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Correlation btwn Lotto Players and Gambling in General

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In addition to the lotto, do you gamble?

No. I only play lotto. [ 21 ]  [42.00%]
Yes. I like Slots. [ 10 ]  [20.00%]
Yes. I like Poker. [ 2 ]  [4.00%]
Yes. I like Blackjack. [ 2 ]  [4.00%]
I LOVE TO GAMBLE. [ 15 ]  [30.00%]
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In the casino business degenerate gambler is indeed the word used to describe some gamblers- a degenrate gambler is one who now only lives to make the next bet, all their interests have degenrated into no other interest than gambling.

A degenerate is a gambler who has to be "in action", that is has to have money riding on the outcome of an event, whether it be a hand of cards, roll of the dice, spin of the ropulette wheel, final score of a ball game, results of a horse race, etc...but they have to have money riding on something, all the time.

As for the poll question, personally I only play lotto. In all the years I worked in casinos I saw a whole bunch of people blow a whole lot of money chasing cards, dice, and royal flushes on poker machoines - and never saw any of them ever hit anything that changed their life- never saw any of them retire as the result of a wn.

Lottery jackpots are rare, sure, but they do change lives.

Re: the jargon, here's a few more terms for you:

skid, or flea:

People who hang around the lowest limit tables, (usually crap tables) and make the lowest limit bet occassionally. They are in essence just "renting a space" on the game to suck up free drinks all day. "The table has a lot of fleas on days and swing shifts".

These people were the original "a stack, a pack, and tails" crowd- that meant a $5 buy in for a stack of "whites" (25 cent chips), a pack of gratis cigarettes, and call the aitress for a free drink.

nurse:

tail waitress.

sweater, or bleeder

A floor person, pit boss, or shift boss who is no fun to be around when a table is losing. They sweat or belled the money as if it was coming out of their own pocket. Casino carpets are often red because the bosses bledd the money.

eye in the sky

surveillance

eye in the rug

In the old days the casinos had actual spys that just hung around the pits looking for cheaters, both among players and employees.

beard

A term from sports betting. There are certain professional gamblers that would create havoc if they made their own bets, they're that good. So if one went to a sports book, after they made their bet there would be pandemonium at the windows with other players saying, "I want $220 on whatever he bet". These people don't appear in the books or make their own bets, they "send in a beard, that is, a stranger, to bet their money for them.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

Lep

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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    Sorry, I didn't answer the question.   My pick was "I love to gamble."  You don't have to spend a fortune to place a bet, although I gave up going to casinos many years ago.  I need to save my money.  It wasn't because I was afraid of becoming a degenerate, however, since I've been traveling down that dusty road to degradation for a long time.  There's just a beach at the end of mine.

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    Why not gamble?  Even if we save every penny, pretty soon we won't be able to afford gas or food (forget healthcare) so we might as well die having a good time. 


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      Do you know what the word "DEGENERATE" means? while will you use such a word?

      I suggest you watch carefully your words...The word degenerates does not fit even a loser....

      YOu have to understand when people gamble is because they think they can beat the system, so is basically "MISCALCULATION"....Gambling is basically a miscalculation a continous miscalculation

      What do you think the people in the stock market who continously lose millions of dollars are? THEY ARE GAMBLERS, but nobody calls them that because of our notions of our sugar daddies basically...Because "OHH he is involve in the stock market" that's why nobody calls them gamblers...

      And suppose you get a stroke which can happen to any body, are you then a degenerate?

      Degenerates are those people that sexually abuse babies or the people in the top who don't want change for the better....Those are really degenerates..

      if somebody won millions of dollars and then lost it foolishly they are not degenerates, is practically normal, what happens is they were overwhelmed by money, unprepared for it...

      And if you carefully look at the meaning of that word you will see that a "HUMAN BEING" can not possibly be a degenerate"......Degenerate is a word reserved for "SATAN"...

