How many pre-test draws are normal?Prev Topic Next Topic

New Topic New Poll

Tenaj

Charlotte NC
United States
Member #17,405
June 18, 2005
4,074 Posts
Offline

Nov 30, 2009, 5:15 pm

I'm curious to know how many pre-test draws in the pick 3 and 4 games are normal? NC have 3 pre-test draws before the draw. The 4th is the draw and they do another one after that and said that if things didn't look right they will do another one. Is that normal? How many pre-test draws are normal.

takeemtothebank
destinycreation

South Carolina
United States
Member #18,321
July 9, 2005
1,836 Posts
Offline

Nov 30, 2009, 5:28 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Tenaj on Nov 30, 2009
I'm curious to know how many pre-test draws in the pick 3 and 4 games are normal? NC have 3 pre-test draws before the draw. The 4th is the draw and they do another one after that and said that if things didn't look right they will do another one. Is that normal? How many pre-test draws are normal.

How do Pretest draws affect the actual drawing ???
hesperides

Houston, TX
United States
Member #72,538
March 20, 2009
1,102 Posts
Offline

Nov 30, 2009, 5:45 pm

Texas has 4 pre-tests before each drawing.
jim695

Columbia City, Indiana
United States
Member #2,978
December 9, 2003
381 Posts
Offline

Nov 30, 2009, 5:46 pm

I don't know how you'd define what's "normal," but the number of pre-test and post-test drawings performed is entirely up to the lottery director in each state. As an engineer, I'd think one pre-test draw and one post-test draw would be sufficient to ensure the machines are working properly. PowerBall also performs three pre-test draws and another one after the actual prize drawing, so in that respect I suppose one could say the schedule you've outlined is normal.

Personally, I think they do it just to throw off system players. Many times, especially in the Daily Games, the numbers predicted will come up in the test drawings. I've noticed this phenomenon in several states that publish their test draws, including North Carolina. Just two years ago, most state lotteries performed only two test draws, one before the prize drawing and another one after, so the practice is fairly recent.

Come, Pinky; we must prepare for tomorrow night...

Jim
LANTERN

Tx
United States
Member #4,570
May 4, 2004
5,180 Posts
Offline

Nov 30, 2009, 8:25 pm

I could not find the pretest information, do they post it?

What they do is rotten.

A game can be fixed in that way.

Keep on doing pretests until a number that few people bought comes out.

---------------

4 Pretests before the draw is bad enough, there should not be any more pretests after the "actual" draw.

I guess there is no such thing as an actual draw anymore.

BibleOnline ParishesOnline ChristianRadioOnline MassOnline Mass

"Ten measures of beauty descended to the world, nine were taken by Jerusalem."
hesperides

Houston, TX
United States
Member #72,538
March 20, 2009
1,102 Posts
Offline

Nov 30, 2009, 8:37 pm

Texas

funny thing is that a few triples we are expecting show up on the pre-test
rdgrnr

100

The Hall Of The Mountain Kings Tennessee
United States
Member #73,902
April 28, 2009
15,378 Posts
Offline

Nov 30, 2009, 9:31 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Tenaj on Nov 30, 2009
I'm curious to know how many pre-test draws in the pick 3 and 4 games are normal? NC have 3 pre-test draws before the draw. The 4th is the draw and they do another one after that and said that if things didn't look right they will do another one. Is that normal? How many pre-test draws are normal.

I don't think there should be any test draws prior to the official draw.

They can prove the balls or machine isn't fixed with additional draws after the official draw. I would have more faith in a system like that.
four4me

MD
United States
Member #1,701
June 18, 2003
10,731 Posts
Offline

Nov 30, 2009, 9:50 pm

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Nov 30, 2009
I don't think there should be any test draws prior to the official draw.

They can prove the balls or machine isn't fixed with additional draws after the official draw. I would have more faith in a system like that.

so you would want to get in on the fix!

you wouldn't mind having them black out the drawing when the machine fails to work for some reason. Then they draw the balls off the air and broadcast the numbers on their website. Yea i bet people would jump for joy for that.

If 333 showed up in three pre test draws, the official draw and the after draw then there could possibly be ball or machine tampering going on.

Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend.
joker17

United States
Member #75,356
June 1, 2009
5,345 Posts
Offline

Nov 30, 2009, 10:10 pm

There's nothing normal about any amount of pre-tests. What a scam this is. I've said this a thousand times. It's just a ploy to throw off the natural flow of numbers.

