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Posted: April 1, 2009, 4:57 pm - IP Logged

Hi LottoHackJack

 

It is rather funny that what you are suggesting in relation to my previous post!

You said;

<<<The ticket-vending deadline is probably required to make sure that all vending machines are offline and disabled before the draw, so that the vendors/public-at-large cannot purchase a winning ticket combo after the draw has already occurred and been made official.>>>

...and therefore all possible measures are considered to reassure that public cannot purchase unauthorised tickets after deadline but GTECH were duplicating the winning numbers themselves!!

Ask yourself this question and answer it afterwards!

Apart from machine and some balls what else is involved that the rest of the countries are seem to be incapable of doing and only GTECH can do it?

Is it the price of the equipments which Camelot or other operators cannot afford but they are selling billions of dollars per year?

Or maybe because the rest of the world including West European countries such as UK cannot build the machines or the balls but they can build the most expensive cars such as Rolls Royce and Aston Martin?

These are all absurd scenarios to even think that way so what makes the GETCH the boss of the game?

Why GTECH undertakes the UK, France, Germany, Poland and so many others lotteries and charge percentage from the income?

Well, if you cannot answer the question then I will whereas I had to find the answers for myself so that I could build up the loop or the belt!

 

GTECH discovered that with the same loop as I told you about they can produce billions of combinations and therefore they can divide the data to all countries participating in lottery but whoever sits and take a gamble with GTECH will be a loser right away!

From what I understand GTECH was claiming %18 of the sales from Camelot, can you imagine what sort of money GTECH is earning worldwide and all because of their simple discovery!

 

It is not that difficult to prove lottery is fixed, all you need is to give it good thoughts then you can find a way to show it and prove it!

 

Moses

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    Lottoshlep

    You seem to rememebring well by defending GTECH ....so is that story true or not? If not, then why the replaced the chair? I don't really think your suggestion is correct because Lottery Commission forced Camelot to purchase the software from GTECH and of course this cannot be over few hundred pounds?

    You should remember this, in gambling there is no trust and if there is gambling then there is a way of cheating! Every lottery operator cheats in different ways and means!

    Moses

    All you have done so far is speculate without proof, provided nothing but conjecture, and posted some contorted article which you may have even doctored up to suit your dubious claim of conspiracy ... it's all very weak. 

    As far trying to deflect attention away from that by implying that I am defending GTECH that won't fly either, I'm simply looking at the historical records which in no way support your disjointed ramblings.

    IF (and that's a very BIG if) you could have proven any claim of wrongdoing, if you could have exposed any conspiracy, why haven't you done so already? Haven't you had ample time? I can only think of one reason why you've done nothing, gotten nowhere ... and that is: there is (was) no conspiracy, you have no real proof.

    Finally, the reason the "chair" was let go is because of the cover-up of the incompetence that happened on his watch, it was a screwup which he either knowingly or unknowingly let pass without correcting, or without coming clean about as soon as it was internally found out.  Any one of those was a good enough reason to let him go. It's all on record if you or anyone else cares to look it up.

    Oh, and BTW, in these matters I trust no one without verification ... including you.

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      Posted: April 2, 2009, 3:46 am - IP Logged

      Where did you get this information from, could you point me to it please! I like to read the full story!

      Many thanks!

      ....and BTW when I get the story then I'll show you how I can prove lottery is fixed and I bet you can do the same too but .... 

      Moses

      Finally, the reason the "chair" was let go is because of the cover-up of the incompetence that happened on his watch, it was a screwup which he either knowingly or unknowingly let pass without correcting, or without coming clean about as soon as it was internally found out.  Any one of those was a good enough reason to let him go. It's all on record if you or anyone else cares to look it up

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        Posted: April 2, 2009, 4:52 am - IP Logged

        Where did you get this information from, could you point me to it please! I like to read the full story!

        Many thanks!

        ....and BTW when I get the story then I'll show you how I can prove lottery is fixed and I bet you can do the same too but .... 

        Moses

        Finally, the reason the "chair" was let go is because of the cover-up of the incompetence that happened on his watch, it was a screwup which he either knowingly or unknowingly let pass without correcting, or without coming clean about as soon as it was internally found out.  Any one of those was a good enough reason to let him go. It's all on record if you or anyone else cares to look it up

        Had you taken the time to read it I already gave you a link which would have lead you to the info. All of it is a matter of public record as I said before.

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          Posted: April 2, 2009, 2:14 pm - IP Logged

          " ....and BTW when I get the story then I'll show you how I can prove lottery is fixed and I bet you can do the same too but .... "

           

          ...Well, moses...A lot of people who feel that all lotteries are scams will diligently look for ways to prove it, or else they will simply refuse to participate in lotteries in any capacity.

          ...In your case, that belief in scams has prompted you to discover the bands/loops theory. It is much easier to convince one that lotteries follow a bands/loops mathematical formula of some sort from draw to draw, but it's more difficult to convince one that all commisssions are crooks because such a phenomenon may exist. If the draws were all electronic instead of physical, then we might blame software on any repetitive consistencies or inconsistencies during the draws.

