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Hi,

i ask this question to gather some opinions on this matter.
Here's an example: There are 10 shortsums in a Pick3 game,
The average skip of each shortsum is 10 draws.

Let's say we look at the last 5 times each shortsum has come in,
and the example take is GA eve
Shortsum 0 : 10  15  6  5  10
Shortsum 1 : 12  5  0  22  5
Shortsum 2 : 6  18  4  1  5
Shortsum 3 : 21  14  14  5  15
Shortsum 4 : 7  7  7  11  13
Shortsum 5 : 0  0  7  10  1
Shortsum 6 : 2  8  5  6  28
Shortsum 7 : 45  15  27  1  0
Shortsum 8 : 14  13  2  8  0
Shortsum 9 : 3  0  0  2  4

Please say, in your point of view, which shortsum(s) should be considered to be hot, and with a little explanation, it would be great.

 

The digits: Again, in your point of view, when is a digit 'hot' or should be considered hot?

 

Same for boxed pairs, and straight pairs, etc...

 

Just express your opinion on this matter please.
If you think of any other filter-item you would like to talk about, please do so.

Wanna talk about when some item is 'cold', feel welcome to do so.

cheers
Ricky

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    Shortsum 0 : 10  15  6  5  10
    Shortsum 1 : 12  5  0  22  5
    Shortsum 2 : 6  18  4  1  5
    Shortsum 3 : 21  14  14  5  15
    Shortsum 4 : 7  7  7  11  13
    Shortsum 5 : 0  0  7  10  1
    Shortsum 6 : 2  8  5  6  28
    Shortsum 7 : 45  15  27  1  0
    Shortsum 8 : 14  13  2  8  0
    Shortsum 9 : 3  0  0  2  4

    The obvious as hot looks like shortsum 9 but has it run its course. Further draw history would be helpful to visualy run hit skip on hot runs.
    The same opinion would go for cold like the shortsum 3 with longest skips being 10 or higher having one draw below 10 out of the five posted.
    That info would give me an opinion on when something is going to become active or inactive.

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      Posted: September 28, 2009, 12:04 pm - IP Logged

      Hi,

      i ask this question to gather some opinions on this matter.
      Here's an example: There are 10 shortsums in a Pick3 game,
      The average skip of each shortsum is 10 draws.

      Let's say we look at the last 5 times each shortsum has come in,
      and the example take is GA eve
      Shortsum 0 : 10  15  6  5  10
      Shortsum 1 : 12  5  0  22  5
      Shortsum 2 : 6  18  4  1  5
      Shortsum 3 : 21  14  14  5  15
      Shortsum 4 : 7  7  7  11  13
      Shortsum 5 : 0  0  7  10  1
      Shortsum 6 : 2  8  5  6  28
      Shortsum 7 : 45  15  27  1  0
      Shortsum 8 : 14  13  2  8  0
      Shortsum 9 : 3  0  0  2  4

      Please say, in your point of view, which shortsum(s) should be considered to be hot, and with a little explanation, it would be great.

       

      The digits: Again, in your point of view, when is a digit 'hot' or should be considered hot?

       

      Same for boxed pairs, and straight pairs, etc...

       

      Just express your opinion on this matter please.
      If you think of any other filter-item you would like to talk about, please do so.

      Wanna talk about when some item is 'cold', feel welcome to do so.

      cheers
      Ricky

      I would say this one, Shortsum 9 : 3  0  0  2  4,  but it could be making a balancing move. Look at shortsum 7, skip 45. When it finally hits, look for it to be back in less than 5 draws. If I remember correctly, Thoth once told me that you have a 50/50 chance for any filter to come back within 5 draws.

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        Posted: September 28, 2009, 12:14 pm - IP Logged

        Hi,

        do not pick just one from the list, but look at all of them,
        surely sometimes one would pick several that match "hot", no?

