Tenn. Lottery CEO blames lagging sales on Powerball

Nov 18, 2008, 5:27 pm (53 comments)

Tennessee Lottery

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Tennessee officials are hedging their bets on Powerball to lift the lottery out of a sales slump that could hurt revenue projections for education.

Lottery CEO Rebecca Paul Hargrove says lottery sales have been running about $400,000 less per week than last year since the fiscal year began July 1.

She blames Powerball.  The jackpot went over $300 million at one point last year but hasn't reached that level yet this year.  Bigger jackpots increase sales.

The Knoxville News Sentinel reports the lottery chief told Gov. Phil Bredesen in budget sessions Monday in Nashville that the lottery is now projecting about $288.6 million in revenues for education this fiscal year.

That's about $2.5 million more than last year, but about $3.5 million less than earlier estimates.

In 2007, despite complaints from legions of upset lottery players, Hargrove decided to change the Tennessee Lottery drawings from a mechanical ball machine to a computer random number generator (RNG).  Subsequently, the lottery was embroiled in criticism over a string of faulty drawings and errors, resulting from the computerized drawing system.

Hargrove claims that it would cost the lottery $5 million to revert back to the real drawings, but some say the lottery has cost the state more than that with the errors and loss in player confidence.

Some legislators recognized that the computerized drawings were hurting the player's confidence in the games and introduced legislation to revert back to real drawings.  (See Tennessee Lottery may be forced back to real drawings, Oct. 9, 2007, and Tenn. lawmakers want to force lottery to drop computer draws, Mar. 26, 2008.)

But the State Senate never took up the measure that was championed by House Minority Leader Jason Mumpower, and the proposal was withdrawn in April (Tenn. proposal for real lottery drawings withdrawn, Apr. 30, 2008).

Now, with revenue shortfalls again facing the state, Tennessee lawmakers need to decide if the lottery's revenue projections will remain at the whim of Powerball jackpots, or if they will proactively generate player excitement — and increased revenues — by bringing real drawings back to the state.

The residents of the state also need to decide if they will take matters into their own hands, by contacting their state representatives and demanding that real mechnical ball drawings be reinstated in Tennessee.

The Tennessee Lottery stopped using real drawings in 2007.

Lottery Post Staff

Comments

DC81's avatarDC81

Ahh, just like these sort of clowns, blame one thing while completely ignoring the other, bigger issue....

I'm sure Powerball cut into some sales, but all those problems with the RNG and their brilliant giving out the wrong phone number certainly didn't give customers a boost of confidence in how competent the people in charge of the state lotteries are.

cher19622

The Powerball has nothing to do with the drawings.Of course she has to blame it on someone.The fine folks in Tennessee have been waiting on this,now the last laugh is on her.Cant wait till they come and say,,,,,,What you gonna do when they come for you,bad boys.!!!!!!!!  oh yea with all these losing tickets I have stacked up in the cabinet are actually good? Who knows....

MADDOG10's avatarMADDOG10

Boy, she still can't see past her nose....!

Powerball may have cut into some, but not 400,000 less per week. WAKE UP and smell the coffee Mrs Hardnose. The good folks in Tenn don't deserve to be bilked the way you're doing it with computers. Get some Balls Rebecca, then maybe the revenue will go back up. Tah Tah dolling......!

cher19622

Well said MADDOG   With a 10

Littleoldlady's avatarLittleoldlady

That is amazing.  I watched her on the news last night and this morning and she clearly stated that she thought it was the high cost of gasoline that had cut into sales of lottery tickets.  she also stated that she thought that with gas prices coming down that the lottery would be able to make more money possibly getting to the amount of money they were making before all of the gas hikes.  Well, whatever, it remains to be seen. I am sure player confidence does have something to do with the shortfall.

time*treat's avatartime*treat

"The Knoxville News Sentinel reports the lottery chief told Gov. PhilBredesen in budget sessions Monday in Nashville that the lottery is nowprojecting about $288.6 million in revenues for education this fiscalyear."

That may be less than expected, but it's no small amount. If TN players want real drawings back, drop that number till the decimal point threatens to move.

GASMETERGUY

I, for one, have quit playing Tennessee's lottory since they went to the RNG method.  I have no confidence in any official of this state doing right, be they Republicans or Democrats.  In my book, computerized drawings were introduced to make mainpulation easier and more difficult to uncover.  I will keep my money in my wallet until they bring back ball drawings.  If that means I never get to lay $1 down on the Pick 5 again, then so be it.  I am finding that I don't have a problem not having a ticket for the next draw.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by GASMETERGUY on Nov 18, 2008

I, for one, have quit playing Tennessee's lottory since they went to the RNG method.  I have no confidence in any official of this state doing right, be they Republicans or Democrats.  In my book, computerized drawings were introduced to make mainpulation easier and more difficult to uncover.  I will keep my money in my wallet until they bring back ball drawings.  If that means I never get to lay $1 down on the Pick 5 again, then so be it.  I am finding that I don't have a problem not having a ticket for the next draw.