      Ok,maybe in calling myself a "degenerate gambler" I picked the wrong words to describe myself.Maybe I should have used the words "compulsive gambler" or "pathalogical gambler",but I didn't.I used the words "degenerate gambler" because I have been described as a degenerate gambler on more than one occasion by more than one person.The description seemed to fit and I really didn't think I would offend you or anyone else by describing myself in those terms.Since I obviously offended you with my choice of words,I apologize and will try to use the correct words in future posts.

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        I wish there were casinos that let you gamble but with 10 cents and not with 1 dollars...I am talking imagine if there are casinos that have every known lottery type of lottery configuration and board game and to play it cost 10 cents or a nickle for each ticket/entry...

        Imagine if they offer you to play checkers or memory game in a casino against a machine...Wouldn't that be cool...What i am saying is casinos need to offer more games to make the casino experience more enjoyable, like boardgames, mind games, video games, etc...Casinos don't even have "video games" or archade games...

        I never been to a casino but if i did went i'll be tire of seeing the USUAL, someone sitting at a table playing 21 or poker HOPING to win...They have to make the experience ENJOYABLE...

        I don't care who says what: POKER is not enjoyable, yeah people may/will like it but is not enjoyable...You have to make a casino a "ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE"....

        Just to show you what i am talking about..ALL HOTELS in las vegas don't have swimming pool only a handful of them..AND HOW MANY MOVIE THEATHERS do las Vegas have? Thanks you....How many skating ring does it have, does it have bowling...Again they don't make the experience enjoyable...

        Do casino have shooting pool? is there a General Building in las vegas (there should be a couple of them) but is there a General Building that has shooting pool.....Again the experience has to be enjoyable....


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          I wish there were casinos that let you gamble but with 10 cents and not with 1 dollars...I am talking imagine if there are casinos that have every known lottery type of lottery configuration and board game and to play it cost 10 cents or a nickle for each ticket/entry...

          Imagine if they offer you to play checkers or memory game in a casino against a machine...Wouldn't that be cool...What i am saying is casinos need to offer more games to make the casino experience more enjoyable, like boardgames, mind games, video games, etc...Casinos don't even have "video games" or archade games...

          I never been to a casino but if i did went i'll be tire of seeing the USUAL, someone sitting at a table playing 21 or poker HOPING to win...They have to make the experience ENJOYABLE...

          I don't care who says what: POKER is not enjoyable, yeah people may/will like it but is not enjoyable...You have to make a casino a "ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE"....

          Just to show you what i am talking about..ALL HOTELS in las vegas don't have swimming pool only a handful of them..AND HOW MANY MOVIE THEATHERS do las Vegas have? Thanks you....How many skating ring does it have, does it have bowling...Again they don't make the experience enjoyable...

          Do casino have shooting pool? is there a General Building in las vegas (there should be a couple of them) but is there a General Building that has shooting pool.....Again the experience has to be enjoyable....

          I can tell that you have never been to a casino.Casinos (at least the ones here in Iowa) offer penny slot machines.Some offer 2cent slot machines.Nickle machines are also very popular.Casinos also offer Video Poker and a lot of what I call "cartoon slots",basicly they are video games designed to draw in the younger crowd.And yes,some casinos even sell scratch off tickets,their own and state lottery tickets.If its a form of gambling that casinos can turn a buck on,they will offer it to their guests.

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            I never been to a casino but if i did went i'll be tire of seeingthe USUAL, someone sitting at a table playing 21 or poker HOPING towin...They have to make the experience ENJOYABLE...

            I don't care who says what: POKER is not enjoyable, yeah peoplemay/will like it but is not enjoyable...You have to make a casino a"ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE"

            You've never been to a casino, but you are going to tell others that gambling at a table isn't enjoyable. It is for some people and if you have actually ever stepped into one, (especially one in Las Vegas) you would know that some of these casinos are kid and family friendly. Some of the casinos have restuarants, game stations (for kids), ice skating rink, movie theater, ect. You should actually step into one before declaring that all casinos only have tables and slot machines and are boring. There all not the same.

            Just to show you what i am talking about..ALL HOTELS in las vegas don'thave swimming pool only a handful of them..AND HOW MANY MOVIE THEATHERSdo las Vegas have? Thanks you....How many skating ring does it have,does it have bowling...Again they don't make the experience enjoyable...