        For example, if the average skip is 10, and the last 3 skips were let's say 5  8  4
        then the sum of those skips would be 17.
        Devided by 3, that makes 5,6 average.
        So 5.6 is lower than for example 6 (as milestone, everything that is lower skip than the 'milestone' is hot), or 7 (as milestone), or 8 (as milestone), then something is hot.
        That is what i mean with my question.

        cheers
        Ricky

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          Posted: September 28, 2009, 12:37 pm - IP Logged

          Shortsum

          0A10156510
          Shortsum
          1A1250225
          Shortsum2H618415
          Shortsum3C211414515
          Shortsum4A7771113
          Shortsum5VH007101
          Shortsum6A285628
          Shortsum7C45152710
          Shortsum8H1413280
          Shortsum9VH30024

           

           

          VH=Very Hot

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            it will be easier if you split the short sums in 2 parts primary and secondary based on history on your own state

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              Hi,

              i ask this question to gather some opinions on this matter.
              Here's an example: There are 10 shortsums in a Pick3 game,
              The average skip of each shortsum is 10 draws.

              Let's say we look at the last 5 times each shortsum has come in,
              and the example take is GA eve
              Shortsum 0 : 10  15  6  5  10
              Shortsum 1 : 12  5  0  22  5
              Shortsum 2 : 6  18  4  1  5
              Shortsum 3 : 21  14  14  5  15
              Shortsum 4 : 7  7  7  11  13
              Shortsum 5 : 0  0  7  10  1
              Shortsum 6 : 2  8  5  6  28
              Shortsum 7 : 45  15  27  1  0
              Shortsum 8 : 14  13  2  8  0
              Shortsum 9 : 3  0  0  2  4

              Please say, in your point of view, which shortsum(s) should be considered to be hot, and with a little explanation, it would be great.

               

              The digits: Again, in your point of view, when is a digit 'hot' or should be considered hot?

               

              Same for boxed pairs, and straight pairs, etc...

               

              Just express your opinion on this matter please.
              If you think of any other filter-item you would like to talk about, please do so.

              Wanna talk about when some item is 'cold', feel welcome to do so.

              cheers
              Ricky

              Shortsum is a better indicator of Cold Sums than Hot, because of the Bell Curve and the Distribution of Combinations. More Hits occur in the Sum 09 thru 18 Range.

              Pick 3 "RS" to "Sum" Cross-Reference

              RS0=Sum 00
              RS1=Sum 01, 10, 19
              RS2=Sum 02, 11, 20
              RS3=Sum 03, 12, 21
              RS4=Sum 04, 13, 22
              RS5=Sum 05, 14, 23
              RS6=Sum 06, 15, 24
              RS7=Sum 07, 16, 25
              RS8=Sum 08, 17, 26
              RS9=Sum 09, 18, 27

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                Okay,

                let's go more into detail, because it seems it is not very clear...

                When one looks at the shortsums i posted, one can see in  a split second what shortsum is "hot".

                The thing is, why is it hot?

                Break it down into a logical process.
                "Ah, it is hot because the last n-skips (n can stand for 3, or 4, or any other amount of your choice) are lower than the average skip"

                The main question is: Why and when is something considered "Hot".

                (digits: with an average skip of 3.33 draws, if a digit hits 3 times in the last 4 draws, it is considered hot --> think about all the other filter items, HighLow, InOut, OddEven, VTraks, ...)

                Vent your opinion...

                cheers
                Ricky

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                  Shortsum (SLD) is a better indicator of Cold Sums than Hot, because of the Bell Curve and the Distribution of Combinations. More Hits occur in the Sum 09 thru 18 Range.

                  Pick 3 "SLD" to "Sum" Cross-Reference:

                  SLD0=Sum 00 10 20
                  SLD1=Sum 01 11 21
                  SLD2=Sum 02 12 22
                  SLD3=Sum 03 13 23
                  SLD4=Sum 04 14 24
                  SLD5=Sum 05 15 25
                  SLD6=Sum 06 16 26
                  SLD7=Sum 07 17 27
                  SLD8=Sum 08 18
                  SLD9=Sum 09 19

                  Each shortsum is made of of multiple Sums which have unique properties of their own (Freq/Skip). When you look at shortsum (Freq/Skip) you are looking at a composite of the (Freq/Skip) of the Sums grouped in that shortsum.

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                    I better give it a try myself.

                    There can be more than one definition of what can be considered as being Hot and ot Cold.

                    Never mind wrong spelling of words, so long as you understand what I am trying to say.

                    By the way, name of filters matter not of course as you know, for example as you pointed out the 10 "ShortSums" can be taken as being just the same as the 10 straight digits on any given pick 3 or pick 4 position as each of the LDR patterns has an equal filtering value in combinations.