I think there are many people like you. 

I really feel bad for you, because you all had the carpet ripped from under your feet with no warning or opportunity to voice you opinion.  What the lottery did was just plain wrong.  It's not what you signed up for.

It's awesome that you are voicing your opinion with your wallet, because that is the ONLY thing they care about.

Look how big this story is in Tennessee.  Normally the annual financial updates from the lottery get scant attention.  But because Hargrove missed the target, this became a much bigger story.  Keep making her miss until she gives you back your drawings.

If you normally buy 2 tickets a draw, just buy 1.  Or, like you're doing, buy none.

konane's avatarkonane

Quote: Originally posted by MADDOG10 on Nov 18, 2008

Boy, she still can't see past her nose....!

Powerball may have cut into some, but not 400,000 less per week. WAKE UP and smell the coffee Mrs Hardnose. The good folks in Tenn don't deserve to be bilked the way you're doing it with computers. Get some Balls Rebecca, then maybe the revenue will go back up. Tah Tah dolling......!

Well stated Maddog, completely agree. 

If Hargrove is true to form she's managing the TN Lottery with the same greedy tactics she used in Georgia.  Looks like it's coming back to bite her, hope it takes a much bigger chunk before it's over. 

cher19622

Like I said what goes around comes around.And I do hope she reads all of this that we all write.I would love to see her retire,she has not only my money but all of Tennessee people .We all across the united states work hard,not just us in Tennessee but every one.Do you think for a minute she cares if we have food to eat or gas in our cars or what we need for our families,,,,well   $%^*)  no she dont.I'm keeping my hard earned money,I dont know the way the rest of you work but most of the time I'm working 7 days a week,and it feels D%^*() M  good to have my money for me.......CHERYL

spy153's avatarspy153

Quote: Originally posted by Littleoldlady on Nov 18, 2008

That is amazing.  I watched her on the news last night and this morning and she clearly stated that she thought it was the high cost of gasoline that had cut into sales of lottery tickets.  she also stated that she thought that with gas prices coming down that the lottery would be able to make more money possibly getting to the amount of money they were making before all of the gas hikes.  Well, whatever, it remains to be seen. I am sure player confidence does have something to do with the shortfall.

That is my personal opinion why the lottery sales have come down.  I'm sure the jackpots on Powerball have something to do with it as well., but mostly the gas prices, economy instability, etc.,  As far as confidence levels from the consumer, well, can you blame them?  The computerized drawings?  Remember, most people don't "trust" computers and the internet anyway.   Oh, let me clarify that, most people I know.  Not any of you here, of course.  But throw that in the mix with seemingly fixed draws and bloopers like with the triples, and there you have it!  No sales! 

I too, feel that if the gas prices stay down the economy will pick back up.  We have to suffer the last waves of the dominoe effect from the price hikes., then maybe we can get back to normal around this nation already.

diamondpalace's avatardiamondpalace

Wow, another bad story from Tenn lotto. With errors like these people are loosing confidence in the lotto headquarter, not in themselves. Get real Tenn lotto if you want to make money you need to offer people a chance to win it, let the odds do the selection, not insiders. I have a feeling that this will happen few more times, at least once more before 2009. Investigation will take place eventually...those that walked away with great sums from this mess will soon be thinking about how not to drop the soap, rather than which super car to buy.

LOTTOMIKE's avatarLOTTOMIKE

i meant to tell you guys this about pick 4.remember back a few years ago i was hitting the pick 4 three or four times a year?   since the middle of 2007 until now i've played on paper and guess how many times i've hit since they went to RNG here in tennessee?        0  times.  thats right not once.soooooo what i'm doing is keeping fingers crossed about arkansas and if those guys want to play fair and do ball draws i'll just take my business there.i honestly expected a small mistake by our lottery here every now and then but when i got up one morning and saw on here the headline in the news section about tennessee going to RNG i was hit with total shock.tennessee had one of the best lotteries in the nation before this idiot decided to she was going to RNG the lottery.and can you believe the reason was because she said the workers were complaining about setting the ball machines up every day,lol.they quoted that idiot rebecca paul saying that.if thats the case then those people should've been fired and replaced.heck i would've took the job myself and set 'em up.i'm counting on you arkansas.