The crap about making sure the machine is working properly is rediculous. If a machine is going to break down, it'll break down no matter how many times you pre-test it. In fact, they are aiding the breakdown by conducting multiple pretests every day, sometimes twice a day.

There is no such thing as perpetual motion, meaning, no machine that has moving parts will run forever because of wear and tear. So effectively what they're doing is speeding up the wear and tear process.

I'd be very intersted to see the stats showing how many times they've actually had a machine break down during a test, in order to show the effectiveness of pretesting. I'm willing to bet the machine breakdown frequency is equivalent to the number of times a bull goes sky diving on Fridays.
rdgrnr

100

The Hall Of The Mountain Kings Tennessee
United States
Member #73,902
April 28, 2009
15,378 Posts
Offline

Nov 30, 2009, 10:49 pm

Quote: Originally posted by four4me on Nov 30, 2009
so you would want to get in on the fix!

you wouldn't mind having them black out the drawing when the machine fails to work for some reason. Then they draw the balls off the air and broadcast the numbers on their website. Yea i bet people would jump for joy for that.

If 333 showed up in three pre test draws, the official draw and the after draw then there could possibly be ball or machine tampering going on.

There would be evidence of ball or machine tampering if 333 came up repeatedly before or after the drawing. Ideally, there should be a standard maintained by all states to instill confidence in the game. It's highly doubtful anyone would tamper either way (with test draws before or after). The dadgum machine ain't nothing but a blower and a bunch of ping pong balls. What is there to break down?
Tenaj

Charlotte NC
United States
Member #17,405
June 18, 2005
4,074 Posts
Offline

Nov 30, 2009, 11:59 pm

I hope this is not becoming a common practice. Too bad there is not a cap of how many pre-test/post draws can be performed.

takeemtothebank
four4me

MD
United States
Member #1,701
June 18, 2003
10,731 Posts
Offline

Dec 1, 2009, 1:21 am

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Nov 30, 2009
There would be evidence of ball or machine tampering if 333 came up repeatedly before or after the drawing. Ideally, there should be a standard maintained by all states to instill confidence in the game. It's highly doubtful anyone would tamper either way (with test draws before or after). The dadgum machine ain't nothing but a blower and a bunch of ping pong balls. What is there to break down?

On numerous occasions the Maryland's ball machines lottery failed to turn on. Several times the ball didn't pop up possibly a vacuum problem once some idiot behind the pick 3 machine stepped on the electric cord and the plug pulled out of the socket.

I'm sure on many instances this happened in other states as well or something similar I've seen You-tube vids of a ball completely flying out of the machine..

It is pretty much an industry standard in all states that use balls to conduct pre tests.

The tests are recorded via a tape for the auditors of the states games. This record is archived.

All the security measures involved in processing the drawings are implemented to thwart tampering. That don't mean some idiot or idiots wouldn't try it.

Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend.
justxploring

Wandering Aimlessly
United States
Member #25,359
November 5, 2005
4,461 Posts
Offline

Dec 1, 2009, 1:43 am

I've always been opposed to pre-tests. Anything can go wrong before or during the drawing. I don't think having pre-tests is a ploy, but I do believe they throw off the randomness of the game. Randomness is supposed to be objective & unpredictable. So, by running tests to make sure the unpredictable doesn't happen, they take away the randomness.
four4me

MD
United States
Member #1,701
June 18, 2003
10,731 Posts
Offline

Dec 1, 2009, 2:05 am

people think it's an unfair disadvantage for them to do pre test. I beg to differ because they change balls and machines for every drawing. The machine that was used for pick 3 might be in a pick 4 spot in position 2 and so on. The balls they used for tomorrows afternoon drawing might be locked in a cabinet and not used for 10 drawings from the midday drawing. pre tests are a part of the security measures.

Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend.
RJOh

100

mid-Ohio
United States
Member #9
March 24, 2001
20,272 Posts
Offline

Dec 1, 2009, 2:34 am

Losers see their numbers come up in one of the pretest drawings and think they might have won if that drawing had been official and the winners are glad the pretest drawings weren't the official drawing.

Odds are if a pick3 player watched 4 or 5 drawings pretest or official and plays 10 lines, all of the numbers in one of his lines are likely to be in one of the drawings 20-30% of the time.

* you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones *

New Topic New Poll

Subscribe to this topic

How many pre-test draws are normal?Prev TopicNext Topic

How many pre-test draws are normal?Prev Topic Next Topic