                    There are only 2 things that count:

                    How many of the given patterns for that particular filter are there?

                    And

                    Are each of the given patterns equal or not for that filter? And if not, then, What is the value of each of them in amount of combinations (Pick 3 or whatever)?

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                    First of all, let us try to deal with with a "Filter" whose patterns have "equal filtering value" to them.

                    Let us take a filter with 2 values, a and b.

                    "a" represents 1/2 of the total number of combinations and the same goes for "b".

                    1 "complete cycle" is 2 draws.

                    Because on a 2 patterns filter on 2 draws, one of each pattern can come out one time, 1 cycle (2 draws) can't be used, 1 1/2 cycle (3 draws) or longer (more than 3 draws) can be used for making definitions of what can be taken as being Hot and or Cold.

                    For example:

                    a

                    b

                    a

                    = a Is Hot and b is Cold

                    -----

                    The same applies to:

                    a

                    a

                    b and also to

                    b

                    a

                    a

                    And

                    a

                    a

                    a

                    Still a is Hot and b is cold.

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                    As you can see here, it is much better if Half of the given patterns are Hot and the other Half is cold, after all both pf these patterns have "equal filtering value"

                    You only need to know which half of the patterns are Hot as the rest of them will be Cold by default, but this might not always apply with all filters.

                    -----------

                    A filter with 3 patterns?

                    1 2 3

                    It is possible for the same pattern to repeat or come out a number of times in sequence, only study of the patterns can tell.

                    1 cycle here = 3 draws.

                    It is very unlikely that any-one of the 3 patterns would come out in straight sequence more than 6 times.

                    Only testing can tell for sure, but perhaps 12 draws would be enough in which can be determined which one of the 3 patterns is Hotter or which 2 patterns are Hotter.

                    But on 3 patterns, it might be best to try to determine Which is:

                    Red (Hot)

                    White (Neutral)

                    Blue (Cold)

                    -------

                    Whichever of the 3 patterns on a given number of draws (always the same number of draws) comes out the most often is Red, comes 2nd most often is White, comes 3rd most often or by default is Blue.

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                    If 2 pattterns come out the same number of times, the Tie Braker can be that the one which came last of the two patterns is the one that is Hot,

                    for example:

                    2

                    1

                    1

                    2

                    = 2 Is Hottest.

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                    The other possible way to determine Hottest or Hot ranking is by given each of the past draws used a given value of points, for example:

                    If 12 past draws are used then:

                    12

                    11

                    10

                    09

                    08

                    07

                    06

                    05

                    04

                    03

                    02

                    01

                    To the right of the values you have the patterns such as:

                    12 1

                    11 3

                    10 1

                    09 2

                    Etc

                    You add the points for each of the patterns to determine which one is Red, White, Blue.

                    ----------

                    If a filter has 4 patterns, 2 patterns would be Hot and 2 patterns Cold. No White used here.

                    Same rules as above apply for determining what is Hot and what is cold.

                    How many pasts draws to use?

                    Only real testing can tell.

                    4 past draws are 1 cycle, use as many past draws as testing will tell what is best to use.

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                    A 5 patterns filter:

                    Either 5 levels of temperature or 3 Levels such as Red, White, Blue,

                    Red = 2 Patterns

                    White = 3 Patterns

                    Blue = 2 patterns.

                    --------

                    Etc up to maybe 10 patterns or more.

                    A 10 pattern filter = 5 Hot and 5 Blue

                    A 6 pattern filter = 3 Hot and 3 Blue

                    8 patterns = 4 Hot and 4 Blue.

                    The above rules of selection apply.

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                    For filters that have patterns that are not equally even, special selection rules of temperature would apply, it would be done on a case by case thing.

                    ------------

                    Maybe that explained better what Ricky asked for.

                    Or maybe that is what Ricky was asking for.

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                    As you can see, I didn't talk about skips, Why complicate things any more than they are needed?

                    Perhaps I could have talked about skips, but I don't see a need for it yet, maybe if it was really needed for some paticular reason and or filter.

                    Perhaps what you want are, Hot and Cold Skips for all filter patterns?

                    I can tell and show how to know which skips are Hot and which are Cold if that is what is needed.

