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If you're the type of player that looks for patterns in the numbers (Mega Million), column 1-3 works the "same" in a system or a method.

Column 4 and 5 almost, always goes opposite or totally different. To try your method or system in the same manner for column 1-3, ends up giving questionable results. Be aware of that --- it's not that your method or system is useless. Column 4 and 5 and the Mega Ball have the highest odds therefore it requires a system or method different from the way you approach column 1-3.

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    Statistical expected position frequency chart for 5/56 matrix:

     

    ABCDETotal
    1341055341055
    231625124804341055
    3292825468521378341055
    427072566300397852341055
    52499008330076502041341055
    623030098000122505005341055
    72118761105441764098015341055
    819458012107223688168035341055
    917836512972030268263270341055
    10163185136620372603864126341055
    11148995141900445505400210341055
    12135751145684520307260330341055
    13123410148092595989460495341055
    141119301492406715812012715341055
    1510127014924074620149241001341055
    169139014820081900182001365341055
    178225114622488920218401820341055
    187381514341295608258402380341055
    1966045139860101898301923060341055
    2058905135660107730348843876341055
    2152360130900113050399004845341055
    2246376125664117810452205985341055
    2340920120032121968508207315341055
    2435960114080125488566728855341055
    25314651078801283406274410626341055
    26274051015001305006900012650341055
    2723751950041319507540014950341055
    2820475884521326788190017550341055
    2917550819001326788845220475341055
    3014950754001319509500423751341055
    31126506900013050010150027405341055
    32106266274412834010788031465341055
    3388555667212548811408035960341055
    3473155082012196812003240920341055
    3559854522011781012566446376341055
    3648453990011305013090052360341055
    3738763488410773013566058905341055
    3830603019210189813986066045341055
    392380258409560814341273815341055
    401820218408892014622482251341055
    411365182008190014820091390341055
    4210011492474620149240101270341055
    437151201267158149240111930341055
    44495946059598148092123410341055
    45330726052030145684135751341055
    46210540044550141900148995341055
    47126386437260136620163185341055
    4870263230268129720178365341055
    4935168023688121072194580341055
    501598017640110544211876341055
    5155001225098000230300341055
    521204765083300249900341055
    5352397866300270725341055
    54137846852292825341055
    5524804316251341055
    56341055341055
    Total38198163819816381981638198163819816

     

     

    Note that Column 1 and Column 5 are exactly the same - in inverse order. The same is true for Columns 2 and 4. The frequencies in Column 3 are the same at either end and remain that way to the center when the two selected numbers total 57.

    Speaking of Sum 57, when doing a horizontal analysis, when the sum of two numbers total 57, the number of appearances of each number in each column will be exactly the same - reversed.

    Blessed Saint Leibowitz, keep 'em dreamin' down there..... 

    Next week's convention for Psychics and Prognosticators has been cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances.

     =^.^=

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      Statistical expected position frequency chart for 5/56 matrix:

       

      ABCDETotal
      1341055341055
      231625124804341055
      3292825468521378341055
      427072566300397852341055
      52499008330076502041341055
      623030098000122505005341055
      72118761105441764098015341055
      819458012107223688168035341055
      917836512972030268263270341055
      10163185136620372603864126341055
      11148995141900445505400210341055
      12135751145684520307260330341055
      13123410148092595989460495341055
      141119301492406715812012715341055
      1510127014924074620149241001341055
      169139014820081900182001365341055
      178225114622488920218401820341055
      187381514341295608258402380341055
      1966045139860101898301923060341055
      2058905135660107730348843876341055
      2152360130900113050399004845341055
      2246376125664117810452205985341055
      2340920120032121968508207315341055
      2435960114080125488566728855341055
      25314651078801283406274410626341055
      26274051015001305006900012650341055
      2723751950041319507540014950341055
      2820475884521326788190017550341055
      2917550819001326788845220475341055
      3014950754001319509500423751341055
      31126506900013050010150027405341055
      32106266274412834010788031465341055
      3388555667212548811408035960341055
      3473155082012196812003240920341055
      3559854522011781012566446376341055
      3648453990011305013090052360341055
      3738763488410773013566058905341055
      3830603019210189813986066045341055
      392380258409560814341273815341055
      401820218408892014622482251341055
      411365182008190014820091390341055
      4210011492474620149240101270341055
      437151201267158149240111930341055
      44495946059598148092123410341055
      45330726052030145684135751341055
      46210540044550141900148995341055
      47126386437260136620163185341055
      4870263230268129720178365341055
      4935168023688121072194580341055
      501598017640110544211876341055
      5155001225098000230300341055
      521204765083300249900341055
      5352397866300270725341055
      54137846852292825341055
      5524804316251341055
      56341055341055
      Total38198163819816381981638198163819816

