223036
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                            29618193033
                            30618223135
                            31618232636
                            32618252839
                            33812193039
                            34812223136
                            35812232635
                            36812252833
                            37813193133
                            38813223035
                            39813232836
                            40813252639
                            41816192636
                            42816222839
                            43816233033
                            44816253135
                            45818192835
                            46818222633
                            47818233139
                            48818253036
                            491112193135
                            501112223033
                            511112232839
                            521112252636
                            531113193036
                            541113223139
                            551113232633
                            561113252835
                            571116192833
                            581116222635
                            591116233136
                            601116253039
                            611118192639
                            621118222836
                            631118233035
                            641118253133