            Have you even been to Las Vegas? There are many things to do there that are enjoyable. They have movie theaters, skating rings, go cart racing, swimming pools, clubs, etc. I should know I've lived there and have had family living there for more then 30 years. However, fun is what you make of it and your not going to be having a fun time 24-7 no matter where you live.

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              Those slots and blackjack are not interesting...gamesville.com or gametap.com is more interesting than casinos...In a casino you are after the money, but casinos games are not interesting, enjoyable...


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                Those slots and blackjack are not interesting...gamesville.com or gametap.com is more interesting than casinos...In a casino you are after the money, but casinos games are not interesting, enjoyable...

                Far be it for me to recomend that you go to a casino,but if you've never been to one you don't know if their games are interesting or not.I do know that the thrill of winning a $10,000 jackpot has to be more thrilling than what you can win on a computer game.If you haven't been to a casino and won some real cash you can't possibly understand the thrill.

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                  Au contraire tn*tea.

                  Guess who:

                  Obama's Global Poverty Act

                  Awful as the Carter Administration was, America survived it. Thesame might not hold true of an Obama Administration. Even as a juniorSenator, Obama has already tried to break the back of our economy byputting the entire planet on American welfare:

                  The Global Poverty Act (S.2433) would require the UnitedStates to spend $845 billion ($845,000,000,000.00) on welfare tothird-world countries. This amounts to a tax of over $2,000 on eachman, woman and child in the United States. The foreign aid budget nowstands at $300 billion; the Act would add the additional expenditure tothe already huge amount allocated to assist the world.

                  http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/05/obamas_global_p.html

                  Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                  Lep

                  There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                    Pumpi, Las Vegas isn't just a place where people go to gamble.  It's a major metropolitan area.  There are over half a million people living there!  There are banks, supermarkets, shopping malls, restaurants, movie theaters, clubs, etc.  It's famous for world class entertainment. You can also go on plenty of adventure tours (kayaking, white water rafting, Grand Canyon tours, horseback riding) if you want a break from gambling or shopping.  You make it sound like a small village where poker players go to play cards! 

                    Regarding swimming pools, your comment about "only a handful.." is absurd. I doubt if even a cheap motel that rents by the hour doesn't have a pool, although maybe it hasn't been cleaned in over a year.

                    I haven't been to Vegas since 1981 (talk about restraint!) but I was there a few times and I've gambled in casinos in several other countries as well.  Sometimes a casino is a small area of a hotel and sometimes it's a spectacular fantasy world, sort of like walking into the Magic Kingdom where you want to go on every ride and truly believe dreams can come true!

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                      Au contraire tn*tea.

                      Guess who:

                      Obama's Global Poverty Act

                      Awful as the Carter Administration was, America survived it. Thesame might not hold true of an Obama Administration. Even as a juniorSenator, Obama has already tried to break the back of our economy byputting the entire planet on American welfare:

                      The Global Poverty Act (S.2433) would require the UnitedStates to spend $845 billion ($845,000,000,000.00) on welfare tothird-world countries. This amounts to a tax of over $2,000 on eachman, woman and child in the United States. The foreign aid budget nowstands at $300 billion; the Act would add the additional expenditure tothe already huge amount allocated to assist the world.

                      http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/05/obamas_global_p.html

                      Someone asked about a "World Lottery" on another thread. Well, there it is. We lost.

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                        What's the most money anyone here has won gambling??

                        I love to play poker and won an online tourney $27.50 entry 587 players and won $3800, won just over $2000 on 18 holes of golf several times, $3900 on "wheel of fortune" slots and one weekend $8500 on blackjack in wisconsin golf trip.

                        never won big on lottery, most i have won is $500, once friday night on pick 3 and 500 2x on scratchers.

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                          Far be it for me to recomend that you go to a casino,but if you've never been to one you don't know if their games are interesting or not.I do know that the thrill of winning a $10,000 jackpot has to be more thrilling than what you can win on a computer game.If you haven't been to a casino and won some real cash you can't possibly understand the thrill.