       

       

      Note that Column 1 and Column 5 are exactly the same - in inverse order. The same is true for Columns 2 and 4. The frequencies in Column 3 are the same at either end and remain that way to the center when the two selected numbers total 57.

      Speaking of Sum 57, when doing a horizontal analysis, when the sum of two numbers total 57, the number of appearances of each number in each column will be exactly the same - reversed.

      What do the numbers in those columns represent? EXPLAIN. When you say "Column 1" I have no idea what you're talking about.

      Gonna win.Big Smile

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        My bad.

        For Column 1 read Column A.
        For Column 2 read Column B.
        For Column 3 read Column C.
        For Column 4 read Column D.
        For Column 5 read Column E.

        The numbers represent the frequency each number will appear in each column should all possible draws be listed.

        Blessed Saint Leibowitz, keep 'em dreamin' down there..... 

        Next week's convention for Psychics and Prognosticators has been cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances.

         =^.^=

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          What do the numbers in those columns represent? EXPLAIN. When you say "Column 1" I have no idea what you're talking about.

          Maybe this will clear it up: 341055 x 56 = 19,099,080 / 5 = 3,819,816 x 46 = 175,711,536

          A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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            Very interesting... Thanks

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              Statistical expected position frequency chart for 5/56 matrix:

               

              ABCDETotal
              1341055341055
              231625124804341055
              3292825468521378341055
              427072566300397852341055
              52499008330076502041341055
              623030098000122505005341055
              72118761105441764098015341055
              819458012107223688168035341055
              917836512972030268263270341055
              10163185136620372603864126341055
              11148995141900445505400210341055
              12135751145684520307260330341055
              13123410148092595989460495341055
              141119301492406715812012715341055
              1510127014924074620149241001341055
              169139014820081900182001365341055
              178225114622488920218401820341055
              187381514341295608258402380341055
              1966045139860101898301923060341055
              2058905135660107730348843876341055
              2152360130900113050399004845341055
              2246376125664117810452205985341055
              2340920120032121968508207315341055
              2435960114080125488566728855341055
              25314651078801283406274410626341055
              26274051015001305006900012650341055
              2723751950041319507540014950341055
              2820475884521326788190017550341055
              2917550819001326788845220475341055
              3014950754001319509500423751341055
              31126506900013050010150027405341055
              32106266274412834010788031465341055
              3388555667212548811408035960341055
              3473155082012196812003240920341055
              3559854522011781012566446376341055
              3648453990011305013090052360341055
              3738763488410773013566058905341055
              3830603019210189813986066045341055
              392380258409560814341273815341055
              401820218408892014622482251341055
              411365182008190014820091390341055
              4210011492474620149240101270341055
              437151201267158149240111930341055
              44495946059598148092123410341055
              45330726052030145684135751341055
              46210540044550141900148995341055
              47126386437260136620163185341055
              4870263230268129720178365341055
              4935168023688121072194580341055
              501598017640110544211876341055
              5155001225098000230300341055
              521204765083300249900341055
              5352397866300270725341055
              54137846852292825341055
              5524804316251341055
              56341055341055
              Total38198163819816381981638198163819816

               

               

              Note that Column 1 and Column 5 are exactly the same - in inverse order. The same is true for Columns 2 and 4. The frequencies in Column 3 are the same at either end and remain that way to the center when the two selected numbers total 57.

