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# 21 Combinations

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 Posted: March 16, 2009, 6:17 pm - IP Logged

Jim,

Would you please give a little more detail on what you mean by rotation!!

Moses,

I received a PM from you, but there was no message!!!

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 Posted: March 16, 2009, 6:21 pm - IP Logged

Hi Jim

I originally called this loop as "Rotating Bridging Board"

Every selected 7 numbers from the belt is one sequnce or one rotation!

The loop start repeating itself every 6280 rotations or 6280 x 7 = 43960 numbers

Hope this helps

Moses

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 Posted: March 16, 2009, 6:35 pm - IP Logged

Hi Jimmy

It was suppose to be sent as PM but came on forum!!!

Is either me or things are going bananas!

BTW, you have developed the G-tech lottery gaming software which I called it the

Master Lottery Software!

Congratulations to you.

Now, compare the data produces from this loop to the actual lottery drawn order, they are absolutely identical!

Moses

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 Posted: March 16, 2009, 6:43 pm - IP Logged

Hello Hans

Sorry in previous post I called you Jimmy by mistake!

I tried to produce 30 numbers as requested but unfortunately it is impossible to create them! The most I can do is 29 numbers and I don't think they are very accurate but if you want them you can have them!

Moses

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Hello Moses,

It actually appears that 3 out of 4 new rotations are repeating after a certain point.  Meaning for every 4 rotations you only get 1 new unique permuation?  At that rate to get through all possible 433 billion permutations would require 4*433 billion rotations?  Wow thats alot.  I guess I need to roll up my sleeves I'm going to be here a while.

At 6280 do you just re-seed the loop and start over with a different A C B seeding?  How do you know what to use as new seeding values to match gtech?

I noticed in your 25000+ sets that 6280 was the switching point between your 4 sets.  I assume this was chosen because of this repeating nature.

In your lines of 21 I assume your combining 3 sets of 7 due to belief that a single drawing (i.e. 7 numbers) is made up from multiple bridges?

So in 1 loop even with the repeating nature after 6280 rotations will I find the first UK lotto in drawn order using your algorithm or do I need to (re-seed for lack of better word) after 6280 rotations.  Like I said I can do 6 billion rotations in 1 hour single-threaded.  If I can find a way to rotate multi-threaded I could quadruple that with my quad processor.  My background is I'm a senior software engineer that writes low level network file system drivers for 20 years.  My expertise is in writing high performing distributed software.

Anyway just want to say good job on your theories and your observations.  People are so focused on you just giving out lines that they are not focusing on some of your other observations like digitial endings.  Anyway I read that other thread you mentioned from start to finish twice this weekend and each time learned something new after playing with my software and observing the rotations myself.  Guess I need to read it again to know what to do after 6280.

I seriously don't know if your theory (I mean fact) holds true (I will be a believer for sure if I wake up in the morning having found the rotation to draw 1 of UK lotto in drawn order) but my gut feeling from eyeballing the rotations and eyeballing the UK draws is that they look very similiar indeed, especially the drawn order aspect of it.  I'll let you know what I find in first 50 draws if anything.  Maybe you already know the results.  I chose the first 50 draws because the other UK lotteries did not exist yet.  I'm one of those people that does not believe in completely random.  I believe an edge can always be found but most times to find the edge means solving a problem in fashion that may be counter-intuitive if that makes sense.

See ya and keep up the research.  For others asking questions you need to ask Moses, not me, this is his work not mine.  My theory failed miserably as far as prediction goes.   I was about to switch over to Pick3 with my tail between my legs but decided to see if I could lend assistance to the loop/belt.  I don't have anything against Pick3 but I would rather lose alot and then win big.  Thats why I play keno/craps when in Vegas.  But at this point I'm so tired of losing it would feel nice to win a small pot.  Good luck to everybody.

Jimmy

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 Posted: March 17, 2009, 1:12 am - IP Logged

Hello Moses

By the way Moses don't give me the answer to 6280 I want to try and figure it out myself but I do think some action needs to be done at that particular junction point than to continue to rotate to predominantly repeating permutations.

Jimmy

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 Posted: March 17, 2009, 4:01 am - IP Logged

Well heres is what the loop looks like after 23 and 6279 very similiar.

23.    49-25-26-33-21-16-36   21-26-49-01-08-29-27-40-02-11-22-34-14-24-32-10-45-39-15-30-43-09-13-23-19-37-41-44-28-38-42-17-31-06-04-05-46-18-35-48-12-47-07-20-03-25-33-16-36
6279.  24-49-26-33-21-16-36   21-26-24-01-08-29-27-25-02-11-22-34-14-12-32-10-45-39-15-30-43-09-13-23-19-37-41-44-28-38-42-17-31-06-04-05-46-18-35-48-40-47-07-20-03-49-33-16-36

I don't see the mathematical reason though.  6279*7=43953 which is evenly divisible by 49 at 897.  I need to study it more and follow how the numbers move about the belt.

It is interesting that some of the numbers that are off are by 1/2.

