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Programs for dynamic wheel construction?

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Hi everybody,

I know people are mainly interested in having wheels to play that are constructed based on their selection of numbers and also applying some filters such as sums etc and/or some other attribute. I'd like to know which are the programs you know and use that can construct such dynamic wheels. You can also post if you want something particular which you cannot find anywhere in terms of constructing such a dynamic wheel. I currently work on a public version of my Wheel Generator program and I want to incorporate as many more options possible to the end user. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

 

This post comes to continue the previous thread

http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/163285 

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    We have a 5/39 but draw 6 balls of which one is a bonus.

    Having a generator to guarantee 5if6 in 5 number combinations.  There is free software out there that does this but you pick how many combinations you want so there is no guarantee.

    Also there is a DW5 program which wheels and filters..

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      Ok, thanks for this Maryland. I might have to describe more accurately what I aim to achieve. Of course there is software that can produce tickets based on filters. However this doesn't qualify as a wheel by the means of a defined guarantee or say it in other words to construct a wheel that does both qualify as a defined guarantee ie 4if5 with a predetermined L coverage and at the same time to pass the specified filters for the tickets produced by the generator. DW5 is closer to this by the means of trying to find a re-arrangement of the numbers to place in the predefined wheel. Although this is good, we are still restricted to the actual wheel which is fixed and may fail to find a very good re-arrangement, although a better one might exist for the same coverage compared to the initial wheel we used.

      What I aim is to be able to construct a wheel aiming both at increased coverage of specified guarantee(s) i.e. let's say both 4if5 and 5if6 and at the same time as high as possible to pass all the defined filters. Some rules may be applicable here such as to which case to give preference i.e. do we care more to pass all our filters or we first target to produce a defined guarantee ratio and then fit our filters. Where this differs from DW5 is that we are inspecting many more wheels of the same coverage (what the generator does internally) which gives us a chance to find even better re-arrangements as an example. In fact, there can be millions of wheels that can offer the same coverage for the same parameters we are interested in (v,k,t,m). Some of these might and can allow more of our filters to pass than just importing a fixed wheel for re-arrangement and relying on chance for this wheel to be among the best in those millions possible.

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        What do you mean by dynamic wheel construction?  I assume when you're talking about a lottery wheel, you're talking about a group of combinations that guarantee a certain out come if certain conditions are true but once you filter out some of those combinations, the guarantee is also filtered out unless you reconstruct the wheel another way.

        When I was into using wheelings, I used CoverMaster to create the basic wheel and when I replaced the wheel numbers with my numbers, many times I got combinations that had already matched four or five in earlier drawings which I tried to avoid since they seldom repeated in the lotteries I played, but when I got rid of them I also got rid of the guarantee.

        Right now I use a random number generator to come up with combinations within the parameters that I set such as sums, gage, range, total hits, never matched 4 or matched 2 and 3 within certain limits and use all the numbers in the pool equally until I have the amount of combinations I want to play.  It would be nice to have a program that checked those combinations and calculated the coverage guarantee and give me the option of having it come up with some additional combinations to increase the coverage guarantee.

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          Well RJOh, I have heard many times in the past of people here saying about constructing wheels (and I mean wheels) based of some filters such as sums. Since I have never encountered such a program by the above means, I requested for input. I'm not talking about generating random tickets to play based on some filters such as sums. The difference here is the guarantee produced. So, the concept of dynamic wheels has nothing to do with random generated tickets which simply pass some filters such as the sums one.

          Dynamic wheel construction the way I mean it is to build, even from scratch, tickets that can both offer a guarantee (or multiple guarantees at the same time if you think the term guarantee as an additional filter) and additionally pass all of the filters set (if possible) for our selection of numbers. Even if we import a wheel, similar to what DW5 does - the closest I have found so far to what I mean by dynamic wheel construction, again the system will attempt to even reconstruct the initial wheel so to achieve even better coverage and pass even more filters, since there is a very good chance, the initial wheel supplied doesn't allow all the filters to pass. THis can be achieved to the maximum possible extend by scanning the huge range of possible wheels offering the same coverage as the initial supplied wheel. To my best knowledge, there isn't a single program out there that can do such a thing but I requested input because many people said they use programs that construct wheels (not just arbitrary tickets) based on filters. I just don't know any program that generates wheels based on filters. If you know of one, let me know.