              Speaking of Sum 57, when doing a horizontal analysis, when the sum of two numbers total 57, the number of appearances of each number in each column will be exactly the same - reversed.

              Thanks for the information but this statistical is irrevelant to the point I'm making. I'm talking here, "methods" or "systems."

              If one is using a workable method or system, there's evidence throughout the lottery matrix (by observation of patterns and depending how you view patterns) that columns 1-3 works to a compatible result. When approaching it the same way for column 4 and 5 and the Mega Ball, the result comes out different or "wrong."

              I don't want to say the numbers are wrong but when you "know" your system or method very well, you can tell the type of numbers that should be produced...and if the numbers are breaking from the patterns "prematurely" and doing so for all the other numbers down that 4,5 and Mega ball columns then you know column 1-3 are compatible with the same method or system. Column 4,5 and Mega Ball are not compatible with the same method or system for columns 1-3. That's my point.

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                There has been 319 MegaMillions drawings since the last matrix change.

                                06/24/05 TO 07/11/08   319 RECORDS ALL POSITIONS

                   1: 25    11: 21    21: 25    31: 31    41: 23    51: 32
                   2: 25    12: 34    22: 30    32: 27    42: 32    52: 31
                   3: 26    13: 30    23: 21    33: 25    43: 34    53: 40
                   4: 25    14: 39    24: 34    34: 21    44: 30    54: 33
                   5: 39    15: 22    25: 37    35: 28    45: 26    55: 25
                   6: 20    16: 28    26: 27    36: 35    46: 38    56: 29
                   7: 36    17: 28    27: 26    37: 22    47: 18    57: 0
                   8: 30    18: 29    28: 23    38: 28    48: 35    58: 0
                   9: 28    19: 23    29: 23    39: 29    49: 22    59: 0
                  10: 22    20: 32    30: 30    40: 34    50: 29    60: 0

                FIRST POSITION
                   1: 25    11: 9     21: 4     31: 1     41: 0     51: 0
                   2: 23    12: 11    22: 3     32: 1     42: 0     52: 0
                   3: 23    13: 9     23: 0     33: 0     43: 0     53: 0
                   4: 17    14: 20    24: 7     34: 0     44: 0     54: 0
                   5: 28    15: 7     25: 1     35: 1     45: 0     55: 0
                   6: 16    16: 12    26: 0     36: 1     46: 0     56: 0
                   7: 25    17: 5     27: 4     37: 1     47: 0     57: 0
                   8: 20    18: 6     28: 2     38: 1     48: 0     58: 0
                   9: 16    19: 6     29: 1     39: 1     49: 0     59: 0
                  10: 8     20: 4     30: 0     40: 0     50: 0     60: 0

                SECOND POSITION
                   1: 0     11: 8     21: 12    31: 4     41: 1     51: 0
                   2: 2     12: 16    22: 11    32: 7     42: 2     52: 0
                   3: 3     13: 16    23: 6     33: 2     43: 1     53: 0
                   4: 8     14: 16    24: 13    34: 2     44: 0     54: 0
                   5: 8     15: 11    25: 12    35: 6     45: 0     55: 0
                   6: 4     16: 10    26: 7     36: 5     46: 0     56: 0
                   7: 9     17: 14    27: 5     37: 3     47: 0     57: 0
                   8: 8     18: 12    28: 5     38: 3     48: 0     58: 0
                   9: 11    19: 11    29: 6     39: 3     49: 0     59: 0
                  10: 12    20: 13    30: 8     40: 3     50: 0     60: 0