 

p.s.... todd what do you think about me getting with the media in arkansas and showing these guys over there all the bad screwups tennessee has had by using computer draws.maybe spreading the word before hand could do some good.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by LOTTOMIKE on Nov 19, 2008

i meant to tell you guys this about pick 4.remember back a few years ago i was hitting the pick 4 three or four times a year?   since the middle of 2007 until now i've played on paper and guess how many times i've hit since they went to RNG here in tennessee?        0  times.  thats right not once.soooooo what i'm doing is keeping fingers crossed about arkansas and if those guys want to play fair and do ball draws i'll just take my business there.i honestly expected a small mistake by our lottery here every now and then but when i got up one morning and saw on here the headline in the news section about tennessee going to RNG i was hit with total shock.tennessee had one of the best lotteries in the nation before this idiot decided to she was going to RNG the lottery.and can you believe the reason was because she said the workers were complaining about setting the ball machines up every day,lol.they quoted that idiot rebecca paul saying that.if thats the case then those people should've been fired and replaced.heck i would've took the job myself and set 'em up.i'm counting on you arkansas.

 

p.s.... todd what do you think about me getting with the media in arkansas and showing these guys over there all the bad screwups tennessee has had by using computer draws.maybe spreading the word before hand could do some good.

The more people warning Arkansas about falling into the computerized drawing trap the better! 

They need to hear early and often about how players do not like and do not trust computerized drawings.

If they want to kick off their lottery without another group of people attacking them (i.e., like the anti-gambling folks), they need to ensure that only mechanical ball drawings will be used.

Arkansas legislators:  When you write your lottery laws, please specify the following language:

The drawings for any online lottery ("lotto") games that consist of fewer than 10 chosen numbers per drawing will be conducted using a mechanical device in which both the selection of the drawing results and the means by which the numbers are selected can be directly and physically observed by a layman witness.

Amazing Grace's avatarAmazing Grace

Shes right I would not  buy a ticket if it was a win for 0nly  a 100, million dollarsROFL

The Govt dont tax our lottery winnings in Canada,

The american Govt needs to let the American people keep more of thier money=GDP.

But they dont because that is what pays for Wars, Freedom,Superstructures, Superior technology,

Its Rebuilding the Nations, Notice I said Nations, 300 million people in united states,

so 1$=300 million thats if they all worked.

Given the unemployment rate this increases the cost per person.

A recession will alter the amount of money the average lotto player plays.

The Government needs to have a few  50 cent lotterys,

chasingadream's avatarchasingadream

i totally agree with what all of you are saying. I do not trust the lottery here.

Prime example.....the last raffle ticket drawing that was held here only announced 2top prize winners and when i called the lottery office back in June to ask if the remaining 1mill top prizes were claimed, I was put on hold for 26mins!!! No one came back to the phone. I had to disconnect because I was on my lunch break at work.

I will admit that I play Lotto Plus every full moon but if its not hit by the end of this month then I'm gonna stop playin it also. The only game that I would faithfully play here is PB.

I don't even like the scratchers.....we have a $20 scratcher with a top prize of 350k but there is another scratcher with a top prize of 500k and its only $10.......where is the logic.

i am so ready for another lottery director.

konane's avatarkonane

If Paul-Hargrove is true to form she will likely be recruited by Arkansas to launch their lottery.  Maybe that's what she was planning for before the consequences of her own ill conceived decisions came back to haunt her.

itsmyhouse

She's not going anywhere, since she married a politician and Bredesen even performed the ceremony.  It's been oddly "hands off" the lottery since the legistlation was very quietly withdrawn to force them to go back to the balls.  The papers, websites, the City Paper, TV, no one has printed a thing.  How about this little tidbit...Paul-Hargrove very quietly just received a ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR BONUS for reaching $5B in sales before the lotterys five year anniversary.  How many scholarships is that?  And in this ecomony?  On top of her salary and very generous bonus plan?

cher19622

One thing I would to know, how much Tennessee has made on 111 and 666 because never once played.Enough to send 10 kids to Vanderbuilt,

cher19622

Hey everyone go out and play 666.It would either break them if it came in or the payout would be $0.00

canyon

I'm soooo glad she's no longer in Georgia!!!!  The NUTS here in Georgia paid her a lot of money and bonus when she left and Tennessee paid her even more money and now she's sticking it to the people of Tennessee while her pockets continue to overflow with money!!!  When will somebody she her for what she really is????   Some people in Georgia were sad to see her leave, after we saw how things were going with the new lottery head, but we definitely are celebrating now!!!  TENNESSEE KEEP HER, DON'T SEND HER BACK TO GEORGIA!!!

cher19622

How cold is that?I'm sorry for what she did to georgia's people,So much I'm sorry for us here in Tennessee.   WHY DONT SOMEONE STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND DO THE PROPER THING ABOUT WHAT SHE IS DOING TO ALL AMERICANS.   HELLO!!!!

itsmyhouse

Funny how the Knoxville News Sentinel reported this, yet the Tennesseean (located in Nashville, where the Corporate HQ is) doesn't mention it at all.  Someone has made it clear that it's "hands off the lottery" in Nashville.