                          Tha'ts what i am saying...People go there because of the enticement of the jackpot cash not because the enticement of the game...

                          People go there because of the idea of winning 10,000 or whatever, but not because they love those games....

                          Also if you knew psychology you will know that not everybody is the same, not everybody likes the same game, there are different people....If you knew psychology you will know that in a country population there is going to be a percentage of people that like beisball, a percentage that like football, a percentage that like soccer...

                          People that go to las Vegas are the people that like blackjack, and 21 and poker, etc...And they don't even offer "war card" or memory games and those are card games...And the casinos don't offer all the possible card games...

                          is like your favorite sport, if you knew they were giving a lot of money to attend a sport match of boxing that is not your sport you will attend and so will everybody else, but not everybody like boxing...Same thing with card games like poker and blackjack....

                          People sit down at a table for hours playing roulette...Now wouldn't that be wonderful if they were gathered playing "MONOPOLY" or a similar game kind of like online betting but of monopoly in a casino, a casino with multiple tables you see casinos are not even BIG ENOUGH, THEY ARE VERY SMALL for what i've seen on TV....FACT: More people worldwide play monopoly than they play blackjack or poker...And poker is even more boring because they don't use dices...When you offer games you have to think of other people....In Roulette there is no interaction between players in monopoly and many other games there is interactions....

                          And i also feel they need to broaden/extend/make larger monopolgy so that more players can play....

                          I am willing to bet that out of 100 hotels in las vegas, 20 have swimming pools and the swimming pools are so small the size of a room...I think not even the cheapest hotel have swimming pools the length of 5 toyota camry put together....you call a swimming pool the size of a house room a swimming pool? Something tells me that the cheapest hotel/motel whatever in las vegas does not have huge size swimming pools and i think i am correct....

                          i forgot, las vegas all they care about is making money and not really OFFERING AN ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE...

                          Also why not offer free video games systems with games and consoles in each of the rooms of the luxor or wynn casino/resort so that guess can enjoy their time at night or for their kids, or offer free movies,,,,I know they charge for those...LOL......I know that they don't offer this, and yet they call themselves a 'RESORT"....

                          Tell me what is $200 rooms X $500 for Xbox/Playstation = $100,000 dollars and tell me what is 100,000 dollars for a casino that cost 200 million to build....

                          or they don't even have to spend 100,000 for video games, how about 200 rooms times 60 dollars for a DVD player= $12,000 and $8,000 for movies merely 20,000 dollars spent....Again what is 20,000 dollars for a casino that cost 200 million to be build....They call themselves a "RESORT & CASINO".....

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                            If they had casinos with perchis, or chess or checkers, or monopoly, or other board games, i will had been a sorryful gambler....

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                              Tha'ts what i am saying...People go there because of the enticement of the jackpot cash not because the enticement of the game...

                              People go there because of the idea of winning 10,000 or whatever, but not because they love those games....

                              Also if you knew psychology you will know that not everybody is the same, not everybody likes the same game, there are different people....If you knew psychology you will know that in a country population there is going to be a percentage of people that like beisball, a percentage that like football, a percentage that like soccer...

                              People that go to las Vegas are the people that like blackjack, and 21 and poker, etc...And they don't even offer "war card" or memory games and those are card games...And the casinos don't offer all the possible card games...

                              is like your favorite sport, if you knew they were giving a lot of money to attend a sport match of boxing that is not your sport you will attend and so will everybody else, but not everybody like boxing...Same thing with card games like poker and blackjack....

                              People sit down at a table for hours playing roulette...Now wouldn't that be wonderful if they were gathered playing "MONOPOLY" or a similar game kind of like online betting but of monopoly in a casino, a casino with multiple tables you see casinos are not even BIG ENOUGH, THEY ARE VERY SMALL for what i've seen on TV....FACT: More people worldwide play monopoly than they play blackjack or poker...And poker is even more boring because they don't use dices...When you offer games you have to think of other people....In Roulette there is no interaction between players in monopoly and many other games there is interactions....