                THIRD POSITION
                   1: 0     11: 4     21: 7     31: 13    41: 7     51: 1
                   2: 0     12: 7     22: 11    32: 9     42: 8     52: 1
                   3: 0     13: 4     23: 12    33: 9     43: 8     53: 1
                   4: 0     14: 3     24: 10    34: 7     44: 8     54: 1
                   5: 3     15: 4     25: 12    35: 13    45: 4     55: 0
                   6: 0     16: 5     26: 14    36: 10    46: 6     56: 0
                   7: 1     17: 8     27: 12    37: 13    47: 2     57: 0
                   8: 2     18: 9     28: 6     38: 8     48: 5     58: 0
                   9: 1     19: 2     29: 5     39: 8     49: 0     59: 0
                  10: 2     20: 14    30: 9     40: 9     50: 1     60: 0

                FORTH POSITION
                   1: 0     11: 0     21: 2     31: 10    41: 9     51: 13
                   2: 0     12: 0     22: 4     32: 9     42: 15    52: 6
                   3: 0     13: 1     23: 3     33: 7     43: 13    53: 10
                   4: 0     14: 0     24: 4     34: 7     44: 9     54: 2
                   5: 0     15: 0     25: 12    35: 5     45: 13    55: 3
                   6: 0     16: 1     26: 5     36: 12    46: 18    56: 0
                   7: 1     17: 1     27: 4     37: 5     47: 8     57: 0
                   8: 0     18: 2     28: 8     38: 12    48: 16    58: 0
                   9: 0     19: 4     29: 10    39: 12    49: 10    59: 0
                  10: 0     20: 0     30: 10    40: 14    50: 9     60: 0

                FIFTH POSITION
                   1: 0     11: 0     21: 0     31: 3     41: 6     51: 18
                   2: 0     12: 0     22: 1     32: 1     42: 7     52: 24
                   3: 0     13: 0     23: 0     33: 7     43: 12    53: 29
                   4: 0     14: 0     24: 0     34: 5     44: 13    54: 30
                   5: 0     15: 0     25: 0     35: 3     45: 9     55: 22
                   6: 0     16: 0     26: 1     36: 7     46: 14    56: 29
                   7: 0     17: 0     27: 1     37: 0     47: 8     57: 0
                   8: 0     18: 0     28: 2     38: 4     48: 14    58: 0
                   9: 0     19: 0     29: 1     39: 5     49: 12    59: 0
                  10: 0     20: 1     30: 3     40: 8     50: 19    60: 0

                BONUS POSITION
                   1: 8     11: 8     21: 10    31: 3     41: 8
                   2: 9     12: 9     22: 11    32: 5     42: 11
                   3: 5     13: 3     23: 5     33: 5     43: 6
                   4: 10    14: 6     24: 4     34: 5     44: 9
                   5: 9     15: 10    25: 5     35: 10    45: 5
                   6: 7     16: 6     26: 6     36: 11    46: 4
                   7: 10    17: 6     27: 4     37: 8     47: 0
                   8: 7     18: 4     28: 3     38: 8     48: 0
                   9: 7     19: 4     29: 7     39: 6     49: 0
                  10: 11    20: 7     30: 8     40: 6     50: 0

                 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                   
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                  The information here is for informational and entertainment purposes only. As in any game of chance, there is the risk of losing money and when playing you assume all risk, liabilities and damages which may arise out of its use.

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                    The information here is for informational and entertainment purposes only. As in any game of chance, there is the risk of losing money and when playing you assume all risk, liabilities and damages which may arise out of its use.

                    The official Lottery Post disclaimer.LOL

                    Gonna win.Big Smile

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                      If you're the type of player that looks for patterns in the numbers (Mega Million), column 1-3 works the "same" in a system or a method.

                      Column 4 and 5 almost, always goes opposite or totally different. To try your method or system in the same manner for column 1-3, ends up giving questionable results. Be aware of that --- it's not that your method or system is useless. Column 4 and 5 and the Mega Ball have the highest odds therefore it requires a system or method different from the way you approach column 1-3.