See ya

Jimmy

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 Posted: March 17, 2009, 4:57 am - IP Logged

Hi Jimmy

Firstly, I won't give any clue and just let you to figure it out for yourself but don't make it difficult and search for easy solution!

Secondly, the only problem with this loop is to develop all the possible combinations is the storage, as your database increases the speed of computer reduces!

I managed to get the loop to rotate about 2.6 millions before it crashed!

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 Posted: March 17, 2009, 5:16 am - IP Logged

So in 1 loop even with the repeating nature after 6280 rotations will I find the first UK lotto in drawn order using your algorithm or do I need to (re-seed for lack of better word) after 6280 rotations.  Like I said I can do 6 billion rotations in 1 hour single-threaded.  If I can find a way to rotate multi-threaded I could quadruple that with my quad processor.  My background is I'm a senior software engineer that writes low level network file system drivers for 20 years.  My expertise is in writing high performing distributed software.

Anyway just want to say good job on your theories and your observations.  People are so focused on you just giving out lines that they are not focusing on some of your other observations like digitial endings.  Anyway I read that other thread you mentioned from start to finish twice this weekend and each time learned something new after playing with my software and observing the rotations myself.  Guess I need to read it again to know what to do after 6280.

Hi Jimmy

You make me cry, I am so flattered and must admit I worked very hard for 12 years to understand ins and outs the lottery! It took a lot of information and gathering that how or what G-tech try to achieve! Thanks anyways and the final section of my theory to be developed and at that point there won't be lottery anymore! You will have that section too after I receive reply from UK government!

Moses

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 Posted: March 18, 2009, 6:14 pm - IP Logged

Aloha Moses,

Mahalo,

Katie

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 Posted: March 18, 2009, 6:38 pm - IP Logged

Aloha Moses,

Mahalo,

Katie

Aloha Moses,

Mahalo,

Katie

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 Posted: March 19, 2009, 3:08 pm - IP Logged

Hello katie

I am afraid I cannot produce lines for any even numbers 50/52/54/56 etc, the data will be inaccurate!

BTW. Has anyone attempted to filter the 21 combination? As an example, line 01 has so many matches to line 23

25 01 27 04 31 09 37 16 45 26 08 40 22 07 42 29 15 03 43 34 24 (01)

07 35 22 47 11 12 31 02 20 39 43 26 04 34 03 42 15 16 19 44 48 (23) Line 23 has so many matches to line 13

40 13 11 43 17 45 03 26 30 16 32 34 02 41 48 06 24 05 29 42 39 (13)

I think these lines can be reduced by quite a bit and perhaps once the links or connection discovered between the lines we would see clearer pattern!

Moses

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 Posted: March 19, 2009, 7:24 pm - IP Logged

Aloha Moses,

Thanks for the insight of the combinations. I will give it a try!

Mahalo,

Katie

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 Posted: March 20, 2009, 5:34 am - IP Logged

Hello,

Well I had my program using your Sat Full Loop/Belt definition do 200 billion rotations but it never found the UK Lotto Draw 1  30,03,05,44,14,22,10 in exact order.  Of course after 6280 rotations the rotations were mostly repeating and I didn't divert the algorithm to account for this so maybe that is why.  Unless something is done at 6280 to modify the algorithm then I'm convinced that you will never find draw 1 or any other draw for that matter in exact order.

I'm leaning towards the draw being broken up into 3 parts when comparing against the belt.  If a draw is represented as A-B-C-D-E-F-BB, then it seems at casual inspection A-B-C can be found in exact order and D-E-F in exact order, I have not really seen any relationship for BB (i.e. bonus ball) yet.  So I started looking at only the UK saturday draws looking for unusual draws out of the ordinary.  In particular the following two caught my eye.

Draw 706.   10,09,11,13,02,16,26

Draw 682.    01,49,20,42,43,44,09

They caught my eye because of the consecutive nature of them.  Comparing them against the belt yielded an interesting characteristic or telltell signature.  Spot checking additional draws yielded same signature.  Now I need to check all the rest of the draws this weekend when I have more time to see if signature exists for all draws and if it yields a relationship that can link A-B-C with D-E-F.

Jimmy

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 Posted: March 20, 2009, 6:56 am - IP Logged

Hello katie

I am afraid I cannot produce lines for any even numbers 50/52/54/56 etc, the data will be inaccurate!

BTW. Has anyone attempted to filter the 21 combination? As an example, line 01 has so many matches to line 23

25 01 27 04 31 09 37 16 45 26 08 40 22 07 42 29 15 03 43 34 24 (01)

07 35 22 47 11 12 31 02 20 39 43 26 04 34 03 42 15 16 19 44 48 (23) Line 23 has so many matches to line 13

40 13 11 43 17 45 03 26 30 16 32 34 02 41 48 06 24 05 29 42 39 (13)

I think these lines can be reduced by quite a bit and perhaps once the links or connection discovered between the lines we would see clearer pattern!

Moses

I tried to do the 6/53 table in Excel, but to no avail. But, if you were able to do it, isn't there a chance the strings would be different lengths? One string might have 17 numbers, another might have 20 numbers, etc

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