                              And i also feel they need to broaden/extend/make larger monopolgy so that more players can play....

                              I am willing to bet that out of 100 hotels in las vegas, 20 have swimming pools and the swimming pools are so small the size of a room...I think not even the cheapest hotel have swimming pools the length of 5 toyota camry put together....you call a swimming pool the size of a house room a swimming pool? Something tells me that the cheapest hotel/motel whatever in las vegas does not have huge size swimming pools and i think i am correct....

                              i forgot, las vegas all they care about is making money and not really OFFERING AN ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE...

                              Also why not offer free video games systems with games and consoles in each of the rooms of the luxor or wynn casino/resort so that guess can enjoy their time at night or for their kids, or offer free movies,,,,I know they charge for those...LOL......I know that they don't offer this, and yet they call themselves a 'RESORT"....

                              Tell me what is $200 rooms X $500 for Xbox/Playstation = $100,000 dollars and tell me what is 100,000 dollars for a casino that cost 200 million to build....

                              or they don't even have to spend 100,000 for video games, how about 200 rooms times 60 dollars for a DVD player= $12,000 and $8,000 for movies merely 20,000 dollars spent....Again what is 20,000 dollars for a casino that cost 200 million to be build....They call themselves a "RESORT & CASINO".....

                              "People go there because of the idea of winning 10,000 or whatever, but not because they love those games...."

                              Millions of people play Powerball and Mega Millions because they have the chance to win millions but it's not the only game in town so people can play other games with smaller jackpots and smaller odds against them.

                              "People that go to las Vegas are the people that like blackjack, and 21 and poker, etc...And they don't even offer "war card" or memory games and those are card games...And the casinos don't offer all the possible card games..."

                              I've never heard anybody sitting at table game saying "I wish they offered Old Maid or Go Fish", but casinos have experimented with many different types of card games. If they catch on and are a success, other casinos will offer them too. Has it occurred to you the reason casinos don't offer every possible card game is because not very many people would play them?

                              I don't think most casinos would waste their floor space and pay dealers to stand by empty or seldom used table games when people are going somewhere else to play the more popular table games instead of waiting for an open seat.

                              "FACT: More people worldwide play monopoly than they play blackjack or poker..."

                              I for one would like to see the statistics your FACT is based on on because if you want to compare apples to apples, most civilize countries don't allow children under 18 to gamble. Is Monopoly really a game that most adults enjoy playing regularly?

                              "I am willing to bet that out of 100 hotels in las vegas, 20 have swimming pools and the swimming pools are so small the size of a room..."

                              And you would lose that bet because some casino/hotels have suites with private smaller swimming pools for their high roller guests. Most of the smaller motels have pools bigger than their rooms and it's silly to even think the large hotels with over a 1000 guest rooms would have tiny pools.

                              "Also why not offer free video games systems with games and consoles in each of the rooms of the luxor or wynn casino/resort so that guess can enjoy their time at night or for their kids, or offer free movies,,,,I know they charge for those...LOL......I know that they don't offer this, and yet they call themselves a 'RESORT"...."

                              The Mirage became the first hotel/casino/resort when it opened in 1989 but an argument can be made they got the idea from Circus Circus. It was more family friendly and people could bring their kids but the kids couldn't gamble.  The Luxor and Wynn Resort are going after the adult gambling market so there is no reason for them to provide children's games.  Do people really go to resort/casinos to play video games and/or watch movies? 

                              "i forgot, las vegas all they care about is making money and not really OFFERING AN ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE..."

                              Hotel/casinos are always looking for new ideas to provide their guests with a more enjoyable experience so they will return again and again. You make it sound like the city of Las Vegas is one large casino owned by the one person or a small group of people and they force people to come back again and again.

                              I believe the correlation between lottery games and gambling in general  depends on how much a person is spending. It's probably more likely that a $20 dollar a day lottery player gambles on other things but that doesn't necessarily mean a $1 a day player won't spend their vacation in Vegas and enjoy every minute of it.