 

Ah, politics and their strange bedfellows...

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by itsmyhouse on Nov 19, 2008

She's not going anywhere, since she married a politician and Bredesen even performed the ceremony.  It's been oddly "hands off" the lottery since the legistlation was very quietly withdrawn to force them to go back to the balls.  The papers, websites, the City Paper, TV, no one has printed a thing.  How about this little tidbit...Paul-Hargrove very quietly just received a ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR BONUS for reaching $5B in sales before the lotterys five year anniversary.  How many scholarships is that?  And in this ecomony?  On top of her salary and very generous bonus plan?

Wow, didn't know that.  Thanks for letting us know.

Tnmeme5177

Message to Hargrove from a TN resident,

I used to play the tnlottery daily but lost confidence after the fiasco last Aug/Sep 2007 and all of the repeats of the same numbers and constant mistakes and errors.  Bring the "real balls back".  I know for a fact that someone is tricking the machine or has interfered with the program.  There is all kinds of hacking going on in corp america......do you think its not going on with the lottery?  I tell you we can't even play a good hand of poker online anymore.  Now, I just play on occassion, but I used to be a regular and win all the time.  Since the lottery started in TN I have won several jackpots but none in the last 6-8 months.  It was exciting to see the balls drop, but now I,  and a whole lot of other hard working folk have no confidence in the lottery. 

Tell me something.....who at the lottery office is a James Bond fan?  I can't remember the last time I have seen 007 come in so many times in a 4 month span.......hint.. hint

Get my point?

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Tnmeme5177 on Nov 19, 2008

Message to Hargrove from a TN resident,

I used to play the tnlottery daily but lost confidence after the fiasco last Aug/Sep 2007 and all of the repeats of the same numbers and constant mistakes and errors.  Bring the "real balls back".  I know for a fact that someone is tricking the machine or has interfered with the program.  There is all kinds of hacking going on in corp america......do you think its not going on with the lottery?  I tell you we can't even play a good hand of poker online anymore.  Now, I just play on occassion, but I used to be a regular and win all the time.  Since the lottery started in TN I have won several jackpots but none in the last 6-8 months.  It was exciting to see the balls drop, but now I,  and a whole lot of other hard working folk have no confidence in the lottery. 

Tell me something.....who at the lottery office is a James Bond fan?  I can't remember the last time I have seen 007 come in so many times in a 4 month span.......hint.. hint

Get my point?

Nice post, welcome to Lottery Post!

Sadly, the reaction by the lottery to comments such as yours is to quickly dismiss any such notion with a wave of the hand.  They start talking about the locked rooms and security clearances and all the other CYA stuff that they use to prove to themselves that everything is just peachy.

In August 2007, we all got to see why that attitude is so wrong, and why so many people are fed up with them.

Within a week of the now-famous drawing "glitches", players were reporting a problem to the lottery.  They were (rightly) stating that the numbers did not add up.  Why no doubles?

Of course, the lottery said that they ran all kinds of tests and such, but you know what?  If they really respected what the players were reporting, they would have dug deeper and found the problem right away.

Instead, the problem continued and continued for three weeks.  All the while the reaction from the lottery was basically "the players don't know what they're talking about, it's fine."

In other states that use computerized drawings, the same thing has happened, and like in Tennessee, it was players who spotted the problem and informed the lottery.

In California, a problem with the computerized Daily Derby game went on for three months before a player finally convinced the lottery to check it out.  In that case, a large percentage of tickets had a zero chance of winning a prize each and every drawing.

Can you imagine how you would feel if you loyally played that game every day, and then discovered after several months that every time you dilligently checked the numbers, hoping for a win, you never had a chance of winning?

Does anyone think that kind of error could exist with nobody noticing for three months -- or even a single day -- with a ball drawing?  I think not.

Tnmeme5177, I hope you decide to stick around and hang out with your new lottery friends here!