          ...There is usually no need for the lottery organizers to be crooked...they are already overpaid to the point of not wanting to risk their jobs.

          ...I'm still unsure as to whether your discovery can help you to pick some of the correct numbers for the next draw. Let's concentrate on that...Full steam ahead...

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            Posted: April 2, 2009, 4:14 pm - IP Logged

            Hello LottoHackJack

             

            With all due respect but you both are skipping my key question!

            If lottery is random then what makes GTECH the big boss or the backbone of the lottery worldwide? I think this question is valid to ask!

            What GTECH wants in France, Germany, Spain, Poland, UK, Ireland, and all the rest of it?

            Well, I say there is software involved and GETCH is the only source for it!

            What is your theory? If you don’t know the answer then go and find out!

             

            In respect of proving lottery is rigged that can easily be done all you have to do is, think! If you wanted to fix the lottery then how do you do it and what steps you must take to achieve it and what sort of tools are required for it? Now, seriously go and think and come up with some theory please!

            After you created your idea to fixed your lottery then you will have another idea how you can decode it!

            Luckily math’s is here to prove who is right and who is wrong.

            If you’ll be kind enough to give me your own theory then I will tell you how I will decode it and if you need help to build up your theory then I will help you with that too!

            Moses

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              Posted: April 2, 2009, 7:23 pm - IP Logged

              Hello LottoHackJack

               

              With all due respect but you both are skipping my key question!

              If lottery is random then what makes GTECH the big boss or the backbone of the lottery worldwide? I think this question is valid to ask!

              What GTECH wants in France, Germany, Spain, Poland, UK, Ireland, and all the rest of it?

              Well, I say there is software involved and GETCH is the only source for it!

              What is your theory? If you don’t know the answer then go and find out!

               

              In respect of proving lottery is rigged that can easily be done all you have to do is, think! If you wanted to fix the lottery then how do you do it and what steps you must take to achieve it and what sort of tools are required for it? Now, seriously go and think and come up with some theory please!

              After you created your idea to fixed your lottery then you will have another idea how you can decode it!

              Luckily math’s is here to prove who is right and who is wrong.

              If you’ll be kind enough to give me your own theory then I will tell you how I will decode it and if you need help to build up your theory then I will help you with that too!

              Moses

              Well, I'm not the one claiming that 'lottery is rigged' thus I don't have to offer a theory to that end .... the onus is on you to prove your theory of a world-wide lottery conspiracy. So far you have not posted anything that could be even remotely considered proof, it's all been speculation.

              Further, among other things, it's blanket statements like this one: " what makes GTECH the big boss or the backbone of the lottery worldwide which just don't cut the mustard. For example, GTECH provides no software nor ticket terminal services anywhere in Canada, not for the National nor for any provincial lottery corporations.

              To my knowledge, the only involvement they have here so far is possibly contracting a printing service for one (maybe 2) provinces for scratch-off  ticket games, through one of their subsidiaries ... think it's called LOTTOMATICA.  Note that I said "possibly" because that service may or may not have started yet because the last info I saw on that was just a proposal and/or a contract bid in progress (it can be fairly easily confirmed one way or the other).

              In the same vain, one can also find the involvement of GTECH in the "rest of the world", what kind of 'coverage' they really have, how many actual lotteries they're involved with, etc. I don't have the exact numbers but I do know that it's not as wide spread as you would like us to believe.

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                Hello lottoshlep

                Do you mean that Canadian Operators or authorities are incapable of providing so called “Printing Services” by themselves so they need GTECH to do it for them and you expect me to believe something as silly as this? Well, how much GTECH charges to do this for you guys?

                One of the tools which is required to rig the lottery is to collect the actual data (combinations covered by players) in advance for the calculation time is the “Satellite Terminals

                One in so many retailers is equipped with this and that is not my imagination just ask the retailers they will tell you!

                If you have doubt about GTECH involvement to how many countries just go to their website, they are not hiding it so why do you?

                I am not here to argue with you but do you ever wonder what happens to your numbers or combinations once is registered with the machine, you cannot say nothing whereas it must be registered somewhere in case you lose your ticket or other reasons!

                We are talking about millions and millions of combinations and from this millions and millions of combinations just one person wins the lottery? How very odd this is...

                The other thing I don’t understand that LottoHackJack suggested with birthday numbers theory, what does it really mean? If my kids are 3 and 7 my next door neighbour’s kids must be the same age so we select the same numbers?! I am 57 and still a kid to my parents so what numbers should they choose for their selection in 649 lottery?

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                  Hello lottoshlep

                  Do you mean that Canadian Operators or authorities are incapable of providing so called “Printing Services” by themselves so they need GTECH to do it for them and you expect me to believe something as silly as this? Well, how much GTECH charges to do this for you guys?

                  One of the tools which is required to rig the lottery is to collect the actual data (combinations covered by players) in advance for the calculation time is the “Satellite Terminals

                  One in so many retailers is equipped with this and that is not my imagination just ask the retailers they will tell you!

                  If you have doubt about GTECH involvement to how many countries just go to their website, they are not hiding it so why do you?