                    I long thought about these things, but since I am not myself a programmer, I said to myself, "Why Bother With it?"

                    I am shocked that Ricky posted about it, I thought that I was the only one interested in this kind of thing.

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                    I could of course give particular examples, but it is better like this and just let you figure it out by yourself unless you ask about 1 or 2 particular examples, then you can figure the rest out by yourself.

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                      By the way, as I said, there is no need to use skips, you can do it sort of like this, as LotSoft already gives this info in this way:

                      Beware of any mistakes that I might make!

                      Georgia (GA) Cash 3 Midday Past Winning Numbers
                      Draw Date       Results
                      Mon, Sep 28, 2009    1-7-6 14 4
                      Sun, Sep 27, 2009    7-6-4 17 7
                      Sat, Sep 26, 2009    4-8-0 12 2
                      Fri, Sep 25, 2009    1-2-2 05 5
                      Thu, Sep 24, 2009    3-5-3 11 1
                      Wed, Sep 23, 2009    5-3-3 11 1
                      Tue, Sep 22, 2009    3-6-3 12 2
                      Mon, Sep 21, 2009    0-1-7 08 8
                      Sun, Sep 20, 2009    6-0-5 11 1
                      Sat, Sep 19, 2009    6-7-7 20 0
                      I did the Sums and the LDRs by hand.
                      The draws, I got from L.P.
                      How many past draws to use?
                      Depends on the selection method used for making the Temperature Ratings.
                      Mostly, testing tells, besides using a particular temperature selection method.

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                        As I said, I make mistakes:

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                        A 5 patterns filter:

                        Either 5 levels of temperature or 3 Levels such as Red, White, Blue,

                        Red = 2 Patterns

                        White = 3 Patterns

                        Blue = 2 patterns.

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                        It should have been:

                        -----------

                        A 5 patterns filter:

                        Either 5 levels of temperature or 3 Levels such as Red, White, Blue,

                        Red = 2 Patterns

                        White = 1 Pattern

                        Blue = 2 patterns.

                        --------

                        Maybe there are more mistakes somewhere.

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                        For a 5 Patterns Filter 5 Levels of temperature would be best!

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                          Instead of using, Hot, Cold, Etc.

                          It would be best to use digits, such as 0, 1, 2, 3, ,4 ,5, 6 Etc.

                          The lower the digit, the Hotter, for example:

                          5 Levels:

                          0

                          1

                          2

                          3

                          4

                          0 = Hottest

                          4 = Coldest.

                          --------

                          Some filters would have just 0 and 1, others might have 09, 27 or more.

                          This is to make the "Temperature Rating System" more Universal and a most-have due to the nature of the filters and their patterns.

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                             "Hot" .... When is something "Hot" ?   Hmmmmm

                               Well..... I agree with almost all of what's written up there so far. I could put in my 2 cents too ......but it would still leave us in the same place we have all been stuck in for a while now, and that's still asking the question .... LOL       " What is Hot?    LOL   

                             Maybe the answer is already out there somewhere...... just in a different place perhaps than lottery. In a different industry or a different discipline ....just waiting to be applied to our needs. For example.

                             Remember in the movie " The Hunt for Red October" .....when Jonesy, the Sonar operator explained that his sonar.... that was now used for tracking subs ....... was originally used to detect seismic anomalies ! When the sonar became confused it would sometimes ....."Run home to Mama" and call things it couldn't identify ...." biologics." (whales humping)  LOL 

                              But now ....they had a new need for this old software ...and modified it for a completely "new app."   

                             

                             Warren Buffet has just put a lot of his money behind a new Chinese electric car manufacturer. The fella that started it is a real firecracker...... Mr. Wang Chuanfu.  Now, he's the richest man in China ! 

                             Anyway.... Mr Wang says, " The technology is not really that new or complex."  He says .... that most technology is .....

                                  1.  60% publicly available   

                                  2.  30% existing products

                                  3.   5%  already available materials

                                   4. 5 % original research   

                             

                              Anyway..... this is all building up to this.  The answer is probably already out there !  It's probably being used to track Honey Bee's or something.  LOL

                                                       If you can flowchart it, you can simulate it!  Patriot

                             

                             

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                              I have no idea where Ricky is going with this, but I'm anxious to find out.