Tnplayer805's avatarTnplayer805

I just noticed lotto plus is up to $10 million.  It hasn't been won since March. (The 1st drawing)  I guess because of poor ticket sales.  There's no doubt in my mind if they would have kept ball drawings there would be a winner every month or so.  It's a great game...  The problem is the drawing and confidence in a lottery that is clearly in a downward spiral.

spy153's avatarspy153

Quote: Originally posted by Tnmeme5177 on Nov 19, 2008

Message to Hargrove from a TN resident,

I used to play the tnlottery daily but lost confidence after the fiasco last Aug/Sep 2007 and all of the repeats of the same numbers and constant mistakes and errors.  Bring the "real balls back".  I know for a fact that someone is tricking the machine or has interfered with the program.  There is all kinds of hacking going on in corp america......do you think its not going on with the lottery?  I tell you we can't even play a good hand of poker online anymore.  Now, I just play on occassion, but I used to be a regular and win all the time.  Since the lottery started in TN I have won several jackpots but none in the last 6-8 months.  It was exciting to see the balls drop, but now I,  and a whole lot of other hard working folk have no confidence in the lottery. 

Tell me something.....who at the lottery office is a James Bond fan?  I can't remember the last time I have seen 007 come in so many times in a 4 month span.......hint.. hint

Get my point?

Wow!  I'm a huge James Bond fan.  (Could you guess?)  That's where all of my numbers have been coming out, huh?  I've said it once, and I'll say it again....KY is my kryptonite.  Absolutely can not win anything in this stupid state.  I play one time in TN, and win.  I have played in Ky now for over 2 years, (almost three) and nothing.  I won since living here, but only because I played in TN.  I usually do win something if I play in TN.

So, cruddy or not, I guess I have to go back to TN to play.  Thank you for pointing out the 007 thing.  I play that a lot and am getting nothing here.  In fact, I do great on the prediction board (because I can bet for nothing continuously) but in real life, I'm missing every p3 by exactly one number, no matter what I play.  It feels good to hit on the prediction board, but not when every number I play in real life results in a big fat Blush 

I simply can not afford to play the numbers the way I play them on the prediction board.  But I still love the challenge and it is a nice tool for testing different methods of picking numbers.

itsmyhouse

Go to the Knoxville News Sentinel website and read the entire article.  She's blowing smoke up Bredesen's a$$...she doesn't want to admit the random number machine decision continues to impact sales, blaming Powerball for the drop in revenue doesn't fly, that game only significantly impacts sales once it's over $150M or so.  Funny how they're going back and stating that they're claiming sales will be up versus last  year...that because sales were DOWN last year because of the screw-ups and the random number machine put into play.  Let's see a comparison from 2006 vs 2007 vs 2008.

The lottery didnt have anyone to test anything other than lottery software until AFTER the random number screw up.  Whomever 'tested' that machine didn't test the expected results, they simply tested that it spit out 'random' numbers.  Therefore, since there was no analysis of the output, they put it into operation and the programming error was found three weeks later.  Emails to the company stated they did find doubles/triples, but that may have been true on the test machine, but not the production machine. 

The fact is that the lottery officials already make too much money to 'rig' any of the games.  Between six figure salaries, 15% or more bonuses AND (another fact that hasn't been made public) profit sharing included with their retirement accounts, there's already too much money on the line for them to risk it by fixing one of the games. 

chasingadream's avatarchasingadream

Quote: Originally posted by konane on Nov 19, 2008

If Paul-Hargrove is true to form she will likely be recruited by Arkansas to launch their lottery.  Maybe that's what she was planning for before the consequences of her own ill conceived decisions came back to haunt her.

This is the saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame thing that I thought when I first heard that Arkansas would possibly be getting a lottery in the next few years

copper2

Well, good posts by everyone. Cash 3 Pick 4 and scratch offs is where the Tn is losing money.  Check this out: go to cash 3 and check how many times 439,184,007 have come up. Even  000 came up TWICE within a 4 day period. other #s like 375 have not come up since 2007. ALSO, try to send the Tn lottery a message-go to contact us ,scroll down,....ok when you type your comment or question you cant use a       ?    ... it comes up as invalid character...Tn does not want player feedback or questions. I was one who sent countless emails when doubles did not hit for weeks..... The same #s repeat.Irealize this does happen in cash 3 ,but something is not right.....bring back the ping pong balls ,some players will come back....its not Powerball jackpot amounts ,.....where did she get that one? Good luck C2

LOTTOMIKE's avatarLOTTOMIKE

we all overlooked something here.