          Actually, what I try to achieve is exactly your last statement, but without the need for additional combinations to play and still pass all the defined filters, by trying to recompute a new wheel to increase both coverage and filters accepted ratio. 

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            Hi everybody,

            I know people are mainly interested in having wheels to play that are constructed based on their selection of numbers and also applying some filters such as sums etc and/or some other attribute. I'd like to know which are the programs you know and use that can construct such dynamic wheels. You can also post if you want something particular which you cannot find anywhere in terms of constructing such a dynamic wheel. I currently work on a public version of my Wheel Generator program and I want to incorporate as many more options possible to the end user. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

             

            This post comes to continue the previous thread

            http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/163285 

            cheers

            lottoarchitect 

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              "Well RJOh, I have heard many times in the past of people here saying about constructing wheels (and I mean wheels) based of some filters such as sums. Since I have never encountered such a program by the above means, I requested for input."

              lottoarchitect,
               
              Lots of players come to LP and post stuff about picking numbers that they haven't thought through.  Chances are they're hoping someone else have had a similar idea and can explain it to them or at least tell them if there's some software that can help them.

              Good luck on developing your dynamic wheeling software.

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                "Well RJOh, I have heard many times in the past of people here saying about constructing wheels (and I mean wheels) based of some filters such as sums. Since I have never encountered such a program by the above means, I requested for input."

                lottoarchitect,
                 
                Lots of players come to LP and post stuff about picking numbers that they haven't thought through.  Chances are they're hoping someone else have had a similar idea and can explain it to them or at least tell them if there's some software that can help them.

                Good luck on developing your dynamic wheeling software.

                RJOh:

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                  Posted: January 13, 2008, 3:27 am - IP Logged

                  Ok, LA

                  I have 20 numbers I want to wheel for a 4if5 but it's to big for the pocket book, so now I want to look at a table and maybe change that to 90% or 80% chance and it shows how many tickets needed and gives me those combinations.

                  Or  the table also shows how many combinations needed for 3 three number hits etc. and percentages.

                  Is this the info your looking for?  If not I'm lost. 

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                    RJOh:

                    Thanks for UR mamie post on UR program's & how much<<<<<<<<

                    you work on ........X+Y+Z'sssssssssssss2=X+Y+Z***2 =RJOh<<<<<

                    My reply to "U".....simple fact>>>FACT>>U-Do-Do>>not $$$$$$$$$

                    $pend>>>>>>.....enough^^^^^$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

                    SORRY about the FACT UR^^^^^AFRAID of UR OWN>>SYSTEM!!!!!!

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                    (LET's HELP)  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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                     PSYKOMO 

                    Sorry psykomo,

                    If I understand your post, you confused my post with an actual program.

                    ........X+Y+Z'sssssssssssss2=X+Y+Z***2 =RJOh<<<<< is not a program

                    I was explaining to LA that players some time post ideas that they have never tried to get others thoughts about them.  That may be the reason he has never seen any programs that pick numbers that way.

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                      Hi everybody,

                      I know people are mainly interested in having wheels to play that are constructed based on their selection of numbers and also applying some filters such as sums etc and/or some other attribute. I'd like to know which are the programs you know and use that can construct such dynamic wheels. You can also post if you want something particular which you cannot find anywhere in terms of constructing such a dynamic wheel. I currently work on a public version of my Wheel Generator program and I want to incorporate as many more options possible to the end user. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

                       

                      This post comes to continue the previous thread

                      http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/163285 

                      cheers

                      lottoarchitect 

                      There are three that build wheels on the fly around filters.

                      Advanced Lotto Tool

                      Lottohat

                      Lotwin by Futuresoft

                      First two have a free demo you can download, the third has some kind of deal where you view ads while using the free version.