                      The front end is fixed ... and the back end wags around like the tail on a dog.Cool

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                        Guru101's avatar - rw6jhh
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                        Thanks for the information but this statistical is irrevelant to the point I'm making. I'm talking here, "methods" or "systems."

                        If one is using a workable method or system, there's evidence throughout the lottery matrix (by observation of patterns and depending how you view patterns) that columns 1-3 works to a compatible result. When approaching it the same way for column 4 and 5 and the Mega Ball, the result comes out different or "wrong."

                        I don't want to say the numbers are wrong but when you "know" your system or method very well, you can tell the type of numbers that should be produced...and if the numbers are breaking from the patterns "prematurely" and doing so for all the other numbers down that 4,5 and Mega ball columns then you know column 1-3 are compatible with the same method or system. Column 4,5 and Mega Ball are not compatible with the same method or system for columns 1-3. That's my point.

                        Column 4,5 and Mega Ball are not compatible with the same method or system for columns 1-3. That's my point.

                        That's obvious since the Mega Ball is chosen from a different pool of numbers. You also don't have to apply the method to just a subset of columns(for example, columns 1-3); it can be applied to the entire set. Also, a single method should be used on numbers that are in the same pool.

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                          Column 4,5 and Mega Ball are not compatible with the same method or system for columns 1-3. That's my point.

                          That's obvious since the Mega Ball is chosen from a different pool of numbers. You also don't have to apply the method to just a subset of columns(for example, columns 1-3); it can be applied to the entire set. Also, a single method should be used on numbers that are in the same pool.

                          Okay....I see there's a lot of confusion by what I meant by "using methods or systems." I will substitute "method" for patterns -- that should clarify the picture.

                          The patterns in column 1-3 runs differently in column 4 and 5....and you right, the Mega Ball is chosen from a different pool of numbers. 

                          When I look at patterns in column 1-3, I see the same "similarities." When I look at patterns in columns 4 and 5, it's different. How? For example, let's say the patterns in 1-3 are defined as 3 high numbers and 1 low number which completes a pattern. I see (for example) this type of activity throughout columns 1-3 therefore it's a reliable patterns in the lottery matrix.

                          Then, when I move to column 4 and 5, it reads like this: 2 high numbers and 2 low numbers completes a patterns. And as I move down the lines, I see a pattern just like the ones in columns 1-3... a mixture of them, too.

                          That tells me, column 4 and 5 is a mixture of the patterns from 1-3 and those 2 high, 2 low numbers to completes a pattern.

                          Clear?

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                            Okay....I see there's a lot of confusion by what I meant by "using methods or systems." I will substitute "method" for patterns -- that should clarify the picture.

                            The patterns in column 1-3 runs differently in column 4 and 5....and you right, the Mega Ball is chosen from a different pool of numbers. 

                            When I look at patterns in column 1-3, I see the same "similarities." When I look at patterns in columns 4 and 5, it's different. How? For example, let's say the patterns in 1-3 are defined as 3 high numbers and 1 low number which completes a pattern. I see (for example) this type of activity throughout columns 1-3 therefore it's a reliable patterns in the lottery matrix.

                            Then, when I move to column 4 and 5, it reads like this: 2 high numbers and 2 low numbers completes a patterns. And as I move down the lines, I see a pattern just like the ones in columns 1-3... a mixture of them, too.

                            That tells me, column 4 and 5 is a mixture of the patterns from 1-3 and those 2 high, 2 low numbers to completes a pattern.

                            Clear?

                            I don't understand why you're comparing a pattern for a subset of 3 numbers(1-3), to a pattern for a subset of 2 different numbers(4-5). Why not compare 1-3 and 3-5?

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                              Nooooo Guru!

                               

                              Listen, 1-3 represent the columns. Not the numbers....or you can say the positions: Postion 1, Position 2, Position 3, Position 4, and Position 5.

                              I call them "columns." When I say column 1-3, I meant the Positions 1-3.