 

rebecca paul blames powerball and funny thing that's the only game here not RNG.

the lottery director was overheard speaking in hushed tones..well governor bredesen i blame powerball because i can't manipulate it like i can the other games here that are in-state.shoot mr.governor i just walk in that little control room and start tinkering with the computers but a few times i've messed up and it almost got out of hand and got me in trouble but now i've got it down to a fine art and the players for some reason are catching on and not playing as much.well me and the hubby have been staying up late watching james bond and he told me to go to work and make the machine come up 007 and before he goes to work he is going to go bet that number five or six times because we are going to order some dom perignon champaigne this weekend and we are low on funds and in fact we've done this a couple times because as you can see the tennessee lottery is sometimes like our own little piggy bank.

 

hmm mrs. lottery director i guess you scheming up ways to computerize powerball now huh?    well thank goodness your greedy hands can't touch it or it would be the next great game ruined by your ignorance and greed.

LOTTOMIKE's avatarLOTTOMIKE

someone mentioned the fact that this lotto plus game has went all this time and hasn't been won one time.i think it went years in indiana that way but of course when you have computer draws the odds get thrown out of wack as far as the jackpot being hit.with games like lotto it would get hit more often when the balls are being dropped because the computer draws are just manipulated to bring in higher jackpots so more people will spend more money which goes into the state coffers.

Todd's avatarTodd

The other thing to keep in mind is that noticably absent is that she does not blame "the economy".

Why?

Because almost every other state lottery is booming right now, with many having record years.  The poor economy actually helps lotteries, but for some reason only Tennessee is particularly bothered by "Powerball".

I hope the governor and legislators and lottery board are all asking hard questions and demanding adequate responses.

WHY doesn't she spark sales by switching to real drawings?

Because of a so-called $5 million difference in cost?  Bunk.  It would never cost an extra $5 million, if she would attempt to use some kind of fiscal responsibility.

How about bringing back the real drawings and streaming them on the Internet instead of broadcasting them on TV?  They don't broadcast the results now, with the God-forsaken computers.

Broadcast AND Internet is preferred, of course, but if she is so incapable of doing a cheap production on TV, it is vastly superior to bring back the real drawings and stream them on the Internet than it is to keep the computers.

Edit:

Here's another idea: why doesn't she start a poll on the Tennessee Lottery web site asking people if they would prefer computerized drawings with the animated cartoon bouncy balls on TV or bringing back real drawings and streaming them live on the Internet?  Include a question about which method is more trustworthy for players.

cher19622

All these comments are the truth,everyone that has posted are so tired of the way Tennessee people are treated.I wonder if she is a member on here,Todd call her up and offer a free month on here so she can read what we wrote about her.....That the best thing you could do for us all,LOL

cher19622

On the front of the web sight it says 10 million for friday night,why did she put that up there?So we (all of Tennessee residents) will go out and spend $ 10.00 for quick picks and their own draws hoping to win the 10 million,,,,,,she will make that much plus a few million to boot (probally).And she will pocket the rest that we have already spent on that game alone.   Who hired this woman?  Well as a paying lottery big time (Loser) ...............................................YOU ARE NOW FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL    Wish it was that easy.....Everyone will overload the call center tonight....

itsmyhouse

The lottery board is a farce.  I don't know how you get appointed to serve on the board, but one of the qualifications is that you must be willing to "play ball".  They're supposed to "oversee" the lottery, but its more like they're in cahoots with them instead.  The board approved (for the first time in the lottery's existence) a change in how the bonuses were paid this year...why?  So they'd have a better shot at earning it in the face of declining sales, it's now determined on less cut-and-dried methods (using calculations like "average overall increase in sales for other lotteries").  If you read the meeting minutes, there's absolutely NO discussion about it.  Decisions were all made off the record, so there would be no tracking what's going on.

Why don't they spark sales by switching to real drawings?  Because then they'd have to admit they were wrong.  That's tough for some people, especially people who seem to think the lottery is THEIR'S, not the state's.  They don't want to know what a poll of players would reveal.

They broadcast animations of the drawings on their website, cleverly created to appear like an actual ball dropping.  They don't consider the majority of players as internet users, most would rather call on the phone to get the numbers either to the recorded messages or actual lottery phone people.  The $5million dollar figure is one they wish they'd never used, that was thrown out to try and justify the move to the random number machine (that they overpaid for, btw).  There are a lot of costs involved, lots of security, multiple ball sets that have to be tested, draw specialist salaries and what they pay the tv station...but nowhere near $5mil.

Captain Lotto's avatarCaptain Lotto

I'm sure they know what you're saying.  I understand the lack of confidence.  But some questions...

You really don't think Powerball and the economy don't have something to do with it?  Not every state is booming, many are seeing a drop in sales.  People do turn to the Lottery as a way out in tough times, as long as they have money to spend.  Eventually they shut their wallets, which is what we're starting to see across the board. 