                      Links at http://www.lotto-logix.com/lottosoft.html 

                      BobP

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                        Lotto Hat use to be  great for both stats and wheels. However it is no longer being supported at all - It's results data bases have not been updated since 2006 - you can't get an email off to the folks - and they have not done any kind of update of the program for about 2 years.  It is NOT compatible with Vista - so be cautious if you use it - You'll have to add all the data base yourself I think.

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                          Hi everybody,

                          I know people are mainly interested in having wheels to play that are constructed based on their selection of numbers and also applying some filters such as sums etc and/or some other attribute. I'd like to know which are the programs you know and use that can construct such dynamic wheels. You can also post if you want something particular which you cannot find anywhere in terms of constructing such a dynamic wheel. I currently work on a public version of my Wheel Generator program and I want to incorporate as many more options possible to the end user. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

                           

                          This post comes to continue the previous thread

                          http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/163285 

                          cheers

                          lottoarchitect 

                          "I know people are mainly interested in having wheels to play that are constructed based on their selection of numbers and also applying some filters such as sums etc and/or some other attribute.

                          If you use 15 numbers in a pick-5 game there is only 1 combination out of 3003 that can match all 5 numbers so the trick is to find a method that can reduce number of combinations without eliminating that 1 combination. If you use an abbreviated wheel you're not really playing to hit the jackpot but trying to hit a lesser prize. 

                          A 4if5 abbreviated 15 number wheel has 95 combinations but that is only 3% of all the combinations so there is a 97% chance you eliminated that 1 combination. Applying filters at this point to reduce that field seems useless because you probably don't have that 1 combination and you're losing the guarantee to win the lesser prize.

                          "I'd like to know which are the programs you know and use that can construct such dynamic wheels."

                          I've used the Freewheeling program from Lottery Director for years. It has all the standard high/low, even/odd, sums, roots, consecutive numbers, decades and positional and conditional filters. From experience after filtering my 15 number 3003 combinations I've learned I probably started with the wrong 15 numbers and the reduced results have about the same chance of winning as a like number of quick picks.

                          It's a nice tool for 5/36 to 5/39 games for considering all the combinations, but not much help in a 6/49 games where a 99% reduction still leaves you with 14,000 combinations. There is a feature where you can put all 49 numbers into 6 zones and create conditions like 1 number from each zone for a 97.89% reduction but that's 294,912 combinations. However if you apply 2 even numbers and 4 odd numbers and 2 low numbers and 4 high numbers as a filter, it's reduced to 10,240 combinations.

                          Start with 24 numbers, create 6 zones and apply the same e/o, l/h filters and you have a playable 112 combinations. This is similar to the 15 and 20 number conditional wheels BobP created for pick-5 games and he went a step farther by giving his wheels a 4if5 guarantee.

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                            Lottohat was sold a couple of years ago and appears to be on auto pilot.  I couldn't locate my P-3/4 serial number (the Pick-3/4 version of Lottohat) and I didn't get a reply to my email. Lucky for me I found it because apparently those new people weren't going to help me and I was a beta tester.

                            What these programs do is create all the combinations in the game with the exception of the combinations excluded by the filters so you do start with the jackpot winning number prior to filtering unlike an abbrreviated wheel which may or may not have the jackpot combination before you begin. 

                            An interesting feature of Lotwin Lottery Line Builder by Future soft is the analysis feature.  It tells you the exact filters you would have needed to eliminate all or almost all of the combinations except the jackpot winning combination. 

                            For example, I select one of the Florida 5/36 winning draws and it tells me the 18 filters it passed.  I load those same filters and run a build and it gives me the winning combination that was drawn.  Of course that's 18 yes decisions against about 70 no decisions, all of which must be made correctly.  Still it's interesting to see how filters really can work.

                            BobP
                             

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                              While it's usually about selecting good numbers to play on the other hand I would like to use software that generates wheels dynamically or re-wheels self wheels 10000 times untill they pass all filters applied. Though I wish it would be free software.

                              Derek