                  I am not here to argue with you but do you ever wonder what happens to your numbers or combinations once is registered with the machine, you cannot say nothing whereas it must be registered somewhere in case you lose your ticket or other reasons!

                  We are talking about millions and millions of combinations and from this millions and millions of combinations just one person wins the lottery? How very odd this is...

                  The other thing I don’t understand that LottoHackJack suggested with birthday numbers theory, what does it really mean? If my kids are 3 and 7 my next door neighbour’s kids must be the same age so we select the same numbers?! I am 57 and still a kid to my parents so what numbers should they choose for their selection in 649 lottery?

                  Moses

                  "Do you mean that Canadian Operators or authorities are incapable of providing so called "Printing Services" by themselves so they need GTECH to do it for them and you expect me to believe something as silly as this?"

                   

                  Frankly I don't really care what you believe, but the above is a very naive statement ... ever heard of tenders and bids? How about competition for contracts?

                  Being silly applies somewhat differently than you intended here. It's an understatement in this instance, because it's not only your parents who now perceive you as "still a kid", especially when you utter statements like the one quoted above.

                  Anyway, 'Printing Services' for scratch-off tickets are completely irrelevant to your conspiratorial theory. There's absolutely no connection between scratchies and implied software manipulation of lotto tickets (your claim). Your feeble attempt at yet another diversion smells of the proverbial red-herring, there's no need to dwell on it any longer.

                  The rest of your post is just more speculative hogwash, you twist my words, accuse me of hiding something, provide no specifics, no facts ... we've heard this conspirative drivel from you before.

                  Try posting some verifiable facts for a change ...

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                    Some Facts

                     

                    In every gambling organisations such as casinos the actual operators have very sophisticated systems implemented such as sharing information amongst all of them to recognise the professional gamblers so the system or the house will not lose to these professionals! This sort of searching or distractions applies in lottery too. The lottery systems do have their spy’s or watchdogs to surf the net and discover who said what!

                      In some cases they even invite people to come and speak about their winning systems!

                    I don’t know how many members this forum has but not everyone will post and some will read and move on but there some who likes to discredit the messenger rather listening to the actual message like you!

                    If you think my information unsuitable to you then move on!

                     

                    Best of regards

                     

                    Moses

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                      Some Facts

                       

                      In every gambling organisations such as casinos the actual operators have very sophisticated systems implemented such as sharing information amongst all of them to recognise the professional gamblers so the system or the house will not lose to these professionals! This sort of searching or distractions applies in lottery too. The lottery systems do have their spy’s or watchdogs to surf the net and discover who said what!

                        In some cases they even invite people to come and speak about their winning systems!

                      I don’t know how many members this forum has but not everyone will post and some will read and move on but there some who likes to discredit the messenger rather listening to the actual message like you!

                      If you think my information unsuitable to you then move on!

                       

                      Best of regards

                       

                      Moses

                      "The lottery systems do have their spy’s or watchdogs to surf the net and discover who said what!"

                      Come on Moses, don't veil it, come right out and say it ... you think I'm one of them?

                      You've done a fine job of discrediting yourself all by yourself, IMO, although some of the questions helped to steer you in that direction. But  you're starting to display a bit of paranoia now. Not really surprising since it is closely related to conspiracy, it's like they're first cousins!

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                        Just so that everyone is clear on this point: Canada's Interprovincial Lottery Corporation, and it's provincial partners, are not involved with GTECH in any meaningful way which could possibly allow GTECH manipulation of lottery tickets or draw results (scratch-off ticket printing is immaterial).

                        To maintain a tiny shred of credibility, when Moses again presents himself as the all-knowing, he's now being asked to prove these statements:

                        "One of the tools which is required to rig the lottery is to collect the actual data (combinations covered by players) in advance for the calculation time is the "Satellite Terminals".

                        One in so many retailers is equipped with this and that is not my imagination just ask the retailers they will tell you!"

                         

                        All the factual info available points to the contrary, so he needs to show us specifically where in Canada GTECH provides these services.

                        His whole conspiracy premise is based on GTECH's manipulation of draw results. Without their involvement in Canada, that theory falls flat on its face here, it becomes bogus. So, I reiterate: the onus is on Moses to prove any of his claims.

                        Judging by his previous performance I sincerely doubt that he can do the following: be factual, precise, and avoid speculative and/or blanket statements ... failure to do so will hasten the departure of any of his remaining credibility right out the window.

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                          Posted: April 4, 2009, 12:55 pm - IP Logged

                          Hello Moses

                          Can't believe I found you here. Was working your table from another forum. You had 2 tables which we used for Wed. and Sat. Back up a few pages you said you could do a table for 59 numbers. Can you post that?? I still have your other tables and am working those just like you stated here. I am trying to work it for the 5/59 PB. My one table, starting 25 1 27, hits pretty good. The other table hits 0,1,2,3 times. I will await your reply.

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                            Well, hello turtle0747

                            Good to see you here too!

                            I don't know if my program can handle 59 numbers but I will try and let you know!

                            Moses

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                              OK Probably the reason I am geting some low hits is because of the 50 numbers.