Why ball drawings for everything less than 10 numbers?  Do you trust computers for Keno games, but not Pick 3 drawings?  Isn't the QuickPick a RNG?  Most players choose and win with QP. 

Distrust from the observance that certain numbers haven't been drawn for a while runs counter to the notion of randomness.  Drawing every combination and starting over is a raffle or bingo game, not a lottery. 

I'm just saying...

cher19622

Well I'm just a dumb hillbilly from the sticks amd dont understand nothing you are all talking about but I do know one thing . All her education and stealing from us inocent people in Tennessee have to see what the lottery was put here to start with,,,,,THE EDUCATION OF OUR KIDS.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Captain Lotto on Nov 21, 2008

I'm sure they know what you're saying.  I understand the lack of confidence.  But some questions...

You really don't think Powerball and the economy don't have something to do with it?  Not every state is booming, many are seeing a drop in sales.  People do turn to the Lottery as a way out in tough times, as long as they have money to spend.  Eventually they shut their wallets, which is what we're starting to see across the board. 

Why ball drawings for everything less than 10 numbers?  Do you trust computers for Keno games, but not Pick 3 drawings?  Isn't the QuickPick a RNG?  Most players choose and win with QP. 

Distrust from the observance that certain numbers haven't been drawn for a while runs counter to the notion of randomness.  Drawing every combination and starting over is a raffle or bingo game, not a lottery. 

I'm just saying...

Think about it.

  • Keno drawn every 5 minutes with ball machines is logistically and physically impossible. 
  • Drawing 5,000 6-digit raffle numbers with a ball machine is logistically and physically impossible. 

I would not suggest what I said about 10 digits without reason.

I never said computers should be banned entirely.  They have their purposes.  But one of them is not lotto-style games.

There are basically three types of people who like computerized drawings:

  1. The companies that create the computerized drawing equipment and software
  2. The lottery personnel within a computerized drawing state
  3. Casual lottery players who pick up a quick pick every now and then, and have no idea what a computerized drawing is (just happy to have someone tell them if they won or lost).

My distrust has nothing to do with examining the numbers drawn.

It comes from my knowledge of computers, and my certainty that a 100% secure computer system has never been built.

It comes from the hundreds or even thousands of points of potential failure within a computer system each time a drawing is held.

It comes from the inability of a witness to see the method by which the numbers are drawn.

It comes from the fact that even the lottery staff itself does not truly understand the method by which the numbers are selected.

It comes from documented flaws in computerized drawings from around the country that have resulted in millions of tickets purchased with absolutely no chance of winning a prize.

Tnplayer805's avatarTnplayer805

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Nov 21, 2008

The other thing to keep in mind is that noticably absent is that she does not blame "the economy".

Why?

Because almost every other state lottery is booming right now, with many having record years.  The poor economy actually helps lotteries, but for some reason only Tennessee is particularly bothered by "Powerball".

I hope the governor and legislators and lottery board are all asking hard questions and demanding adequate responses.

WHY doesn't she spark sales by switching to real drawings?

Because of a so-called $5 million difference in cost?  Bunk.  It would never cost an extra $5 million, if she would attempt to use some kind of fiscal responsibility.

How about bringing back the real drawings and streaming them on the Internet instead of broadcasting them on TV?  They don't broadcast the results now, with the God-forsaken computers.

Broadcast AND Internet is preferred, of course, but if she is so incapable of doing a cheap production on TV, it is vastly superior to bring back the real drawings and stream them on the Internet than it is to keep the computers.

Edit:

Here's another idea: why doesn't she start a poll on the Tennessee Lottery web site asking people if they would prefer computerized drawings with the animated cartoon bouncy balls on TV or bringing back real drawings and streaming them live on the Internet?  Include a question about which method is more trustworthy for players.

The reason they don't put a poll online is because they know what the outcome will be already.  They will play dumb and assume everyone is fine with RNG.  However, they know how it would turn out.  Last year when they went to RNG they did it in a very dirty way.  We had like 3 weeks of warning...  They wanted to implement the change hoping very few would notice.  However, WE NOTICE BECCA!!!  I wonder what's next?  What else is she going to do to screw us over?

cher19622

That's why I will drive 1 hour and half to what they call the loop to play Georgia,They are so good to their players,From Murfreesboro,I will take Interstate 24 east,almost to Chattanogoo,there is a place on the Interstate where it runs into Georgia,then back into Tennessee,,,,Driving 1 1/2 hours is worth winning to me....On that exit is 4 stores to play...hehehe

Tnplayer805's avatarTnplayer805

Wildwood is a great place to play.  I try to stop everytime I go to Chattanooga.

cher19622

Thats where I play also....Hey listen to this ,I just got back from kroger,Heard 2 little ole ladies talking going down the isle,They said there where discontinuing the scratch offs,,,,well what do you  think about that?  That should tell us all  STOP PLAYING HERE    !!!!  Something is going down,,,,down town Nashville ..

LOTTOMIKE's avatarLOTTOMIKE

my sister used to buy strictly scratch offs.she always bought the 5 dollar scratch offs.she would buy two or three and would most of the time come close to making the fifteen dollars she spent back and there were a few times where she would win close to a hundred bucks.the last two times she went and did this nothing.then she said she went and bought ten at one time,no winners.i told her stop and she said she was.i told her they changed it to where its not good for the players.

MaddMike51

Personaly,I hope Tennessee keeps Rebecca Harwood.Iowa is looking for someone to replace Dr.Ed Staneck who retired earlier this year and I would hate to see Harwood as his replacement.I wouldn't wish that witch on any state,but since y'all already have her,please keep her.

Tnplayer805's avatarTnplayer805

They will NEVER get rid of the scratch games.  That would be stupid.  They sell more Instants than any other product.  I've often heard Becca say, "Instant Tickets are the bread and butter of lotteries."  They aren't going anywhere.

Todd's avatarTodd

Quote: Originally posted by Tnplayer805 on Nov 23, 2008

They will NEVER get rid of the scratch games.  That would be stupid.  They sell more Instants than any other product.  I've often heard Becca say, "Instant Tickets are the bread and butter of lotteries."  They aren't going anywhere.

I Agree!

itsmyhouse

Every state is different...some sell more online games than instants.  Tennessee is about 70/30 in favor of scratch offs.  Probably more than that now, given the impression about the rng in TN.

spy153's avatarspy153

Quote: Originally posted by Todd on Nov 21, 2008

Think about it.

  • Keno drawn every 5 minutes with ball machines is logistically and physically impossible. 
  • Drawing 5,000 6-digit raffle numbers with a ball machine is logistically and physically impossible. 

I would not suggest what I said about 10 digits without reason.

I never said computers should be banned entirely.  They have their purposes.  But one of them is not lotto-style games.

There are basically three types of people who like computerized drawings:

  1. The companies that create the computerized drawing equipment and software
  2. The lottery personnel within a computerized drawing state
  3. Casual lottery players who pick up a quick pick every now and then, and have no idea what a computerized drawing is (just happy to have someone tell them if they won or lost).

My distrust has nothing to do with examining the numbers drawn.

It comes from my knowledge of computers, and my certainty that a 100% secure computer system has never been built.

It comes from the hundreds or even thousands of points of potential failure within a computer system each time a drawing is held.

It comes from the inability of a witness to see the method by which the numbers are drawn.

It comes from the fact that even the lottery staff itself does not truly understand the method by which the numbers are selected.

It comes from documented flaws in computerized drawings from around the country that have resulted in millions of tickets purchased with absolutely no chance of winning a prize.

Even though you normally do an extremely well job of wording your comments, nicely put.

I don't believe there has ever been built a 100% secure system either.

copper2

Good point on the economy.if it was just powerball sales or lack there of then wouldn't it be a problem in all states that have powerball? The cash 3 and cash 4 in Tn have low payouts compared to Kentucky.I compare Ky and Tn cause the states are about even and actually Tn has just as many people playing cash 3 and cash4 . Tn has gone to a sum it up ,but Tn web site sure doesnt make players that aware of it ...the players are the last to know about draw break changes,more money fridays(only in November),etc ,etc...frustrating for Tn players. the lottery makes most money on scratch offs and those are not paying much at all of late.watched somene buy 20 Jumbo bucks and win 2 tickets and $3 .....it says odds are 1:4 ...wow?

cher19622

I told everyone on this post a week ago what happened to me,I went in a local market to buy the neww 200 edition Giant Jumbos,,I bought 21 of the 5.00 dollar tickets.......I got 3 free tickets ........you tell me.$105.00  and winning 3 free tickets,whats wrong with this picture? I'm stupid for ever buying the first one.I've been buying for 2 years now and nothing....I just broke my habbit 2 weeks ago,you talking abouy hard thing to do but I was weak but not any more.....Being so mad broke me from it all.......

itsmyhouse

Go to the Tennessean's website and there's a link where you can do a search of all the Lottery employees salaries.  Unbelievable, Paul-Hargrove making almost a half a million dollars a year and three of her Georgia control freaks earning over $200K a year.

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